Sean Longstaff

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2 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

We also gave up on players like Krafth and Lascelles as squad players, blasted them if they were rusty when given the chance, but when injuries struck and they got gametime it didn't take that long until they started playing pretty well with a run of games. We have a history on completely giving up on players only for this exact scenario to happen. I think you are really overexaggerating about Longstaff. He's not great, but he's not completely shit either.

Truly think he has been lately. 

Hard for me defend other peoples viewpoints, but i have never thought Krafth and Lascelles were that bad.

[Erikse]

18 minutes ago, Displayname said:

Truly think he has been lately. 

Hard for me defend other peoples viewpoints, but i have never thought Krafth and Lascelles were that bad.

 

I think most players will look bad when barely playing at all. Even Tonali looked mediocre until he got a couple of starts in a row. If Murphy had been an impact sub this season, I'm confident that we would have classed him as a Championship player right now.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 16:54 by Erikse

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1 minute ago, Erikse said:

 

I think most players will look bad when barely playing at all. Even Tonali looked mediocre until he got a couple of starts in a row. If Murphy had been an impact sub this season, I'm confident that we would have seen him as a Championship player right now.

Maybe most will, not sure about that. But there certainly are those who dont need gametime to look ok, and those are the ones we need to get as squad players.

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I mean even Eddie who loves the guy has only used him for 75mins in total the last 20 PL games. 

[Erikse]

15 minutes ago, Displayname said:

I mean even Eddie who loves the guy has only used him for 75mins in total the last 20 PL games. 

 

Which is completely in line with my comments about role, as Tonali has been fit through that period. If Tonali got injured instead of Joelinton, do you think Miley or Willock would have taken that role? I don't. I think the only reason he preferred Willock despite him not doing much either is solely because of position and complementing Bruno and Tonali. Why are we completely disregarding role as a factor, and think Howes squad selection is all about what players he likes the most? Everyone should know that this is not how managers picks the team.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 17:20 by Erikse

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7 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Which is completely in line with my comments about role, as Tonali has been fit through that period. If Tonali got injured instead of Joelinton, do you think Miley or Willock would have taken that role? I don't. I think the only reason he preferred Willock despite him not doing much either is solely because of position and complementing Bruno and Tonali. Why are we completely disregarding role as a factor, and think Howes squad selection is all about what players he likes the most? Everyone should know that this is not how managers picks the team.

 

 

 

Longstaff doesnt have the same role as Tonali though??

[Erikse]

6 minutes ago, Displayname said:

Longstaff doesnt have the same role as Tonali though??

 

Position, whatever you want to call it. Bruno - Joelinton - Willock has never worked that well. I'd assume the same would be the case with Miley over Willock in that midfield. As such Howe has preferred Longstaff alongside Bruno as Longstaff can cover more room. Tonali was a direct replacement to Longstaff in the team.

 

By the way. It's interesting that you talk about how useless Longstaff has been when playing lately, when you yourself points out that he has played 75 min in the last 20 games. Does that mean that your opinion about him as a backup as of late is based on those 75 minutes?

 

 

Edited Sunday at 17:33 by Erikse

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2 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Position, whatever you want to call it. Bruno - Joelinton - Willock has never worked that well. I'd assume the same would be the case with Miley over Willock in that midfield. As such Howe has preferred Longstaff alongside Bruno as Longstaff can cover more room. Tonali was a direct replacement to Longstaff in the team.

 

By the way. It's interesting that you talk about how useless Longstaff has been when playing lately, when you yourself points out that he has played 75 min in the last 20 games. Does that mean that your opinion about him as a backup as of late is based on those 75 minutes?

 

 

 

Role/position whatever you call it, Tonali's isnt the same as Longstaff's. Tonali plays as a number 6 and Longstaff is a box to box. No reason that those two roles cant be on the pitch at the same time. 

 

He also played the full FA cup matches vs lower league opponents. But sure, "lately" could have been replaced with last time ive seen him.

Cant remember him being good for a long long time.

[Erikse]

9 minutes ago, Displayname said:

Role/position whatever you call it, Tonali's isnt the same as Longstaff's. Tonali plays as a number 6 and Longstaff is a box to box. No reason that those two roles cant be on the pitch at the same time. 

 

He also played the full FA cup matches vs lower league opponents. But sure, "lately" could have been replaced with last time ive seen him.

Cant remember him being good for a long long time.

 

If Tonali gets injured, Bruno plays nr. 6 and Longstaff most likely comes in for Tonali imo. This is literally how we set our team up for most games before Tonali came in. Longstaff was never going to come in for Joelinton when he got injured, because the balance was better with Miley/Willock alongside Bruno and Tonali. That can obviously change when a different player gets injured instead.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 17:53 by Erikse

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8 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

If Tonali gets injured, Bruno plays nr. 6 and Longstaff most likely comes in for Tonali imo. This is literally how we set our team up for most games before Tonali came in. Longstaff was never going to come in for Joelinton when he got injured, because the balance was better with Miley/Willock alongside Bruno and Tonali. That can obviously change when a different player gets injured instead.

 

 

 

This is going to be my last post in this boring discussion back and forth. But we can atleast agree on the balance being better without Longstaff, just not the reason why

[Erikse]

9 minutes ago, Displayname said:

This is going to be my last post in this boring discussion back and forth. But we can atleast agree on the balance being better without Longstaff, just not the reason why

 

As mentioned earlier I wouldn't really care if we sold him. I just think it's more likely that we will keep him than what people think. Especially if he doesn't push for a transfer. It's more about discussing likelyhood than a wish from my side. That's all. I agree that he probably wants to leave, though, so all of this probably won't matter anyways.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 18:11 by Erikse