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Very disappointed to see Emre waving for the card like that, hope Roeder's had a word with him about it.

Didnt see him spit or abuse or anything of the sort, in fact he apologised to the Everton players shortly afterwards the incident so fair play to him for that.

Cant believe 5 people voted for Lehmann, he's very average imo.

I'd say:

Given

Cech

Van der Sar

Aye, Ive been a bit disappointed with the Zog so far this season. Did very well towards the end of last season, that goal at the stadim of shite was brilliant.

But this season its as if he hits an invisible wall everytime he tries to run at people. Unfortunate he's injured, but once he returns I hope he's sorted himself out in more ways than one.

In the big games Lehmann was excellent last year.

 

But consistently Given was better and I'm sure he had a lot more to deal with as Newcastle 'keeper than Lehmann did.

 

My mate's a gooner and he's been wanting them to sign Given for years. Not surprising given the blinders he's played against them, this season being yet another example.

 

I wouldn't swap Given for any goalkeeper, simply because I believe he's world class and is well established here.

He does play very well against Arsenal. That amazing save from Henry last season, and then that game in the 04-05 season where he single handedly kept them out. And I can remember that fanstastic save from the head to keep out a dodgy Bramble clearance a few seasons ago.

No wonder they were linked with him before he extended his contract this year, was immensely relieved after he signed it because I was sure a big club would come in for him soon.

I would always start Parker ahead of Butt. He does just as good a job defensively as Butt in my opinion. There's no doubting the Butt-Emre partnership has worked well, but then we have improved immensely as a team over the last few weeks.

Butt deserves much of his plaudits, but people are getting a bit carried away I think. He still makes a couple of mistakes here and there and Parker is overall a better footballer. Agree with Gejon, if Parker was told to sit and hold his partnership with Emre would work, but it seems as if Roeder plays Emre-Parker as two CMs rather than one AM and one DM.

Emre's contribution has been more than satisfactory this season imo. He's the only one apart from Dyer who's willing to run at people and create things. And he's been the engine of the team this season rather than Butt or Parker. He looks as if he's finally settling in now, it would be a blunder to drop him. The question is how to accomodate Parker alongside him, it has to be Parker. If his role in the side could be made clear, I think the Emre-Parker partnership could be a very decent one.

Lehman

 

Any 'keeper that can be GOT AT mentally is a liability. You bump into Lehman and he loses it, send in some high crosses and put him under pressure and he starts to flap. Good shotstopper, average at the rest.

 

Lehman is the less talented German version of David James.

 

Cech is a top top 'keeper but how much of his game depends on Terry and co? Whenever I've seen him play for his country he doesn't look so strong, so the jury is still out. Put him behind Bramble and co for a few years, lets see what that does to his game...

 

Back to Shay - I value consistency above most things in a 'keeper and Shay is consistently excellent and therefore, for me, one of the best at what he does in the world.

Aye, imagine Shay playing behind people like Toure or Terry.

And then imagine Lehmann playing behind somone like Bramble, that would be an absolute circus

to be honest, he isn't quite as good as some like to make out either

 

a goalkeeper's main reason for being there is to save shots, but they are also responsible for preventing opportunities (box domination) and distributing the ball effectively, Shay is average at very best in these aspects.

 

great keeper, but the 'elite' don't have any weaknesses

 

Everybody has weaknesses.

 

The likes of Henry and Ronaldinho would be in the so called 'elite' group of footballers. But they have weaknesses. Its just that their strenghts overshadow their weaknesses most of the time.

 

 

 

True.

 

Buffon drifts in games, Casillas is shockingly inconsistent, Cech's kicking is poor, Van Der Sar is total dog shit for top corner shots, Lehman is a total cock and vastly over-rated anyway, Reina is pathetic in the air and Given's distribution is poor.

 

All the worldclass keepers have their faults, i've just picked the glaringly obvious with each one. Ask a level-headed fan of each keeper and they'd point out even more.

 

Kicking apart Cech is a pretty flawless keeper.

 

My problem with Shay is that he doesn't command his area enough, he rarely comes out and catches/punches the ball. On top form I'd have 3 or 4 Premiership goalies over Shay.

 

As much as it sounds I'm not having a pop at Shay whose been a fantastic player for us but he isn't/never was the best goalie in the Premiership.

 

I can remember Cech making at least 3 major blunders last season. So I wouldnt say he's flawless.

 

Given has been the best keeper in the league for the last two seasons, no doubt about it.

 

And I'm sure Given made 3 goal costing mistakes as well. And when I say flawless I mean in his attributes. They've missed his presence and his command of his area, he instills confidence in the defenders. They wouldn't have lost against Boro if Cech was in goal.

 

IMO Lehmann was by FAR the best goalkeeper in the league last year. Given maybe the best shot stopper but altogether Lehmann is a better goalkeeper. Given is a very cautious GK.

WHAT!!!! The amount of mistakes Lehmann made last season, not to mention the last game against Wigan. And he's so uncertain while coming out to catch things, and on set pieces. Seems to fumble those an awful lot.

And then the game against Chelsea this season, he made three clear blunders, letting out the ball from his hands but Chelsea hit the post everytime.

Im not saying players should be judged on one game, but Lehamnn is extremely error prone. I wouldnt even have him in my top 5 keepers of the year let alone the best! He did well in the CL but that was about it. No wonder Arsenal keep getting linked with keepers, Lehmann's a liability IMO.

Distin is absolute crap, seen him make loads of errors while playing for City. Seems to have a knack of going to sleep during games.

He'd be no better than Boumsong in my opinion.

Silvestre would be great, capable of filling in at LB and CB. Not sure how much it will take to prize him away from the scum though, Ferguson will want a good large squad to push Chelski all the way for the title.

The important thing is very decent players like Bridge/Silvestre/Brown are up for grabs. Wont be very easy to get one of them but then again its never easy to get good players. With a bit of ambition, we should be able to get one of the above.

Time to see if Roeder's got his priorities right. I'd be fuming if he splashed out on a striker before having a look at the full back spots. And we do need a decent CB as well.

Saw the recording a bit later on, and both Edgar and Huntington looked solid.

If these guys can come and make their debuts at places like Chelsea and Bolton,and more than hold their own, then with time they can certainly become very decent players. Taylor has been very solid as well, finally looking like the palyer people said he could be and these two look like they could go down the same road.

Ramage was the one who looked the most shaken, and understandably after that freak incident. Although he looks like a solid player at times, I dont see him anything more than good backup for us in the future.

to be honest, he isn't quite as good as some like to make out either

 

a goalkeeper's main reason for being there is to save shots, but they are also responsible for preventing opportunities (box domination) and distributing the ball effectively, Shay is average at very best in these aspects.

 

great keeper, but the 'elite' don't have any weaknesses

 

Everybody has weaknesses.

 

The likes of Henry and Ronaldinho would be in the so called 'elite' group of footballers. But they have weaknesses. Its just that their strenghts overshadow their weaknesses most of the time.

 

 

 

True.

 

Buffon drifts in games, Casillas is shockingly inconsistent, Cech's kicking is poor, Van Der Sar is total dog shit for top corner shots, Lehman is a total cock and vastly over-rated anyway, Reina is pathetic in the air and Given's distribution is poor.

 

All the worldclass keepers have their faults, i've just picked the glaringly obvious with each one. Ask a level-headed fan of each keeper and they'd point out even more.

 

Kicking apart Cech is a pretty flawless keeper.

 

My problem with Shay is that he doesn't command his area enough, he rarely comes out and catches/punches the ball. On top form I'd have 3 or 4 Premiership goalies over Shay.

 

As much as it sounds I'm not having a pop at Shay whose been a fantastic player for us but he isn't/never was the best goalie in the Premiership.

I can remember Cech making at least 3 major blunders last season. So I wouldnt say he's flawless.

Given has been the best keeper in the league for the last two seasons, no doubt about it.

But Pav is fourth choice isnt he?

Im sure Krul would have started if he was fully fit, especially after that performance against Palermo.

Mind you Shay is not bad in those situations you mention. He catches a lot of what he comes out for,and looks in command. When I see much larger people like Lehmann hesitate and so often fumble balls when dealing with corners etc, I often think Shay is better than most in those situations as well.

to be honest, he isn't quite as good as some like to make out either

 

a goalkeeper's main reason for being there is to save shots, but they are also responsible for preventing opportunities (box domination) and distributing the ball effectively, Shay is average at very best in these aspects.

 

great keeper, but the 'elite' don't have any weaknesses

Everybody has weaknesses.

The likes of Henry and Ronaldinho would be in the so called 'elite' group of footballers. But they have weaknesses. Its just that their strenghts overshadow their weaknesses most of the time.

he scored a few long range at charlton but done nowt like it since

 

The goal against Charlton? No I made that one up too bluewink.gif

 

one of two long range goals he's scored for the toon, and i didn't think it was too good anyway, more like slow (mentally) keeping.

It was a cracker to be honest

Lets not say Emre is crap at set pieces, he's not the best at scoring directly from a freekick, but half our goals have come form his freekicks and corners.

 

I doubt it.

 

Want me to compile a list of goals this season from his corners or set pieces?

 

yes

 

Actually 14% of our goals have come from his set pieces, still not bad blueyes.gif bluebiggrin.gif

 

Aye canny close to half our total goals.

 

14% is actually higher than i thought, but considering how many games he's played 25 out of 32 (somewhere near that) and him being the attacking midfielder in our mid then 14% is pretty shocking considering he is our free kick taker, corner as well, and at default you have 10 outfield players, meaning 10% each is an average without taking into consideration where they play if they start every game.

 

 

Milner, Solano and Duff do take quite a few corners as well. I think we're okay in that department even though we might not have a single brilliant set piece specialist. let me calcutalte the precentage of our goals that have come from set pieces now bluecool.gif

About 29% bluebiggrin.gif

Lets not say Emre is crap at set pieces, he's not the best at scoring directly from a freekick, but half our goals have come form his freekicks and corners.

 

I doubt it.

 

Want me to compile a list of goals this season from his corners or set pieces?

 

yes

 

Actually 14% of our goals have come from his set pieces, still not bad blueyes.gif bluebiggrin.gif

 

Aye canny close to half our total goals. 

 

14% is actually higher than i thought, but considering how many games he's played 25 out of 32 (somewhere near that) and him being the attacking midfielder in our mid then 14% is pretty shocking considering he is our free kick taker, corner as well, and at default you have 10 outfield players, meaning 10% each is an average without taking into consideration where they play if they start every game.

 

Milner, Solano and Duff do take quite a few corners as well. I think we're okay in that department even though we might not have a single brilliant set piece specialist. let me calcutalte the precentage of our goals that have come from set pieces now bluecool.gif

i'm sorry jon, i understand what you are trying to say, but your describing none existant events here

 

Where? blueconfused.gif

 

 

 

and has gone close on various other occasions.

 

 

don't you remember that scuffed shot that only went 15 yards wide? Clearly this shows he has the ABILITY (DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT ABILITY MEANS>>?) to score from long distance

 

Ginola could score from range, but i remember a shot he had once that went off for a throw in, so although i partly agree with ur argument, thats just a shit angle for argument!

Great fun this

"I partly agree with your argument, although its shit"

:lol:

Lets not say Emre is crap at set pieces, he's not the best at scoring directly from a freekick, but half our goals have come form his freekicks and corners.

 

I doubt it.

 

Want me to compile a list of goals this season from his corners or set pieces?

 

yes

Actually 14% of our goals have come from his set pieces, still not bad blueyes.gif bluebiggrin.gif

The fact that he has scored 3 like that and has gone close on various other occasions. Its like speaking to a special school on here sometimes 

 

Players like Shola, you know they are very very rarely going to see him hit a ball with power from 30 years but Parker can do this. Is it THAT hard to understand?

 

Its like saying "how do you know Alonso has the ability to put one in the back of the net from 40+ yards even though he has only done it twice"!

Because if Parker had tried to shoot the ball from that distance it would have ended up near the stadium of light. People dont score from that range all their lives. Somebody who does it once a season definitely has the ability to do it.

it's like saying we have the ability to eat our own poo but we don't always do it

Lets not say Emre is crap at set pieces, he's not the best at scoring directly from a freekick, but half our goals have come form his freekicks and corners.

 

I doubt it.

Want me to compile a list of goals this season from his corners or set pieces?

jon your taking this a bit personal imo

 

Sorry just annoys me when people chat complete shite, I really don't think some understand the difference between the ability to do something and to consistantly do it!

How do you know he's got the ability to shoot from long range when he's only scored 3 in that style all his life? Did he have a special X-Ray that showed a super tense muscle in the thigh or something? If he had the ability he would have score a lot more.

People like Gerrrad or Lampard have shooting ability, and we know they have that ability because they score goals from range from time to time. What has Parker done to show you he has shooting ability?

Im a fan of Scotty's by the way, think he gets a lot of unfair criticism. But he just hasnt got the ability to score from range mate.

Ok Parker doesn't have the ability to hit the ball from long range, I made it up!

 

I'm glad you finally admitted it. Now you've stopped playing silly buggers we can have an intelligent discussion. I think Parker is perhaps the least effective midfielder we have had on the books in the history of NUFC

Then why the hell did you type that last sentence!

Lets not say Emre is crap at set pieces, he's not the best at scoring directly from a freekick, but half our goals have come form his freekicks and corners.