ross magoo

We had similar problems at Dundee United a few years ago when fans wanted the chairman (Jim McLean) out. It started off with protests outside the ground but these always seemed to descend into a rammy of drunken teenage idiots getting lifted and trying to look hard in front of their mates. A supporters group was then formed called (you guessed it) United for Change. They had an elected secretary, spokesman, fundraiser etc and eventually managed to oust the chairman and buy shares in the club. This is the kind of organisation required if you really want to make a difference - you're taking on a powerful guy and if you don't do things professionally, he'll walk all over you. A word of warning though, Dundee United have gone right downhill ever since.

Genius IMO. Done just about all that could have been realistically expected with Liverpool and more. They've not challenged for the title for years so I think its time for their fans to wise up. They've not got the money/pulling power to attract the top name players that Chelsea/Man Utd can. Benitez won La Liga with an unfashionable side and won the CL with a team thats been crap for years. Give him a break, scousers.

I'm not really up to speed on the politics of all this but as an outsider looking in there seems to be a lot of talk about what you don't want - Shepherd in charge. Easy to say what you're fighting against, not so easy to say what you're fighting for. What are the alternatives? Has anybody else put themselves forward for the chairman's post? I can understand everybody's frustration but unless a credible alternative is on the table then all of this is rather pointless.