AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 We're still top of the long ball stats by quite some way like. Are we? I haven't checked, I must admit. Whatever the stats say, there's been a marked improvement in our football recently, and a massive decrease in the amount of hoofs from all over the pitch aimed at noone in particular. This does not take Mike Williamson into account, and he obviously got a rocket up his arse about them at half time against Norwich. Do the stats on long balls differentiate between clearances, set pieces and aimed diagonal or cross field balls? I wonder this too. I've definitely seen a big improvement in our attempts to keep the ball on the deck, yet every game is followed bys us being slagged off on here for hoofing it too much. Which we clearly don't do as much as we have. It's like everyone is waiting to pounce on every long ball, and ignores the rest of the play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Again no one said we are hoofing atm, rather that if we bought Gomis we would be going back to it for the foreseeable future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Pass completion stats are a far better indication of better football than the amount of long passes per game. Hell, Barcelona play as many long balls per game as West Ham do, so it's not a great comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 We're so bad with it on the floor tbh, i can't make my mind up which is more painful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 We're still top of the long ball stats by quite some way like. Are we? I haven't checked, I must admit. Whatever the stats say, there's been a marked improvement in our football recently, and a massive decrease in the amount of hoofs from all over the pitch aimed at noone in particular. This does not take Mike Williamson into account, and he obviously got a rocket up his arse about them at half time against Norwich. Do the stats on long balls differentiate between clearances, set pieces and aimed diagonal or cross field balls? I wonder this too. I've definitely seen a big improvement in our attempts to keep the ball on the deck, yet every game is followed bys us being slagged off on here for hoofing it too much. Which we clearly don't do as much as we have. It's like everyone is waiting to pounce on every long ball, and ignores the rest of the play. It was like the Anita nonsense after the Norwich match - most of his supposed 'hoofs' were 30 yard balls that he was trying to clip in behind the defence for Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 We're still top of the long ball stats by quite some way like. Are we? I haven't checked, I must admit. Whatever the stats say, there's been a marked improvement in our football recently, and a massive decrease in the amount of hoofs from all over the pitch aimed at noone in particular. This does not take Mike Williamson into account, and he obviously got a rocket up his arse about them at half time against Norwich. Do the stats on long balls differentiate between clearances, set pieces and aimed diagonal or cross field balls? We've definitely tried to pass the ball more in the last month or so, we just haven't looked very well drilled at it, and usually resort to hoofing it long again by the second half in most games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 What I would be worried about is Cisse being shoved out on the right Wing again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Swedish international potential successor Douglas at FC Twente Should Douglas this transfer still leave at FC Twente, then the Tukkers his successor already in the picture. Pontus Jansson, 21-year-old defender actively Malmö FF is the name. because Douglas again of attention of Newcastle United Twente Jansson studied recently. The Swedish International reported that self Twente is the only club that the transfer fee, of around 2 million, willing and able to pay. Furthermore, because the Italian club Cagliari, Parma and Torino interest in Jansson. Would Twente see money for Douglas, it will have to sell him this transfer window. The contract shall run from the defender at the end of this season. An interim sales thus belongs to the possibilities. http://soccer4u.nl/nieuws/10781/Zweeds-international-mogelijke-opvolger-Douglas-bij-FC-Twent Would take him for sure. Not French enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 If Gomis can put the ball in the back of the net I couldn't give a flying fuck how we get the ball to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 We're still top of the long ball stats by quite some way like. Are we? I haven't checked, I must admit. Whatever the stats say, there's been a marked improvement in our football recently, and a massive decrease in the amount of hoofs from all over the pitch aimed at noone in particular. This does not take Mike Williamson into account, and he obviously got a rocket up his arse about them at half time against Norwich. Do the stats on long balls differentiate between clearances, set pieces and aimed diagonal or cross field balls? I wonder this too. I've definitely seen a big improvement in our attempts to keep the ball on the deck, yet every game is followed bys us being slagged off on here for hoofing it too much. Which we clearly don't do as much as we have. It's like everyone is waiting to pounce on every long ball, and ignores the rest of the play. It was like the Anita nonsense after the Norwich match - most of his supposed 'hoofs' were 30 yard balls that he was trying to clip in behind the defence for Cisse. Symptomatic of the same fundamental problem with attacking fluidity, movement and build up play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 We're still top of the long ball stats by quite some way like. Are we? I haven't checked, I must admit. Whatever the stats say, there's been a marked improvement in our football recently, and a massive decrease in the amount of hoofs from all over the pitch aimed at noone in particular. This does not take Mike Williamson into account, and he obviously got a rocket up his arse about them at half time against Norwich. Do the stats on long balls differentiate between clearances, set pieces and aimed diagonal or cross field balls? I wonder this too. I've definitely seen a big improvement in our attempts to keep the ball on the deck, yet every game is followed bys us being slagged off on here for hoofing it too much. Which we clearly don't do as much as we have. It's like everyone is waiting to pounce on every long ball, and ignores the rest of the play. It was like the Anita nonsense after the Norwich match - most of his supposed 'hoofs' were 30 yard balls that he was trying to clip in behind the defence for Cisse. Symptomatic of the same fundamental problem with attacking fluidity, movement and build up play. We know a thread about that don't we boys and girls? Tra la la la tra la la la Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I don't disagree that our movement was appalling and has been for a while. But we have clearly made a concerted effort to play the ball on the ground recently and Norwich was no exception to this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 f***ing 'hoofball', man. Has to be the most over used and inaccurate term on here. Our over reliance on long balls disappeared quite some time ago, yet it's still used as a stick to beat the manager with. Would you rather we used that stick or the "still can't win using other tactics" stick? http://www.card-boredbox.com/tinyimages/Carnival_Cruise_Lines_Pinata.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 How is that type of pass from Anita any better? That's the type of pass that Nicky Butt used to love, and they are embarrassingly easy to deal with, that's if they don't go straight out for a goal kick. It's still a very direct game, no matter which words you want to use to dress it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 St Etienne through to the final of the French cup. Aubemayang's price probably just went up. I doubt it, since he hasn't scored in his last 10 games now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Dunno, Williamson seemed to be defying that idea against Norwich, like. I am not sure kicking the ball up the field and out of play most of the time qualifies as long ball. Just utter shit. I know what you mean though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 How is that type of pass from Anita any better? That's the type of pass that Nicky Butt used to love, and they are embarrassingly easy to deal with, that's if they don't go straight out for a goal kick. It's still a very direct game, no matter which words you want to use to dress it up. Playing a ball over the top of the defence from midfield is now deemed to be bad football? What utter tosh. I agree that the margin for error for a ball played over the top that has no angle on it is small but to dismiss it is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Gomis staying at lyon after meeting club directors according to french journo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 If Krul learns to pass his goal kicks, the hoofball would drop dramatically. Every time he punts it long, he's basically gave them the ball for free and it's bloody frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 How is that type of pass from Anita any better? That's the type of pass that Nicky Butt used to love, and they are embarrassingly easy to deal with, that's if they don't go straight out for a goal kick. It's still a very direct game, no matter which words you want to use to dress it up. Playing a ball over the top of the defence from midfield is now deemed to be bad football? What utter tosh. I agree that the margin for error for a ball played over the top that has no angle on it is small but to dismiss it is ridiculous. It's probably the fact we play it even when there isn't a viable or realistic run on. We do tend to sometimes play this ball more out of hope than having any real option over the top. It's more of a bail out than anything, as it's usually due to a lack of options, due to poor movement and availability of players to receive the ball short. It's not as bad as it was a bit earlier on this season, but there is still room for much improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Gomis staying at lyon after meeting club directors according to french journo. Surprising, as it seems it was the directors pushing for a sale, as they need the money. Have they managed to shift anyone else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Going direct at times would be perfectly logical if we actually had the players and/or setup to do so. Long - sorry lofted - balls up to an isolated striker's chest/head are just pointless yet we continue to it over and over again with Pardew often heard bellowing 'GET IT FORWARD!' from the touchline. It's even dafter now we're no longer have Ba's physicality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Going direct at times would be perfectly logical if we actually had the players and/or setup to do so. Long - sorry lofted - balls up to an isolated striker's chest/head are just pointless yet we continue to it over and over again with Pardew often heard bellowing 'GET IT FORWARD!' from the touchline. It's even dafter now we're no longer have Ba's physicality. Pardew is such a throwback nature has forgotten to throw-him-back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Anyway, it'd be nice if we signed a striker. Where are we with that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Anyway, it'd be nice if we signed a striker. Where are we with that? Trying to work out whether we need a target man or a wide forward. Which is how we ended up talking about hoofball and managers again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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