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Aye, this being my main gripe about Allardyce. As well as him being a small club manager and arrogant with it.

Still think we should sign this "reformed character", do you mate?

Although unsual, you are correct. :sick bag: There's no way Martins is anything other than a goalscorer in my opinion. That's not to say him and Owen can't play togther (although I have my doubts) as two goalscorers can play together and do well. They could be a bit similar though. I see Martins as an instinctive striker but he's lacking both the touch and the vision to be a support striker from what I've seen. But you can't possibly have seen enough of him to make that judgement because of the s**** around him, like Duff and Parka. Plus he's had nobody to support. Perhaps if we had a better LB? A quality left back would actually improve us in attack aswell as defence but its no suprise you fail to see this. Yes that LB would have got us so many points this season, cant see why i havent seen that before! Much more than a creative mid or another attacker. So a quality left back wouldn't have improved us this season? Did you watch the AZ game? I thought you blamed Roeder for the AZ game. Make your mind up Jon, more positions than a woman (that shouldnt surprise me tbh). Your question is leading, the answer is yes. How many extra points do you reckon a LB (not as good as Bridge) would have got us this season? Well Roeder is the manager who deals with the transfers and picks the team. Surely he is at the end of the day at fault for us not having a quality left back and putting Huntington out there which cost us the game. How is that me changing my mind? Really is it THAT hard? So now its Hunty's fault or the fault of not getting another LB. Not the tactical ineptity that you went on about on here the next day. Dont make me quote you... Quote me if you like because you are talking s***. We lost the game because we sat back (s*** decision by Roeder) and the fact that we didn't have a quality left back we got exposed and lost the game. Can you not see further than "its either Roeder OR...." ? I had you done as someone who is more intelligent. Are you getting wound up you big girls blouse? So how come the LB problem wasnt evident in the first leg? Plus if you are going to be arsey, can you answer my question about how many extra points this sub-Bridge LB would have got us??? You slated Roeder after the AZ game and you know it. I slated Roeder AND the fact we didn't have a quality left back hence we got raped down that side. You can go and find it if you wish. The left back problem wasn't evident in the first leg because we didn't decide to sit back and get a 0-0, doesn't excuse the fact that we are lacking at left back. Well as no-one can actually realistically say how many points we would have gotten (hence it being a stupid question) I will guess we would have won the leg by at least 16 points. The manager got it wrong, he would still have got it wrong even if we had a better LB. The entire TEAM played shit.

Although unsual, you are correct. :sick bag: There's no way Martins is anything other than a goalscorer in my opinion. That's not to say him and Owen can't play togther (although I have my doubts) as two goalscorers can play together and do well. They could be a bit similar though. I see Martins as an instinctive striker but he's lacking both the touch and the vision to be a support striker from what I've seen. But you can't possibly have seen enough of him to make that judgement because of the s**** around him, like Duff and Parka. Plus he's had nobody to support. Perhaps if we had a better LB? A quality left back would actually improve us in attack aswell as defence but its no suprise you fail to see this. Yes that LB would have got us so many points this season, cant see why i havent seen that before! Much more than a creative mid or another attacker. So a quality left back wouldn't have improved us this season? Did you watch the AZ game? I thought you blamed Roeder for the AZ game. Make your mind up Jon, more positions than a woman (that shouldnt surprise me tbh). Your question is leading, the answer is yes. How many extra points do you reckon a LB (not as good as Bridge) would have got us this season? Well Roeder is the manager who deals with the transfers and picks the team. Surely he is at the end of the day at fault for us not having a quality left back and putting Huntington out there which cost us the game. How is that me changing my mind? Really is it THAT hard? No, it's nothing to do with the team playing shit on the day, or as an individual Huntington being found out as a young player being used out of position due to an injury crisis. It's actually Fred's fault for appointing Roeder in the first place. What a shame we appointed Roeder and qualified for Europe rather than getting relegated under Souness. We wouldn't have been stuffed by AZ then.

f*** me that is really stupid. So we havent missed Owen and Ameobi, just the signing of a LB? Jesus wept. I thought he was being sarcastic until I saw his next post but it looks like he believes it. Thought I'd add that nobody said we needed another winger, a striker and a creative CM should come before a LB. We already had Duff and Zog, so why would we need another winger when it was sorted by having a good quality experienced player and a young lad with a lot of potential.

Although unsual, you are correct. :sick bag: There's no way Martins is anything other than a goalscorer in my opinion. That's not to say him and Owen can't play togther (although I have my doubts) as two goalscorers can play together and do well. They could be a bit similar though. I see Martins as an instinctive striker but he's lacking both the touch and the vision to be a support striker from what I've seen. But you can't possibly have seen enough of him to make that judgement because of the s**** around him, like Duff and Parka. Plus he's had nobody to support. Perhaps if we had a better LB? A quality left back would actually improve us in attack aswell as defence but its no suprise you fail to see this. Can't imagine what makes you think I don't see this, especially as I'm always thinking of the TEAM rather than your limited approach of the INDIVIDUAL. Point out this "limited approach" go on give me an example? In regards to Martins I would also like someone to show me where I said he was one? I said it was maybe a bit harsh to judge this season given the fact he hasn't had anyone to support and thats about it. But then HTL does his usual "you said x, y and z" and suddenly I have called the lad the next Beardsley! Your insistence that LB should be the top priority despite the goals scored column is a cracking example. You don't like Babayaro and see him as a weak link so you believe a LB should be number 1 on the shopping list. Well, you're wrong, imo. There are weaker areas of the team that need to be addressed first. Now give me an example of this x, y and z that you're going on about, as you try to worm your way out of yet another mess you've got yourself into by posting nonsense. Who said that you said that Martins was Beardsley? Nobody said that. Are you making something up again, pet?

Although unsual, you are correct. :sick bag: There's no way Martins is anything other than a goalscorer in my opinion. That's not to say him and Owen can't play togther (although I have my doubts) as two goalscorers can play together and do well. They could be a bit similar though. I see Martins as an instinctive striker but he's lacking both the touch and the vision to be a support striker from what I've seen. But you can't possibly have seen enough of him to make that judgement because of the s**** around him, like Duff and Parka. Plus he's had nobody to support. Perhaps if we had a better LB? A quality left back would actually improve us in attack aswell as defence but its no suprise you fail to see this. Can't imagine what makes you think I don't see this, especially as I'm always thinking of the TEAM rather than your limited approach of the INDIVIDUAL.

Mentioning pace gets me back to an old worry....Parka and his fucking ballerina act. Let's put Dyer, Owen, Martins and Zog all in the same team and with Parker in the centre what's the betting for a LOT of offsides.

Although unsual, you are correct. :sick bag: There's no way Martins is anything other than a goalscorer in my opinion. That's not to say him and Owen can't play togther (although I have my doubts) as two goalscorers can play together and do well. They could be a bit similar though. I see Martins as an instinctive striker but he's lacking both the touch and the vision to be a support striker from what I've seen. But you can't possibly have seen enough of him to make that judgement because of the s**** around him, like Duff and Parka. Plus he's had nobody to support. Perhaps if we had a better LB?

To be fair to Dave one is a gag and one isn't Quite ironic you telling people not to whinge like a 5 year old aswell What's an aswell?

Although unsual, you are correct. :sick bag:

The "auld b****** living in the past" gag. You missed that one though, Dave.

No he's not. He's just been forced into that role this season because there's no one else. You can see that from his play inside the box, it's virtually non-existant half the time. His movement is poor. He isn't the goalscoring predator that you describe - that Owen is. Hopefully the goalscoring burden will be lifted off him when Owen returns. Ok, so if he's not an out and out goalscorer let's judge him purely as a supporting striker. In the role of supporting striker he's nowhere near as good as Bellamy regardless of whether or not he can "fill in" as an outright goalscorer better than Bellamy. Although his touch has been suspect at times we can't really judge Martins on being a support striker as he hasn't had a striker to support! You can still use your brain, can't you? Haven't you heard of players being moved to another position because they show certain attributes? I'm not posting here to criticise Martins, I think he's a good player and without his goals this season we'd be down. I think he is going to turn into more of a outright goalscorer than a supporting striker because his general play outside of the penalty area just isn't that great. He's static, his control is dodgy to say the least and he doesn't have much vision for a pass. However, his shooting power and movement in the 18 yard box is good, so is his desire to get into the right positions in the 18 yard box. I think that's where his strength is and it makes him completely different to Bellamy. Hence, it is a stupid comparison. Bellamy is a completely differerent type of player to both Owen and Martins and I think he could complement either of those players. Bringing Bellamy back here should be a no-brainer for anyone who wants to see the team improve. I don't think Martins will ever be as good as Bellamy in regards to being the creative striker but until he is actually partnered with someone who he can realistically create for we can't judge for certain. His movement and positioning suggest he is more of a deeper striker though, his natural position seems to be holding around the edge of the 18 yard waiting for something to drop rather than finidng the space inside the box. As the moment its hard to tell exactly what type of striker he is because half the time he is having to do both jobs! Dear me. Do you think a "supporting striker" (as commonly labelled) is there only to support one other player? It is a team game, this is just one player with a role in the team that will have an impact on the team, not just one other player. Not being funny, but do you know anything at all about the game of football and the idea of a team? Sorry you are correct he has had the immense Damian Duff and attacking maestro that is Scott Parker to supply. Your football knowledge is so far in the past you think a full back is a refund, a striker is something you use to light a match and a defensive midfielder is the shify looking bloke with something to hide so I wouldn't go questioning other peoples knowledge of modern football. Don't try to get off the dole by looking for a job in comedy. It is entirely possible to spot the attributes of a player and make a judgement (an opinion) of a player even with the problems we've had this season. I'm not saying I'm right. In fact, I never say I'm right, so there goes another myth. I have an opinion and that is all, anybody can question that opinion and I am also entitled to question yours. If you don't like that, don't post on the open forum or stop moaning on like a 5 year old when someone disagrees with you. My opinion is that Martins and Bellamy are totally different types of player, which is why I also hold the opinion that comparing them is daft. I've seen enough from Martins to believe he can play in and around the edge of the 18 yard area and score goals due to his attributes. I don't think he is anything like what is commonly understood to be a supporting striker like Craig Bellamy, who stretches defences with pace and penetrating runs that create space for others. Martins also doesn't have the attributes of a second striker such as a Peter Beardsley or Teddy Sheringham type, who open defences up with penetrating paces due to their vision and technical ability. Fair enough that you think Martins can do these things if Duff and Parka aren't in the team. I don't.

Yes, I agree.

Allardyce has been there 8 years and his net spend is less than what we paid for Babayaro! What has he ever won? What did Shearer win in his career? Did it equal his ability as a player? He won the Premiership Title with Blackburn. Is the correct answer. mackems.gif

No he's not. He's just been forced into that role this season because there's no one else. You can see that from his play inside the box, it's virtually non-existant half the time. His movement is poor. He isn't the goalscoring predator that you describe - that Owen is. Hopefully the goalscoring burden will be lifted off him when Owen returns. Ok, so if he's not an out and out goalscorer let's judge him purely as a supporting striker. In the role of supporting striker he's nowhere near as good as Bellamy regardless of whether or not he can "fill in" as an outright goalscorer better than Bellamy. Although his touch has been suspect at times we can't really judge Martins on being a support striker as he hasn't had a striker to support! You can still use your brain, can't you? Haven't you heard of players being moved to another position because they show certain attributes? I'm not posting here to criticise Martins, I think he's a good player and without his goals this season we'd be down. I think he is going to turn into more of a outright goalscorer than a supporting striker because his general play outside of the penalty area just isn't that great. He's static, his control is dodgy to say the least and he doesn't have much vision for a pass. However, his shooting power and movement in the 18 yard box is good, so is his desire to get into the right positions in the 18 yard box. I think that's where his strength is and it makes him completely different to Bellamy. Hence, it is a stupid comparison. Bellamy is a completely differerent type of player to both Owen and Martins and I think he could complement either of those players. Bringing Bellamy back here should be a no-brainer for anyone who wants to see the team improve. I don't think Martins will ever be as good as Bellamy in regards to being the creative striker but until he is actually partnered with someone who he can realistically create for we can't judge for certain. His movement and positioning suggest he is more of a deeper striker though, his natural position seems to be holding around the edge of the 18 yard waiting for something to drop rather than finidng the space inside the box. As the moment its hard to tell exactly what type of striker he is because half the time he is having to do both jobs! Dear me. Do you think a "supporting striker" (as commonly labelled) is there only to support one other player? It is a team game, this is just one player with a role in the team that will have an impact on the team, not just one other player. Not being funny, but do you know anything at all about the game of football and the idea of a team?

Good post. Very good post. I'd have done the same under point #2, mind.

Don't expect that fact to sink in with the majority on this forum.

:yawn: If the right man was available (and wanted to come to Newcastle) I'd expect Fred to shift Roeder and go and appoint that man. Unfortunately, that "right man" isn't available, at least if he is that information isn't known to the general public.

No he's not. He's just been forced into that role this season because there's no one else. You can see that from his play inside the box, it's virtually non-existant half the time. His movement is poor. He isn't the goalscoring predator that you describe - that Owen is. Hopefully the goalscoring burden will be lifted off him when Owen returns. Ok, so if he's not an out and out goalscorer let's judge him purely as a supporting striker. In the role of supporting striker he's nowhere near as good as Bellamy regardless of whether or not he can "fill in" as an outright goalscorer better than Bellamy. Although his touch has been suspect at times we can't really judge Martins on being a support striker as he hasn't had a striker to support! You can still use your brain, can't you? Haven't you heard of players being moved to another position because they show certain attributes? I'm not posting here to criticise Martins, I think he's a good player and without his goals this season we'd be down. I think he is going to turn into more of a outright goalscorer than a supporting striker because his general play outside of the penalty area just isn't that great. He's static, his control is dodgy to say the least and he doesn't have much vision for a pass. However, his shooting power and movement in the 18 yard box is good, so is his desire to get into the right positions in the 18 yard box. I think that's where his strength is and it makes him completely different to Bellamy. Hence, it is a stupid comparison. Bellamy is a completely differerent type of player to both Owen and Martins and I think he could complement either of those players. Bringing Bellamy back here should be a no-brainer for anyone who wants to see the team improve.

No problem, mate.

Wot's one of those meta thingys?

No he's not. He's just been forced into that role this season because there's no one else. You can see that from his play inside the box, it's virtually non-existant half the time. His movement is poor. He isn't the goalscoring predator that you describe - that Owen is. Hopefully the goalscoring burden will be lifted off him when Owen returns. Ok, so if he's not an out and out goalscorer let's judge him purely as a supporting striker. In the role of supporting striker he's nowhere near as good as Bellamy regardless of whether or not he can "fill in" as an outright goalscorer better than Bellamy.