Howaythelads

Just letting you know what it's like reading your tripe EVERY day.

So if he replaces Roeder, is backed fully by the Board and fails, will he be yet another s*** appointment by Fred? Could we not ask the same hypothetical question if we appointed Hiddink or Hitzfeld? Errr.....why not? The answer is obvious, of course you can so I'm not sure why you asked. Allright then.. Answer this and you will have answered your own question: "So if Hiddink replaces Roeder, is backed fully by the Board and fails, will he be yet another s*** appointment by Fred?" Wtf are you on about? Why don't you just post your point and be done with it?

So if he replaces Roeder, is backed fully by the Board and fails, will he be yet another s*** appointment by Fred? Of course not. The other managers (apart from Roeder) appointed by Fat "pie eater" Fred have had superior track records to Allardyce. Why were they s*** appointments? You have been looking for an argument since you got on, not going to give you one today I am afraid. Bollocks, tbh. It's a valid question in the context of what we're talking about. Fred gets slated as shit, it's been more than insinuated in this thread that the problem is really at Board level so i want to know what you and others who want Allardyce will think of the Board if this man is appointed. Especially if he is backed and fails. BTW I'd sooner you "gave one" to one of your "chums". I'm accounted for.

So if he replaces Roeder, is backed fully by the Board and fails, will he be yet another s*** appointment by Fred? Could we not ask the same hypothetical question if we appointed Hiddink or Hitzfeld? Errr.....why not? The answer is obvious, of course you can so I'm not sure why you asked.

So if he replaces Roeder, is backed fully by the Board and fails, will he be yet another s*** appointment by Fred? Of course not. The other managers (apart from Roeder) appointed by Fat "pie eater" Fred have had superior track records to Allardyce. Why were they shit appointments?

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So if he replaces Roeder, is backed fully by the Board and fails, will he be yet another shit appointment by Fred?

Because prematurely sacking Managers is how we are in the situation we are in. No c*** worth having will touch us. Every time we appoint a new Manager it costs us Millions, not just in payoffs and compensation for new Managers, but when they want to build their teams. Like previously and as stated countless times, the only time we shouldnt back Roeder is if we can get someone in, significantly better, Allardyce is not that man. Changing for changes sake may keep the boo boys happy, but its worsening the position we're in. No, you're wrong there despite agreeing with a lot of what you say. We're where we are now mostly because Souness was the wrong man to replace Robson, if he'd been the right man we'd be doing ok now. It is the manager that matters, the timing of replacing the manager is largely secondary but if you want to point to timing I've often said Robson should have gone sooner. He didn't go too early, he went too late.

The stats seem to think the defence has been fine, its scoring goals that are the problem. But as ever, look for a reason and you'll find it Nice dodge on the question by the way :-[ At last!!! Someone else who can see what's been obvious all bloody season long. it's a fair point, there have been a number games this season where we've played ok/well/good but not put the ball in the net, conceded then collapsed like a pack of cards wigan away in particular springs to mind if michael owen had played 15-20 games with martins the season would have had a totally different look about it, believe me Aye. That's what I said and I've been saying for ages now that what we really need is another quality striker. We need both. [/b]Defenders to defend well, as well as a striker to put the ball in the back of the net. Difference is that weve already cashed our chips in on the frontline - 10mill on Martins, 17mill on Owen, with the likes of Ameobi, Luque, Dyer, Carroll, Duff, as backup. What has been the outlay on the defence? Practically nowt. Result? Shiite defenders simply not good enough for us regularly getting into the team. Theyve been as costly to us as the failure to partner Martins with someone half decent this season. See the bit in bold and big letters? That's what I said ages ago. We need players in many areas of the team. You got there in the end, not that I give a shit.

The stats seem to think the defence has been fine, its scoring goals that are the problem. But as ever, look for a reason and you'll find it Nice dodge on the question by the way :-[ At last!!! Someone else who can see what's been obvious all bloody season long. it's a fair point, there have been a number games this season where we've played ok/well/good but not put the ball in the net, conceded then collapsed like a pack of cards wigan away in particular springs to mind if michael owen had played 15-20 games with martins the season would have had a totally different look about it, believe me Surely it's just as easy to speculate that with a half-decent defence we'd be doing much better too? We got as far as we did in the Waffa Cup with the striking options now, with a better defence could we have won it? Look at the league table, Dave. The problem all season has been a lack of creativity and a lack of goals. I watched the 3-1 win away to Arsenal the other day when I was copying my video to a DVD, are you telling me the likes of Hughes, O'Brien, Dabizas and Elliott were fantastic defenders? We conceded 52 goals that season but we scored 74! Look at the league table for 0102, look at the goals scored and goals against and compare it with now. Here are a few anyway. Note the jump from 11th to 4th despite conceding 2 more goals, we scored 30 bloody more that season. Yes, you need a good defence but there's more to not conceding goals than the 4 individuals at the back. It's a team thing and it rests on how you play, how you retain possession, how to force the pace and make the other team play as a result of your own play. We do crap at that because we have very little creativity and very little attacking threat of our own. We've only scored 37 bloody goals. 00-01 F44 A50 Pos 11th 01-02 F74 A52 Pos 4th 02-03 F63 A48 Pos 3rd 03-04 F52 A40 Pos 5th 04-05 F47 A50 Pos 14th 05-06 F47 A42 Pos 7th 06-08 F37 A43 Arthur Cox said it as long ago as the 80's, don't lose sight of the importance of attacking play because you'll turn to s*** and you'll empty the ground.

Hilarious the way you use the "availability" word when babbling on about Martins but conveniently forget that it applies equally to all possible transfers. Bit of a difference between players like Martins and Duff whose clubs have agreed to sell them and actually buying a player whose current club want to keep. Not suprised you fail to see this though. At least the words make some kind of sense from an English language perspective, unlike some other posts of yours that come across as though you've just knocked back 10 pints of beer, or something. Anyway, you're right, I don't have the foggiest idea what it is you're on about in your post above, but I'll take a stab. It sounds to me as though you're suggesting a player is only "available"when they are transfer listed. Is that what you're saying? I believe the point he is trying to make is that we only seem to get players who are basically transfer listed and never actually manage to get anyone who their club is looking to keep. Which is of course something the facts will show to be total and complete bollocks, unless a couple of signings made last summer is as far back as his (and maybe your own) memory can go? erm... http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8743/roederci8.jpg you'll have to enlighten me tbh Show my post to your mam then ask her to explain why your post misses the point and therefore looks stupid. I think you're going to take some enlightening, so this is going to be my only attempt.

The stats seem to think the defence has been fine, its scoring goals that are the problem. But as ever, look for a reason and you'll find it Nice dodge on the question by the way :-[ At last!!! Someone else who can see what's been obvious all bloody season long. it's a fair point, there have been a number games this season where we've played ok/well/good but not put the ball in the net, conceded then collapsed like a pack of cards wigan away in particular springs to mind if michael owen had played 15-20 games with martins the season would have had a totally different look about it, believe me Aye. That's what I said and I've been saying for ages now that what we really need is another quality striker.

Hilarious the way you use the "availability" word when babbling on about Martins but conveniently forget that it applies equally to all possible transfers. Bit of a difference between players like Martins and Duff whose clubs have agreed to sell them and actually buying a player whose current club want to keep. Not suprised you fail to see this though. At least the words make some kind of sense from an English language perspective, unlike some other posts of yours that come across as though you've just knocked back 10 pints of beer, or something. Anyway, you're right, I don't have the foggiest idea what it is you're on about in your post above, but I'll take a stab. It sounds to me as though you're suggesting a player is only "available"when they are transfer listed. Is that what you're saying? I do love the way you throw in a dig at someone when you are struggling to understand things. There is quite a difference between signing a player that has been allowed to leave a club and having to work to bring in a player a club doesn't really want to go or other clubs are trying to get. So far Roeder seems to have failed in getting players that other clubs are seriously interested in (Huth, Woodgate, Kuyt...) or that the clubs don't want to let go (Knight, Davies, Babel, French striker we tried to sign at the end of the last transfer window...). But I thought according to you not siigning the players you wanted was all down to that bastard Fat Fred The Pie Eater? But no, now it's down to Roeder. Fact is, you don't know a thing about the background to any of these so-called transfer targets. Not a thing. Neither does anybody on this forum, but you just want to moan on and on and on. If you're going to slag the manager do it based on facts, solid facts, not wild speculation published by the mainly lying bastards in the media, who will write whatever it takes to sell their shitty rag whichever one it may be. Yes, a manager can be judged on his transfer dealings but that is in respect to how it turns out on the field of play because what happens on the field of play will be as a result of his entire managerial performance.

Hilarious the way you use the "availability" word when babbling on about Martins but conveniently forget that it applies equally to all possible transfers. Bit of a difference between players like Martins and Duff whose clubs have agreed to sell them and actually buying a player whose current club want to keep. Not suprised you fail to see this though. At least the words make some kind of sense from an English language perspective, unlike some other posts of yours that come across as though you've just knocked back 10 pints of beer, or something. Anyway, you're right, I don't have the foggiest idea what it is you're on about in your post above, but I'll take a stab. It sounds to me as though you're suggesting a player is only "available"when they are transfer listed. Is that what you're saying? I believe the point he is trying to make is that we only seem to get players who are basically transfer listed and never actually manage to get anyone who their club is looking to keep. Which is of course something the facts will show to be total and complete bollocks, unless a couple of signings made last summer is as far back as his (and maybe your own) memory can go?

The stats seem to think the defence has been fine, its scoring goals that are the problem. But as ever, look for a reason and you'll find it Nice dodge on the question by the way :-[ At last!!! Someone else who can see what's been obvious all bloody season long.

I am unhappy we spent £5m on a left winger when the defence desperately needed attention first and N'Zogbia has basically been pushed out in part due to the transfer. Copy and paste alert!!!!

Hilarious the way you use the "availability" word when babbling on about Martins but conveniently forget that it applies equally to all possible transfers. Bit of a difference between players like Martins and Duff whose clubs have agreed to sell them and actually buying a player whose current club want to keep. Not suprised you fail to see this though. At least the words make some kind of sense from an English language perspective, unlike some other posts of yours that come across as though you've just knocked back 10 pints of beer, or something. Anyway, you're right, I don't have the foggiest idea what it is you're on about in your post above, but I'll take a stab. It sounds to me as though you're suggesting a player is only "available"when they are transfer listed. Is that what you're saying?

Why should i need to watch him at st james park to know how good he is? Have you ever heard of that thing called TV? I watched him live in 99 when England played Bulgaria in a European qualification Judging by your nickname i guess in 99 instead of watching the game you were playing with your LEGO... Its irrelevant if you watched some players live or not to decide how good they are. You can't see how well a player is positioned on TV until the ball comes near him, you also don't see what they do off screen. Two important parts of being a defender is your poisitional awareness at all times and how you manage those around you. Once again you come across as an clueless fool. Agree with you points but are you telling me that if i havent watched some player live i cant decide if he is good enough? Because thats the whole point of this argument In the case of defenders, no you can't. Respect your opinion but i dont agree This is fucking great stuff.

Hilarious the way you use the "availability" word when babbling on about Martins but conveniently forget that it applies equally to all possible transfers.

personally i think the way he's operating in the transfer market is to the benefit of the club as a whole - no manager has a 100% success record in transfers do they? so far martins has been very good, sib has exceeded expectations and duff has been a disappointment (but is hardly to be written off at age 27) rossi should have been used more (but then he was tied for quite a few games), bernard was/is a joke and gooch has not been as good as we'd hoped all in all the 6 players he's brought in haven't damaged us too much have they? he hasn't panic bought a 9.5m player yet has he? i have to believe that roeder, and the club, have learned from their mistakes to this point and will take steps to rectify them this summer.... the alternative as i see it is another season of a new manager coming in and "assessing" the players we all know need to leave before then not being given the chance to change things round if roeder doesn't act this summer then he's pulling the trigger on himself, simple as that.... Jesus. You WANT to let him bring more players like f****** Gooch into the club?? you TRUST a man who automatically plays Carr??? Roeder has been woeful, he'll learn f*** all because he thinks he was right, and he'll drag us down. I'm more worried that he continually picks Parker. You won't leave it will you. Well, that's because I am REALLY worried about it. I'd select Carr at fullback ahead of Parker in midfield, for example. I'd select Ameobi up front as a striker ahead of Parker in midfield as another example. Both of these players are slated but both do better at their role than Parker does at his. In my opinion Parker has a negative impact on the entire team play and it really pisses me off that Roeder picks him every time he's fit. The thought he may even want to build a team around such a s*** player is mind numbing. I don't think Roeder is very good, but I don't think "just anybody" would do a better job and the circumstances have to be taken into account. As I've said before, a so-called "top" manager will expect and demand a certain level of financial backing in the transfer market, backing that the present Board has always given imo, just looking at the money spent will tell you that. However, it could well be that sufficient cash is just not there following the Souness debacle, I suspect it is going to take another a couple of years to get over the money wasted by that clown on the likes of Parker, Emre, Boumsong, Luque etc. We need to consolidate first ( I think we're doing that now ) and then show we are moving forward next season so that when the financial clout is there the club can attract a better quality manager at that time. After saying that, if the right level of cash is there right now I'd get rid of Roeder and bring a better man in. Who that is, I don't know, but I don't like Allardyce, that's for sure. He's hyped up in the same way O'Neill is hyped, both of whom have a track record no better than Souness. Neither would be the right man imo.

personally i think the way he's operating in the transfer market is to the benefit of the club as a whole - no manager has a 100% success record in transfers do they? so far martins has been very good, sib has exceeded expectations and duff has been a disappointment (but is hardly to be written off at age 27) rossi should have been used more (but then he was tied for quite a few games), bernard was/is a joke and gooch has not been as good as we'd hoped all in all the 6 players he's brought in haven't damaged us too much have they? he hasn't panic bought a 9.5m player yet has he? i have to believe that roeder, and the club, have learned from their mistakes to this point and will take steps to rectify them this summer.... the alternative as i see it is another season of a new manager coming in and "assessing" the players we all know need to leave before then not being given the chance to change things round if roeder doesn't act this summer then he's pulling the trigger on himself, simple as that.... Jesus. You WANT to let him bring more players like f****** Gooch into the club?? you TRUST a man who automatically plays Carr??? Roeder has been woeful, he'll learn f*** all because he thinks he was right, and he'll drag us down. I'm more worried that he continually picks Parker.

He'll sign the players he wants to sign from those available who want to move to Newcastle and who the club can afford in the present situation. I've no doubt he'll fail in your eyes though because he probably won't sign who you want him to sign.

I agree with you that Emre isn't good enough for where we want to be. While you're wondering what people see in Emre I'm wondering why, since you've spotted that with Emre, you seem unable to spot that Parker is a load of s****. I think Mr Parker will be back, but he needs time after that illnes he had. And Roeder should put him in special training, so I wouldnt write Parker off just yet. And maybe run some tactical training on him, because he has the abilities, but he doesnt seem like a smart enough player. And for god sake, we should only use him as a Def midfield. And he should be our captain, because he doesnt speak enough to the players. So I think Parker has the potenial to be a top 4 club player, but he isnt there today. We are desperat for a new manager, someone who can manage the players, motivate them, and also has great tactical knowledge. Ok, your opinion. Mine is that other than 1 good season at Charlton he's never been anywhere decent to come back from. Yes that is my opinion, and I will stick with it But I was just wodering about your opinion, what is so wrong with parker? He started out good for us under souness imo, but after that illnes he got, he hasnt been the same after. But that is my opinion, dont know if you share that one. No problem. Where I stand is that Parker has had one good season at Charlton. I don't agree he was good for us under Souness, he's had the odd good game and that's all. Other players have the odd good game, it doesn't mean they're good enough for where we should be aiming.

We could have stuck by Daglish or even SBR who had credentials, we didnt, totally irrelevant. What we dont need is another change for change sake and someone of a similar ilk, Roeder finished above Allardyce last season, why cant he do it again next season if he is backed and he doesnt have an injury list as long as the list of petulant, pessimistc, doom-mongering, whinging, feet stamping whingers on here? Do you think there isn't a reason no fucker decent wants this job? You get 12 Months to win something or you're f*****. Anyway, I've resigned myself to Shearer being Freds last throw of the dice, if and when he's ready. This reminds me of when Joe Kinnear was Manager of the Year with Wimbledon......... Great point in bold there.