Martin Lol

The scum is the one he wants, he made that pretty plain when Spurs were chasing him.  I think he'll wind up with them and probably go there on the cheap as well like Van Persie.

I feel sorry for you guys.

When he starts building his own team (he thought Breen was good), you'll find out how bad he really is.

 

P.S. Anyone else hate seeing his mug everywhere?

Breen was good, wasn't he??

Well, Mrs Breen thought so!!

Here's something to chew over. I think it's entirely possible with regards to the Luque/Chopra situation that Roeder's thinking has simply been he knows exactly what Luque is capable of, and whether he wants to have him here or not, but he didn't know enough about Chopra to justify either giving him a new contract or letting him go; therefore, he played Chopra at the end of the season in preference to Luque.

 

I believe personally that Roeder made up his mind about Luque's role- or whether he even has one- next season. I don't know whether that decision was to keep him, give him a good preseason, or whether it's to sell him. But I believe he was undecided about Chopra. I'm not saying this is fact, but it's a theory.

You could well be right, it wouldn't be the first time that has been done..

I would keep him, let him have a full pre-season under Roeder and that may well give him more confidence.  If he's no better, jog him on in January.

Why do you care so much Jol?

 

Because this fuka knows Spurs are going to pull away even further now. We will have no sway with big players, and Spurs are going to pick up the market that the top 4 dont want. Has Roeder got the bollox to pick the players up after a 4 game winless streak, will he terrify players, wil Owen stay.

 

Answer is no to all of the above

 

Congratulations FS if this is true, you have well and truely fukd us over again!!!

 

You're taakin total pish mate.

 

Has Roeder got the bollox to pick the players up after a 4 game winless streak, will he terrify players, wil Owen stay.

 

He already fucking has!!!  Unbelievable.  This guy deserves the Newcastle job, more than any appointment we've made in years, talk about steadying the boat?!?!?  He's turned into a round the world catamaran.  I'm actually staggered anyone has the audacity to slag Glenn, and his appointment, and for once I think Shepherd has done the right thing.  Let's face it whoever he appointed there'd be wanks, saying FFS has fucked us again.   Well done Shepherd and well done Roeder, it's the most positive step this club has made since we sacked Robson.  Good luck Glenn most of the true fans will be 100% behind you.

Blimey!! I'm agreeing 100% with Steveintoon!! :shock: :shock:

Why do you care so much Jol?

 

Because this fuka knows Spurs are going to pull away even further now. We will have no sway with big players, and Spurs are going to pick up the market that the top 4 dont want. Has Roeder got the bollox to pick the players up after a 4 game winless streak, will he terrify players, wil Owen stay.

 

Answer is no to all of the above

 

Congratulations FS if this is true, you have well and truely fukd us over again!!!

You're talking out of your *rse mate, Roeder has got everything needed to make him a top manager (apart from the final badge, so I'm not taking the rumour as gospel yet).

Here's what I first said over a month ago, I stick by it and I still reckon you've got yourself a winner this time around.

"Although I have met GR, it's never been close enough of long enough to honestly form an opinion of the guy although 'sour incompetent and no leader of men', sour yes, the other two no.

I've met him on 3 occasions, once to talk to for about 5/10 minutes, plus a couple of fleeting 'hello, well played'.  Also overheard him when he was the West Ham youth coach in matches against the Spurs kids.  He struck me as very ambitious, very positive and very perceptive, going on to the spanners kids about shortcomings in the Spurs kids that I hadn't really been aware of but when he said it, you could see what he meant.  Always seemed to be a great motivator, getting more out of some than was really there, it was easy to see why man management is thought to be one of his strengths. 

Most of what I knew about him came from Glenn Hoddle, who I know well.  Hoddle wanted Roeder on the coaching staff when he went to Spurs in addition to Hughton, and it was Hoddle that appointed him to the England coaching setup when he was manager, at that time Roeder was still the West Ham youth coach. Hoddle will talk to anyone for hours on end about tactics and training methods and was obviously well impressed with Roeder's thinking. The fact that Roeder held a low profile job wouldn't have made any difference, Hoddle appointed Peter Taylor to be the u21 coach when Taylor was manager of Dover Athletic.

Hoddle told me that Roeder was one of the strongest minded and ambitious people he knew in football, maybe that surprised me a bit because he doesn't strike me as having that sort of mentality, very knowledgeable and perceptive undoubtedly, but not strongminded, not in the Fergie style anyway.  When you remember that Hoddle is really thick with Wenger, his comments about Roeder are a big compliment.  Reading between the lines, I think Hoddle rates Roeder higher than Taylor from the coaching perspective, even though Taylor got the higher profile job, I may be wrong, but I don't think so.  There's no doubt he was unlucky at West Ham having both Di Canio and Kanoute out for 6 months, losing your 2 best strikers and not being given money to replace them would hurt any team.  Terry Brown, the spanners chairman, is tighter with his money than Doug Ellis and when they got hit with injuries, and no money to get replacments in, they went down.  I never saw that as relegation brought on by Roeder, simply self inflicted by Brown.

The one area of management he's never really been tested on in signing new players, but I would guess with his ability to identify strengths and weaknesses in players, I don't think that would be a problem. "

Im glad if its true!

Not as glad as me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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How are Blackburn above us right now, is it on Alphabetical order?

We have scored exactly the same amount of goals and conceded exactly the same.

 

Surely as we beat 3-0 and they only be us 1-0 then we should be above them?

 

La Liga operates a head to head option, the Premeirship doesn't.

Take a look at the teams we have beat, and the teams we've lost to...

 

Given the quality in our squad, we should be beating most teams in the Premiership, and credit to Roeder for getting the desired results against the lower teams. But look what happened when we played Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea; they cruised it against us, and I won't settle for a manager who isn't going to give us a shot at matching it with the best. With Australia's WC qualification, I've seen first hand the difference a top class manager can make to a team. If appointed as full time manager, Roeder may guarantee a top half finish, but he will not get us a CL spot. Let him serve out his time as caretaker manager, and then let him resume what he was originally hired to do; take care of the academy...

 

I'm not saying that he hasn't done well, but he isn't the man for the job...

 

Quite frankly, I think that is a ridiculous argument.  Spurs haven't beaten Liverpool, manure or Chelsea either, does that mean Martin Jol can't give Spurs a chance of competing with the best?  Of course it doesn't, nor can that argument be levelled at Glenn Roeder either.

 

What makes you think he hasn't got the attributes to get Newcastle to the CL?  He got the spanners to 7th in the premiership with practically no transfer money at all.  One thing is for certain. If he doesn't get the top job, there will be plenty of clubs who have seen what he can do and will.  I don't think you will see Roeder back in the Academy, time for something better, either at Newcastle or elsewhere.

 

He also took the same, very talented, team down the next season. Speaking to my WHam mate recently I commented on what a good job Roeder has done for us - he said the same thing of their first non-full season with him. The next season, according to him, they were dreadful. I believe Roeder has done exceptionally well for us as caretaker manager, but that's all it should be in my opinion.

 

Your mate must be one of the blinkered ones that think's the sun shines out of Terry Brown's *rse!!

 

When the spanners best two strikers at that time (Di Canio and Kanoute) were both out for 6 months and Brown refused to sanction the purchase or loan of a replacement, relegation was inevitable in most people's opinions.  Maybe the only surprising thing was that they managed to go over 40 pts before being relgated. 

 

Most fairminded spanners fans will admit that relegation was not Roeder's fault, it was all down to Brown's stupidity.  Even FFS wouldn't leave his team with no strikers at all!

 

I take your point about their strikers, not least given they were playing Ian Pearce up front in that period.

 

I'll grant that the West Ham support isn't the most fair-minded in the world, but most of them don't seem to have a high opinion of Roeder, in my experience. I don't exactly spend much time around them, so I might just be hearing the loud-mouthed ones/Cockney journalists, mind.

I don't have as many spanners mates as most other London clubs, but the people I know from whichever club generally thought he was doing a pretty good job for a newbie given the restrictions placed on him by the Chairman. 

If Brown thought Roeder was the man for the job, he should have given Roeder finance to get in replacements when the injuries struck.  To tell him that you can't have any money because you haven't proved yourself, even though Brown had appointed Roeder on a permanent basis was imo lunacy.  I'm not saying that Roeder is the best man for the job, but I honestly think he could do a lot better with the right support from the board than a lot of the names being bandied about.

I hope no-one who said "no" or "don't know" EVER said 'give Souness more time', because that would be too laughable even for us NUFC fans.

I think you'll find those who said give Souness more time are the ones saying "Give the job to Roeder"

I personally rate Roeder as far FAR better than Allardyce Curbishly et al, but want Hitzfeld or Hiddink.

I dont want to be getting angry and demanding Roeder's head when it goes pear shaped because he's too nice a bloke, and has our clubs best interests at heart (unlike Souness who subsidised Rangers with our money on Boumsong, and is responsible for Faye and Babayaro)

I'm certainly not one of those who thought Souness should have more time, I wanted him out in November!!  The reasoning behind that was because I wanted the new man, when he was appointed, to have adequate time to look at the squad, see what improvements were needed and deal with it in the January window.  With the season as it now is, I see no benefit in not keeping Roeder until the end of the season (badge permitting) and for FFS to decide shortly after who is the right nam for the job.  I don't see any benefit in appointing a new man now, equally, I can see no good reason for leaving it in abeyance until after the WC.  The decision should have been made before the WC starts.

Take a look at the teams we have beat, and the teams we've lost to...

 

Given the quality in our squad, we should be beating most teams in the Premiership, and credit to Roeder for getting the desired results against the lower teams. But look what happened when we played Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea; they cruised it against us, and I won't settle for a manager who isn't going to give us a shot at matching it with the best. With Australia's WC qualification, I've seen first hand the difference a top class manager can make to a team. If appointed as full time manager, Roeder may guarantee a top half finish, but he will not get us a CL spot. Let him serve out his time as caretaker manager, and then let him resume what he was originally hired to do; take care of the academy...

 

I'm not saying that he hasn't done well, but he isn't the man for the job...

 

Quite frankly, I think that is a ridiculous argument.  Spurs haven't beaten Liverpool, manure or Chelsea either, does that mean Martin Jol can't give Spurs a chance of competing with the best?  Of course it doesn't, nor can that argument be levelled at Glenn Roeder either.

 

What makes you think he hasn't got the attributes to get Newcastle to the CL?  He got the spanners to 7th in the premiership with practically no transfer money at all.  One thing is for certain. If he doesn't get the top job, there will be plenty of clubs who have seen what he can do and will.  I don't think you will see Roeder back in the Academy, time for something better, either at Newcastle or elsewhere.

 

He also took the same, very talented, team down the next season. Speaking to my WHam mate recently I commented on what a good job Roeder has done for us - he said the same thing of their first non-full season with him. The next season, according to him, they were dreadful. I believe Roeder has done exceptionally well for us as caretaker manager, but that's all it should be in my opinion.

Your mate must be one of the blinkered ones that think's the sun shines out of Terry Brown's *rse!!

When the spanners best two strikers at that time (Di Canio and Kanoute) were both out for 6 months and Brown refused to sanction the purchase or loan of a replacement, relegation was inevitable in most people's opinions.  Maybe the only surprising thing was that they managed to go over 40 pts before being relgated. 

Most fairminded spanners fans will admit that relegation was not Roeder's fault, it was all down to Brown's stupidity.  Even FFS wouldn't leave his team with no strikers at all!

Take a look at the teams we have beat, and the teams we've lost to...

 

Given the quality in our squad, we should be beating most teams in the Premiership, and credit to Roeder for getting the desired results against the lower teams. But look what happened when we played Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea; they cruised it against us, and I won't settle for a manager who isn't going to give us a shot at matching it with the best. With Australia's WC qualification, I've seen first hand the difference a top class manager can make to a team. If appointed as full time manager, Roeder may guarantee a top half finish, but he will not get us a CL spot. Let him serve out his time as caretaker manager, and then let him resume what he was originally hired to do; take care of the academy...

 

I'm not saying that he hasn't done well, but he isn't the man for the job...

Quite frankly, I think that is a ridiculous argument.  Spurs haven't beaten Liverpool, manure or Chelsea either, does that mean Martin Jol can't give Spurs a chance of competing with the best?  Of course it doesn't, nor can that argument be levelled at Glenn Roeder either.

What makes you think he hasn't got the attributes to get Newcastle to the CL?  He got the spanners to 7th in the premiership with practically no transfer money at all.  One thing is for certain. If he doesn't get the top job, there will be plenty of clubs who have seen what he can do and will.  I don't think you will see Roeder back in the Academy, time for something better, either at Newcastle or elsewhere.

Having just through the remaining matches of 2005, my guess is that the league table on 1st January will be:

 

1. Chelsea 51pts

2. Man Utd 41pts

3. Arsenal 40pts

4. Tottenham 39pts

5. Liverpool 38pts

6. Wigan 32pts

7. Blackburn 29pts

8. Man City 28pts

9. Charlton 28pts

10. West Ham 27pts

11. Bolton 26pts

12. Middlesbrough 26pts

13. Aston Villa 20pts

14. Newcastle 19pts

15. Fulham 19pts

16. Everton 17pts

17. West Brom 15pts

18. Portsmouth 15pts

19. Birmingham 13pts

20. Sunderland 5pts

 

I've tried to have an honest guess at all of the matches, may be totaly wrong but if I'm anything close to being accurate, it makes pretty depressing reading.

 

Ouch you reckon we're gonna get 1 point.

 

With a 0-0 on Saturday?

 

Seems realistic mind.

If you can see where any more are coming from, I'm open to suggestions.  The spanners are doing ok, I thought about Charlton but I wondered how the team morale would be by then if Souness was still in charge.  A lot could change if he went.

Let's all just keep calm, wait until the New Year and see what the League table looks like then.

 

Martin interesting Spuds, Bolton and fans of other clubs pushing for Europe all name us as their rivals for that spot.

 

Do you all base it on us getting a new manager or are you all deluded?

 

Maybe they are just wrong, like some Newcastle fans - specifically the ones who think we will get into the top 6 - are.

 

You cant mention injuries on here Martin mate, you should know that by now.

 

I didn't, they're part and parcel of the game and should be covered by the squad.

 

Ok then I shall erase your comments on Taylor from my mind also.

I said you would have done better if Taylor hadn't been injured.  The lack of depth in the squad is Souness's fault and that is in part the reason for the current abysmal displays.

Let's all just keep calm, wait until the New Year and see what the League table looks like then.

 

Martin interesting Spuds, Bolton and fans of other clubs pushing for Europe all name us as their rivals for that spot.

 

Do you all base it on us getting a new manager or are you all deluded?

 

Maybe they are just wrong, like some Newcastle fans - specifically the ones who think we will get into the top 6 - are.

 

You cant mention injuries on here Martin mate, you should know that by now.

I didn't, they're part and parcel of the game and should be covered by the squad.

Having just through the remaining matches of 2005, my guess is that the league table on 1st January will be:

1.  Chelsea          51pts

2.  Man Utd          41pts

3.  Arsenal          40pts

4.  Tottenham      39pts

5.  Liverpool        38pts

6.  Wigan            32pts

7.  Blackburn      29pts

8.  Man City        28pts

9.  Charlton        28pts

10. West Ham    27pts

11. Bolton          26pts

12. Middlesbrough 26pts

13. Aston Villa    20pts

14. Newcastle    19pts

15. Fulham        19pts

16. Everton        17pts

17. West Brom  15pts

18. Portsmouth  15pts

19. Birmingham  13pts

20. Sunderland  5pts

I've tried to have an honest guess at all of the matches, may be totaly wrong but if I'm anything close to being accurate, it makes pretty depressing reading.

I expect Newcastle to perform a lot better too when Owen returns, a more important injury IMO was Taylor's.  When he was playing the centre of defence looked a lot more secure than it does now.  Wigan reserves had something 21/22 shots at goal and a dozen on target.

I'm damned convinced that wouldn't have been the case if Taylor had been playing.

Let's all just keep calm, wait until the New Year and see what the League table looks like then.

 

Martin interesting Spuds, Bolton and fans of other clubs pushing for Europe all name us as their rivals for that spot.

 

Do you all base it on us getting a new manager or are you all deluded?

TBH Obi, at the start of the season I thought the top 6 would be Manure, Chelsea, Scum, Scousers Spurs and Newcastle (in no particular order).  I hope I'm wrong but I don't think Newcastle will get anywhere near threatening for a top 6 spot right now.

In a previous thread, I said for the 8 matches from Chelsea to the end of the year you'd get 12 pts.  You got 3 against Brum but, right now, I can't see Newcastle picking up another win.  Without Owen you're struggling to score, Villa will be fighting just as much as you, I reckon that will be goalless.  The rest I think you'll lose.

Let's all just keep calm, wait until the New Year and see what the League table looks like then.