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The reason Chopra will never be taken seriously is because he lacks pace...

Them be the new rules of football. You cannot be his size in this day and age and not have pace. Far lesser players will always get greater opportunities as long as they have more pace.

Berbatov has scored 19 goals this season, which is an impressive return in his first season at the club and in the country, but if you break it down, 8 of those were in the league (2 vs Fulham, 2 vs Charlton, 1 vs Wigan, 1 vs Newcastle & 1 vs West Ham being where 7 of those came from) and 7 of his other goals were in the UEFA cup against average and below average opposition.

 

Interesting...

What's Oba's breakdown?

It was just mentioned how we haven't managed to get in a left back int he last four windows and it is this sort of thing that worries me!

 

I cannot help but feel the chopping and changing of managers has contributed to the inability to finally put a squad together! It is always done half way withone manager before another manager is introduced.

 

For example. I know we all didn't rate Souness, but I honestly believe that had he still been here (by some miracle!) that Boumsong would have come around as well as Luque too! And by now he would have moved on to addressing other areas of our squad. However Roeder comes in automatically decides Luque and Boumsong aren't good enough and so we have essentially taken a step back in development and we haven't moved on to addressing other areas such as LEFT-BACK!!!

 

I'm not saying this for certain but Boumsong could have been our Vidic. Luque could have been our Luis Garcia. Both were not great initially but the managers who brought them in continued to have faithi n them and worked with them.

 

Who knows...

 

Udo is this you?

 

What's an Udo?

 

It's an username as you well know............Udo.

 

 

Is it you?

 

Um...in case you didn't notice my username is KaKa!

 

I don't know what your up to dude but your scaring me...

 

Where is this Udo from???

 

He's English, but with a Nigerian background. Maybe I have you mixed up....Apologies if that's the case......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Udo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No worries.

Oh right...

Well I must say, this Udo sounds like he's a quality chap. Very worldly indeed. It's understandable that you might confuse me for him.

But alas I fear you are indeed mistaken...

It was just mentioned how we haven't managed to get in a left back int he last four windows and it is this sort of thing that worries me!

 

I cannot help but feel the chopping and changing of managers has contributed to the inability to finally put a squad together! It is always done half way withone manager before another manager is introduced.

 

For example. I know we all didn't rate Souness, but I honestly believe that had he still been here (by some miracle!) that Boumsong would have come around as well as Luque too! And by now he would have moved on to addressing other areas of our squad. However Roeder comes in automatically decides Luque and Boumsong aren't good enough and so we have essentially taken a step back in development and we haven't moved on to addressing other areas such as LEFT-BACK!!!

 

I'm not saying this for certain but Boumsong could have been our Vidic. Luque could have been our Luis Garcia. Both were not great initially but the managers who brought them in continued to have faithi n them and worked with them.

 

Who knows...

 

Udo is this you?

 

What's an Udo?

 

It's an username as you well know............Udo.

 

 

Is it you?

Um...in case you didn't notice my username is KaKa!

I don't know what your up to dude but your scaring me...

Where is this Udo from???

It was just mentioned how we haven't managed to get in a left back int he last four windows and it is this sort of thing that worries me!

 

I cannot help but feel the chopping and changing of managers has contributed to the inability to finally put a squad together! It is always done half way withone manager before another manager is introduced.

 

For example. I know we all didn't rate Souness, but I honestly believe that had he still been here (by some miracle!) that Boumsong would have come around as well as Luque too! And by now he would have moved on to addressing other areas of our squad. However Roeder comes in automatically decides Luque and Boumsong aren't good enough and so we have essentially taken a step back in development and we haven't moved on to addressing other areas such as LEFT-BACK!!!

 

I'm not saying this for certain but Boumsong could have been our Vidic. Luque could have been our Luis Garcia. Both were not great initially but the managers who brought them in continued to have faithi n them and worked with them.

 

Who knows...

 

Udo is this you?

What's an Udo?

It was just mentioned how we haven't managed to get in a left back int he last four windows and it is this sort of thing that worries me!

I cannot help but feel the chopping and changing of managers has contributed to the inability to finally put a squad together! It is always done half way withone manager before another manager is introduced.

For example. I know we all didn't rate Souness, but I honestly believe that had he still been here (by some miracle!) that Boumsong would have come around as well as Luque too! And by now he would have moved on to addressing other areas of our squad. However Roeder comes in automatically decides Luque and Boumsong aren't good enough and so we have essentially taken a step back in development and we haven't moved on to addressing other areas such as LEFT-BACK!!!

I'm not saying this for certain but Boumsong could have been our Vidic. Luque could have been our Luis Garcia. Both were not great initially but the managers who brought them in continued to have faithi n them and worked with them.

Who knows...

God help us.

Yet again another summer on tenterhooks. Scouring the papers every morning for some morsel of hope that we are goign after the right players and maybe even hoping for a change in manager.

Never a settled moment of peace or calm at this club.

Same crap every summer...

That's the thing though! They won't get rid of Roeder now will they!

If they do it will be at the end of the season, which in my opinion is the worst possible time as it will be just before the most crucial of all transfer windows, and the new man would have no clue about the current squad and so would have no clue as to what we actually need.

This would especially be the case should we go with someone foreign! As I doubt a foregin manager would have taken the slightest interest in our pathetic team and so would know nothing about how rubbish the players are.

Do you not feel bringing in a new manager at the beginning of the summer will hinder our efforts to re-build the squad though?

If we wanted to make a change we should have done it in January at least , so that the new man gets a feel for the suqad at hand and knows how to improve it.

For example how do we know the new manager won't want to give Bramble one more chance? Thinking he would be able to get the best out of him as Souness and Roeder did?

I feel it would be very complicated to go down this road at this point...

I am so confused at the moment I don't even know where to start...

Here's the thing. Can we really afford to bring in another manager this summer? I am not sure I would be happy with this at all. The reason is because I feel it will not allow us to improve and build on the squad like we need to, and at the moment I think this is the single most important thing for us to do.

You can say what you want about Roeder, but at the moment he is the man in the best position to build this squad, as he will now know every single player inside out and exactly what we need to improve the squad. He might not be the best manager but the one area I have faith in him is in his ideas of building a team that will take us forward.

So, here's what I think. I think we should give him the summer to get in the players we need and the club should back him in this, but at the same time we should identify a top manager who would be able to come in and work with the players that are at the club already. Therefore, should Roeder struggle at the start of the season despite the new players that were brought in then we would be in a position to act.

I guess what I'm saying here is that I still believe more than others that our players are the umber one problem here. Roeder is quoted today as saying how dissapointed he is that we resorted to long balls up to Sibierski once we went behind. When the going gets tough the current group of players lose their composure badly. Roeder understands this and he should be given the chance to bring in the players that can change this. Yes he didn't do a good job with the last couple of windows, but at least this summer there can be no excuses as he has his targets and he will have to strike early. We absolutely have to have our new players in for the whole of our pre-season to give them every chance of being ready for what will be a tough season for us.

So in closing what I am saying is let Roeder build the team, as he does seem to have the right ideas about the players we should have at the club, but if he struggles to get the best out of them at the start of the season then bring someone else in who has the reputation for getting the best out of players and who is happy to work with the team that is available.

SCOTT PARKER!!!

Embarrassing...

The ref was actually on our side and gave us more decisions all night! Scott Parker actually puts the ball in after the whistle when some players had already stopped.

This is awfully weak stuff from Roeder.

Dissapointing...

Klose would have had his chance to remind us why he didn't want to come to our crappy club...

At least we avoided that!

Meanwhile Kanoute get's his chance to out the spuds. Brilliant!

In my opinion Siberski was our best player last night. Got a head on so many of those horrid long balls and put them into good areas, but where was our midfield to pick some of these up? and where was Oba to run onto some of them? Sibierski was better than Parker.

Butt in my opinion was better than Parker because he actually played a few decent passes and more importantly he stayed on his feet took up better positions to try and break up play, even though he wasn't very succesful. I also recall instances where he tried to double up on the right winger who was giving Huntington the thrashing of his life. He also showed some freakin emotion and hurt at the end when he realised we were going out! while the other buffoons just accepted it. Butt was definitely better then Parker.

other than those two I wouldn't say anyone else was better but thecertainly weren't worse. I must say again though that this is irrelevant because Parker in my opinion never really does much...EVER!!!

Scott Parker was absolutely awful and one of our worst players last night!

 

How anyone can say he was one of our best is unbelievable...

 

Can't think of one thing he did right...too careleass and reckless a player. Looks like a championship player at the moment, all graft and no guile.

 

PATHETIC!!!

 

Worse of all he's our captain and it's his responsibility to lift the team and he flunked at that as well.

 

He is one unbelievably limited football player.

 

I'm not defending his ability, although some of the stick he gets is unbelievable but he never stopped running last night and that resulted in one clear cut chance (he should have done better from) and he was possibly also unlucky to get a goal chalked off right at the end. Who played better in your opinion?

It's so sad because even when he does get in those positions you know he will never have the composure to do anything of note.

It breaks my heart trust me, because he is a quality guy, but I can't help having a go because he is totally ineffective. Just think about how easily we were opened up last night, and this was with essentially two players who are suppossedly good at breaking up play sitting in our midfield. So not only were we awful attacking wise, but we were awful defensively! It doesn't make any sense!

You ask who was better, but this makes no difference to me because I feel Parker is this ineefective all of the time. Apart from a few crunching tackles he does absolutely nothing...

It hurts to say it because I really wanted him to do well but it's the truth.

Scott Parker was absolutely awful and one of our worst players last night!

How anyone can say he was one of our best is unbelievable...

Can't think of one thing he did right...too careleass and reckless a player. Looks like a championship player at the moment, all graft and no guile.

PATHETIC!!!

Worse of all he's our captain and it's his responsibility to lift the team and he flunked at that as well.

He is one unbelievably limited football player.

Still no tangible suggestions for manager I see...

We are so screwed.

Shearer as manager and sir bobby as director of football would suit me, never happen though especially the latter !!

Maybe even Roeder as DOF, I think he would do a good job in that role.

Shearer in my opinion keeps everyone on their toes and has the character to let Glenn know who needs to be sat down if they are not playing well enough. He is cut from the same cloth as Keane in that sense. He is absolutely no nonsense and the players would know they couldn't afford to slip up.

 

I believe we have all maybe underestimated his contribution to our success at the end of last season. I think it woul dbe good to have him back in the mix in whatever capacity!

 

At this rate he might very well be our manager!

 

I wouldn't have been too enthusiastic about this last summer but I have seen the light!

 

 

Didn't you just say in another thread that no manager could work with these players?

I said there was no pioint in blaming Roeder as everything from the manager to the players is a mess.

A character like Shearer would be good for us and along with some better players we would be in much better shape.

Taylor and Huntingtons awful starts affected Bramble, as he then tried to do too much to help them out!

Shearer in my opinion keeps everyone on their toes and has the character to let Glenn know who needs to be sat down if they are not playing well enough. He is cut from the same cloth as Keane in that sense. He is absolutely no nonsense and the players would know they couldn't afford to slip up.

I believe we have all maybe underestimated his contribution to our success at the end of last season. I think it woul dbe good to have him back in the mix in whatever capacity!

At this rate he might very well be our manager!

I wouldn't have been too enthusiastic about this last summer but I have seen the light!

Any suggestions on who we ought to bring in though?

Just a few months ago some were clamouring for the likes of Stuart Pearce and Martin O'neill!!!

I honestly can't think of any managers who I feel 100% certain will come in and definitely transform things...

Roeder's contract is up right? Was it just one year?

If so what the hell do we do? If we get rid, it will mean bringing in another manager who will probably need a bit of time to evaluate the team and decide what players he wants etc etc. So in effect next season might pretty much be a wash out too!

If we keep Roeder he will have to shoulder the responsibility of totally re-building this team and we don't know if he will have the clout or the pull to get it done. also, will Shepherd have enough confidence in him to back him completely?

This summer could be terrifying...

You are all totally deluded if you think a top manager could come in and make Titus Bramble, Stephen Carr, Huntington, Ramage, Taylor, Babayaro a good team.  Personally, I'm past caring if Roeder is sacked or not.  But you are all pretending this is a good side and that - despite all evidence to the contrary for about 4 or 5 years - they are ready to rocket up the table when Hitzfeld or Hiddink or whoever rides in on his white horse.  The players aren't there at the moment

 

 

Even when they win they look poor most of the time.  This magical turnaround under a new manager theory is based on the notion that players like Parker & Dyer will suddenly pretend its 2001 or 2002 again and return to form they haven't found consistently since then.  And

A man after my own heart...

OUR PLAYERS STINK!!!

I really thought nobody would be thick enough to come out and defend him after that display. Evidently I was wrong.

My point was that you could blame Roeder all you want but the actual team of players also needs a lot of work as well.

We are a poor team throughout, from top to bottom.

Me thick? Your having a laugh...

I is propa educated dude!