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to be fair, am asking about yur ambitions for the club, its purely hypohetical and is in no way a personal reflection of what i beleive each manager is capable of. i am just putting a scenario to you to see where your ambitions lie for this club, and as far as i can see you would rather i league cup win over cosistent CL of european football. How are we improving as a club if that is the height of your ambitions, surely the CL is an amabition beacuse of the fininacial rewards, the elite european status the players signing power etc... like i said, culd ya answer the question above (in revious post) with either Bolton or Newcastle.

mackems.gif 4 league titles with 2 different clubs, 3 manager of the year awards and a few cups not good enough for you Fantastic. Come on NE5, you think what Dalglish and Souness achieved in one league was comparable to what sven did around europe?? Dya honestly think that Souness could of got Benfica into the CL final??? If so, why didn't he?? Bottom line, sven did it in europe, something neither manager did. i think your underestimating the magnitude of that achievenemnt....yes other poorer mangers have done it...venables etc...but on the flip side some of the greatest managers the world has seen have only managed it once (fergie)..... That sets him apart from me. not arsed about Souness. I quoted Dalglish. 4 League titles and 3 manager of the year awards. He took over Liverpool - a great side - and improved it. Exactly what was needed at the time at Newcastle. It's a response to when you said "don't give me Dalglish". Well, I am giving you Dalglish. He was at the time a top class appointment that signalled the intent of the club and was every bit as big an appointment as any top manager now. I don't expect anybody to give any credit for that though, not many people anyway. FWIW, I don't personally give a toss about Erikssons private life either, but I think he has the wrong personality for Newcastle ie the lessons of Dalglish is that a dour character must be winning to be accepted at Newcastle by the masses, when he is not winning they turn on him quickly if he doesn't have the character to keep them on his side. i am not saying, "dont give me Dalglish", i am sayin "dont give me dalglish and souness as example of good CV's, because they aren't comparable to what sven has achieved....no way near." I fail to see how you think Dalglish doesn't have a top class CV. And you DID say "don't give me Dalglish" I am also putting across an opinion on the personality of Eriksson, based on the lessons of Dalglish and the knowledge of what goes down well in Newcastle. Right, let me put this very very clearly, Dalglsh has a very good CV...yes?? Well, so does Souness...yes?? i agree they both do...but to cmpare there CV as achievements akin to sven is wrong. FULL STOP, can you honestly say that KD or Souness has the managerial skill to get any team into the CL final?? or the UEFA cup final?? i dont think so. that was my point. hence-incomparale. My second poitn, and again i will make this very simple for you, which posisiton would youprefer us to be in in 5 years time.... Bolton post SA (assuming SA won the LC) or nufc post SBR?? because if your tellin me you'd prefer the dire football with one cup sucess with a team barely capable of qalifying for the UEFA cup, then your incredibly shortsighted....think about the future of the club, compared to where we are now....think ambition. Winning is everything you're right, but rome wasn't built in 7 days. I have no idea why you keep bracketing Dalglish with Souness. Dalglish had a top quality CV, as good as it gets. Dalglish improved a team who reached the European Cup Final, he actually changed them so they played with more flair and arguably if not for the European ban, they may have reached it again. We will never know. I have answered your question. Winning is everything, if Newcastle are winning, it is entertaining me. Would YOU - in 5 years time - rather we were playing entertaining football and winning nothing or winning a cup or two playing in a not so entertaining fashion ie sexy football, remember that ? Were you happy with Gullit and losing ... ? Would youof een happy if Gullit won the FA cup but the season was still the same?? Stop movin the goal posts and stick to the question. 1 cup win, crap football barely qalify for the UEFA for 5 years, or top 5 consistenetly great football not quite having the killer instinct??becasue if tht league cup win ismore important to you than the future of this club then you are shortsighted.....simple. You clearly have no ambition if you think the league cup win is the pinnacle of this clubs potential achievements. omg I'm not moving any goalposts. Winning is everything. It's all that matters. You are presuming that Allardyce cannot get Newcastle into the top teams ? Why is this ? And why do you think that Eriksson would ? Every team Dalglish had managed had won the title, so don't tell me that I lack ambition, when you are the one who implies you put entertaining football first. i giveup, cant seem to get you to answer the question i put to you in its strictest form. ithought it was a simple question to answer, obviuolsy not. not once have i correllated(compared) my scenario with whos in charge. And it was you who brought the whole dalglish thing up, i just said that i n't opabl to sven..which it isn't, as good as it is, it isn't cmparable to sven. If you ask me, wanting one cup win in the next 5 years(like i asked), finishing consisently in the top 8(like i asked) barely qualifying for europe(like i asked) and playin crap football in the process(like i asked) and being happy with that...shows little ambimtion. However by sayin you want us to challenge the top 5 consistenlty(like i asked) playin great football(like i askd) gettin into the CL(implied), but not quite winning a cup, to me that sounds like a better future more ambitions etc. By simply comparing them to bolton and newcastle of old, its the closest i can think of as analgoies to my scenarios. Just answer this question with the answer either Bolton or Newcastle, thats all i want, nothing else just one of those 2 words. Would you prefer newcastle would be in the situation Bolton are in now, in footballing terms 5 years in the future(win a cup win)...or where newcastle were under SBR? bare in mind all the 'criteria' i gave you...crap football etc.

mackems.gif 4 league titles with 2 different clubs, 3 manager of the year awards and a few cups not good enough for you Fantastic. Come on NE5, you think what Dalglish and Souness achieved in one league was comparable to what sven did around europe?? Dya honestly think that Souness could of got Benfica into the CL final??? If so, why didn't he?? Bottom line, sven did it in europe, something neither manager did. i think your underestimating the magnitude of that achievenemnt....yes other poorer mangers have done it...venables etc...but on the flip side some of the greatest managers the world has seen have only managed it once (fergie)..... That sets him apart from me. not arsed about Souness. I quoted Dalglish. 4 League titles and 3 manager of the year awards. He took over Liverpool - a great side - and improved it. Exactly what was needed at the time at Newcastle. It's a response to when you said "don't give me Dalglish". Well, I am giving you Dalglish. He was at the time a top class appointment that signalled the intent of the club and was every bit as big an appointment as any top manager now. I don't expect anybody to give any credit for that though, not many people anyway. FWIW, I don't personally give a toss about Erikssons private life either, but I think he has the wrong personality for Newcastle ie the lessons of Dalglish is that a dour character must be winning to be accepted at Newcastle by the masses, when he is not winning they turn on him quickly if he doesn't have the character to keep them on his side. i am not saying, "dont give me Dalglish", i am sayin "dont give me dalglish and souness as example of good CV's, because they aren't comparable to what sven has achieved....no way near." I fail to see how you think Dalglish doesn't have a top class CV. And you DID say "don't give me Dalglish" I am also putting across an opinion on the personality of Eriksson, based on the lessons of Dalglish and the knowledge of what goes down well in Newcastle. Right, let me put this very very clearly, Dalglsh has a very good CV...yes?? Well, so does Souness...yes?? i agree they both do...but to cmpare there CV as achievements akin to sven is wrong. FULL STOP, can you honestly say that KD or Souness has the managerial skill to get any team into the CL final?? or the UEFA cup final?? i dont think so. that was my point. hence-incomparale. My second poitn, and again i will make this very simple for you, which posisiton would youprefer us to be in in 5 years time.... Bolton post SA (assuming SA won the LC) or nufc post SBR?? because if your tellin me you'd prefer the dire football with one cup sucess with a team barely capable of qalifying for the UEFA cup, then your incredibly shortsighted....think about the future of the club, compared to where we are now....think ambition. Winning is everything you're right, but rome wasn't built in 7 days. I have no idea why you keep bracketing Dalglish with Souness. Dalglish had a top quality CV, as good as it gets. Dalglish improved a team who reached the European Cup Final, he actually changed them so they played with more flair and arguably if not for the European ban, they may have reached it again. We will never know. I have answered your question. Winning is everything, if Newcastle are winning, it is entertaining me. Would YOU - in 5 years time - rather we were playing entertaining football and winning nothing or winning a cup or two playing in a not so entertaining fashion ie sexy football, remember that ? Were you happy with Gullit and losing ... ? Would youof een happy if Gullit won the FA cup but the season was still the same?? Stop movin the goal posts and stick to the question. 1 cup win, crap football barely qalify for the UEFA for 5 years, or top 5 consistenetly great football not quite having the killer instinct??becasue if tht league cup win ismore important to you than the future of this club then you are shortsighted.....simple. You clearly have no ambition if you think the league cup win is the pinnacle of this clubs potential achievements.

mackems.gif 4 league titles with 2 different clubs, 3 manager of the year awards and a few cups not good enough for you Fantastic. Come on NE5, you think what Dalglish and Souness achieved in one league was comparable to what sven did around europe?? Dya honestly think that Souness could of got Benfica into the CL final??? If so, why didn't he?? Bottom line, sven did it in europe, something neither manager did. i think your underestimating the magnitude of that achievenemnt....yes other poorer mangers have done it...venables etc...but on the flip side some of the greatest managers the world has seen have only managed it once (fergie)..... That sets him apart from me. not arsed about Souness. I quoted Dalglish. 4 League titles and 3 manager of the year awards. He took over Liverpool - a great side - and improved it. Exactly what was needed at the time at Newcastle. It's a response to when you said "don't give me Dalglish". Well, I am giving you Dalglish. He was at the time a top class appointment that signalled the intent of the club and was every bit as big an appointment as any top manager now. I don't expect anybody to give any credit for that though, not many people anyway. FWIW, I don't personally give a toss about Erikssons private life either, but I think he has the wrong personality for Newcastle ie the lessons of Dalglish is that a dour character must be winning to be accepted at Newcastle by the masses, when he is not winning they turn on him quickly if he doesn't have the character to keep them on his side. i am not saying, "dont give me Dalglish", i am sayin "dont give me dalglish and souness as example of good CV's, because they aren't comparable to what sven has achieved....no way near." I fail to see how you think Dalglish doesn't have a top class CV. And you DID say "don't give me Dalglish" I am also putting across an opinion on the personality of Eriksson, based on the lessons of Dalglish and the knowledge of what goes down well in Newcastle. Right, let me put this very very clearly, Dalglsh has a very good CV...yes?? Well, so does Souness...yes?? i agree they both do...but to cmpare there CV as achievements akin to sven is wrong. FULL STOP, can you honestly say that KD or Souness has the managerial skill to get any team into the CL final?? or the UEFA cup final?? i dont think so. that was my point. hence-incomparale. Are you tellin me then that you wont except anyone onthe basis of a CV because of souness and dalglish?? My second poitn, and again i will make this very simple for you, which posisiton would youprefer us to be in in 5 years time.... Bolton post SA (assuming SA won the LC) or nufc post SBR?? The question isn't winning or enertainment, the question is which future would you have for the club with the given scenarios? because if your tellin me you'd prefer the dire football with one cup sucess with a team barely capable of qalifying for the UEFA cup, then your incredibly shortsighted....think about the future of the club, compared to where we are now....think ambition. Winning is everything you're right, but rome wasn't built in 7 days.

mackems.gif 4 league titles with 2 different clubs, 3 manager of the year awards and a few cups not good enough for you Fantastic. Come on NE5, you think what Dalglish and Souness achieved in one league was comparable to what sven did around europe?? Dya honestly think that Souness could of got Benfica into the CL final??? If so, why didn't he?? Bottom line, sven did it in europe, something neither manager did. i think your underestimating the magnitude of that achievenemnt....yes other poorer mangers have done it...venables etc...but on the flip side some of the greatest managers the world has seen have only managed it once (fergie)..... That sets him apart from me. not arsed about Souness. I quoted Dalglish. 4 League titles and 3 manager of the year awards. He took over Liverpool - a great side - and improved it. Exactly what was needed at the time at Newcastle. It's a response to when you said "don't give me Dalglish". Well, I am giving you Dalglish. He was at the time a top class appointment that signalled the intent of the club and was every bit as big an appointment as any top manager now. I don't expect anybody to give any credit for that though, not many people anyway. FWIW, I don't personally give a toss about Erikssons private life either, but I think he has the wrong personality for Newcastle ie the lessons of Dalglish is that a dour character must be winning to be accepted at Newcastle by the masses, when he is not winning they turn on him quickly if he doesn't have the character to keep them on his side. i am not saying, "dont give me Dalglish", i am sayin "dont give me dalglish and souness as example of good CV's, because they aren't comparable to what sven has achieved....no way near."

I'd like us to win as many games as possible. Don't care how we win them. I'm not kidding myself, it'll take a few years to sort this club out but if he puts things in place - success in the League will follow. While we're waiting, a Cup win would be much appreciated. Would you rather us play pretty football, finishing 5th and winning nowt? f*** that - want to celebrate something. that is shockingly blingsighted, of course i would prefer the cosistent top 5 with great football. Do you not see how important it is to estabilish the club for the future. Making this club more attractive to any top class manager is my priority, one who would take usto that next step on wininng that important trophy. But to say you'd prfer crap football with mid table prosperity is absurd at which point are we realising our potential??? shocking he's not saying that at all, he's saying he's got real desire to win above all else. Thats what football is about, and he is spot on. If you put entertaining football before winning, like many others, its your problem, and in my view does the club no good at all having supporters with this mentality. Supporters of clubs that have won things will tell you the same. Not sure if you looked at the scenario i gave but it was something around the lines of consistenet top 8 football for the next 5 years with a cup win and turgid football, or consistent top 5 consistently for the next 5 years playin rpoper football. How can you say you'd prefer the first option??? WE're still a mid table football with low ambitions and a poor future if sam were to leave. However if we hadn't won anything, but were estabilished top 5 renknwed for the football, dya think our future might be better??? i think so. i mean, which club do YOU think has the better future?? top 5 newcastle, great football, still lacking the killer instinct in a cup competition, or top 8 team, playin crap football, peak once in cup competition. The way i see it, (were in not for the incompetence of FS), after the 5 trophyless years we'd ten become in a position to find someone who is able to give us that killer instinct, we'd be a hell of a lot more attractive club to be managed and there wont be a shortage of top class coaches loooking todo so.... With your narrow minded shoot ya load at the first oppurtunity attitude, we'd be no better than where bolton are now only with a shiny cup in our trophy room. Which team do you think a top class coach would prefer coming to....Newcastle post SBR or a Bolton post SA?? Dont give me the ....knowone did want to come after SBR because we all know very well the the clubhad a terrible reputation at that time, and FS main criteria for appionting a new manager was discipline. I'm not giving you anything other than the fact that it is winning that counts. "entertainment" really doesn't come into it, its a bonus if you can provide it but i'm only bothered about winning. If NUFC win its entertaining me. And whats more, the vast majority of NUFC fans would feel exactly the same. We played long ball football when we won the Fairs Cup and nobody complained. In fact, while I think football is all about having good players passing and moving, I think this long ball stuff associated with Allardyce is vastly overstated. He has had quality footballers like Djourkiaff, Anelka and Okocha playing for him - do you think they play long ball football ? Don't misunderstand long ball football for having a couple of defenders who don't take prisoners or midfield players who are tall and scrap for the ball. Theres nowt wrong with that, what is important is that he gets players to play for him. Do you fancy answering my question then??? Which team would you prefer? In esense where would you lie newcastle to be in 5 years time??

mackems.gif 4 league titles with 2 different clubs, 3 manager of the year awards and a few cups not good enough for you Fantastic. Come on NE5, you think what Dalglish and Souness achieved in one league was comparable to what sven did around europe?? Dya honestly think that Souness could of got Benfica into the CL final??? If so, why didn't he?? Bottom line, sven did it in europe, something neither manager did. i think your underestimating the magnitude of that achievenemnt....yes other poorer mangers have done it...venables etc...but on the flip side some of the greatest managers the world has seen have only managed it once (fergie)..... That sets him apart from me.

I'd like us to win as many games as possible. Don't care how we win them. I'm not kidding myself, it'll take a few years to sort this club out but if he puts things in place - success in the League will follow. While we're waiting, a Cup win would be much appreciated. Would you rather us play pretty football, finishing 5th and winning nowt? f*** that - want to celebrate something. that is shockingly blingsighted, of course i would prefer the cosistent top 5 with great football. Do you not see how important it is to estabilish the club for the future. Making this club more attractive to any top class manager is my priority, one who would take usto that next step on wininng that important trophy. But to say you'd prfer crap football with mid table prosperity is absurd at which point are we realising our potential??? shocking he's not saying that at all, he's saying he's got real desire to win above all else. Thats what football is about, and he is spot on. If you put entertaining football before winning, like many others, its your problem, and in my view does the club no good at all having supporters with this mentality. Supporters of clubs that have won things will tell you the same. Not sure if you looked at the scenario i gave but it was something around the lines of consistenet top 8 football for the next 5 years with a cup win and turgid football, or consistent top 5 consistently for the next 5 years playin rpoper football. How can you say you'd prefer the first option??? WE're still a mid table football with low ambitions and a poor future if sam were to leave. However if we hadn't won anything, but were estabilished top 5 renknwed for the football, dya think our future might be better??? i think so. i mean, which club do YOU think has the better future?? top 5 newcastle, great football, still lacking the killer instinct in a cup competition, or top 8 team, playin crap football, peak once in cup competition. The way i see it, (were in not for the incompetence of FS), after the 5 trophyless years we'd ten become in a position to find someone who is able to give us that killer instinct, we'd be a hell of a lot more attractive club to be managed and there wont be a shortage of top class coaches loooking todo so.... With your narrow minded shoot ya load at the first oppurtunity attitude, we'd be no better than where bolton are now only with a shiny cup in our trophy room. Which team do you think a top class coach would prefer coming to....Newcastle post SBR or a Bolton post SA?? Dont give me the ....knowone did want to come after SBR because we all know very well the the clubhad a terrible reputation at that time, and FS main criteria for appionting a new manager was discipline.

to be fair its a difficult, bolton are stuck between a rock and a hard place, Sam kinda built the club in accoradance to his style and philosiphies, its a club built on his foundations, i'd hate that to happen to newcastle.

I can honestlysay that i cant hack the idea of long ball at nufc. I really really dont like the way bolton play, effective as it is its just not nufc, although beggars cant be choosers You're going to have to hack it. You wouldn't believe we used to be a nice passing side. Before Sam came, we didn't anything else but pass the ball around. I feel we'll play some nice stuff next year. We won't be boring to watch next year. I dont wanna be a bummer for ya, but i genuinely dont thin lil sam is the man for the job. I have absolutley nothing to base it on, but i jut have the niggling feeling that Bolton wont cope without Sam he was just that key to them, proper imposing figure.

lol, i dont even know why am even bother questioning you!! lol you did question sven achievements!! embarressing. I guess that q was aimed at someone who knows omething bout football.

seriously though?

Yep. 100%. :lol: Well done. You are brilliant evidence of the kind of fan that deserves the likes of Souness and Roeder. Why, bearing in mind the actual facts of achievement, would you rather have Fat Heed? Given a straight choice between Allardyce and SGE for NUFC right now - I'd choose Allardyce every time. The club needs an entire overhaul and dragged into the 21st century. I think Allardyce can do this and SGE can't. I may be right or I may be wrong. If you think SGE would be a better choice - fine. That's up to you. My money's on the big man. Don't like it? Tough s***. fair point, everyones entitled to there opinions, even if the are wrong, which yours are!! My overall opinion is that i think SA might well do a good jo,and as a nufc fan ill stand by him, just like i stood by roeder and souness, but i m honestly disheartend by the fact the club has already tripped up at the first hurdle by not showing the type of ambitions this club deserves and lookin for the right appointment, just like liverpool did, just lk arsenal did. That's the thing though. You won't give him a chance or get behind him 100% because deep down you want someone else in charge. No, i'm not 100% behind him, because i don't think he's good enough/the right person. Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm sure there will be 1000's who agree with you. Personally, I think he's exactly what we need. Guess we'll find out in due time. Yes, we will. SA should be judged on certain things fron the start of his tenure, and throughout. If he is the man we get, i'll support him as lomng as he proves his intent from the start. Final question before i go then....do yu think nufc has shown any decent ambition by appionting SA, pretty mc a week before our manage resigns/sacked???

I can honestlysay that i cant hack the idea of long ball at nufc. I really really dont like the way bolton play, effective as it is its just not nufc, although beggars cant be choosers

Yep. 100%. :lol: Well done. You are brilliant evidence of the kind of fan that deserves the likes of Souness and Roeder. Why, bearing in mind the actual facts of achievement, would you rather have Fat Heed? Given a straight choice between Allardyce and SGE for NUFC right now - I'd choose Allardyce every time. The club needs an entire overhaul and dragged into the 21st century. I think Allardyce can do this and SGE can't. I may be right or I may be wrong. If you think SGE would be a better choice - fine. That's up to you. My money's on the big man. Don't like it? Tough s***. fair point, everyones entitled to there opinions, even if the are wrong, which yours are!! My overall opinion is that i think SA might well do a good jo,and as a nufc fan ill stand by him, just like i stood by roeder and souness, but i m honestly disheartend by the fact the club has already tripped up at the first hurdle by not showing the type of ambitions this club deserves and lookin for the right appointment, just like liverpool did, just lk arsenal did. That's the thing though. You won't give him a chance or get behind him 100% because deep down you want someone else in charge. Which is only due to basic human nature. There will always be that thought in the back of your mind that you never wanted him to get the job and wouldn't mind seeing him replaced. Hand on heart I was the same with Souness. Never wanted him to start with but gave him the chance to prove me wrong. He couldn't and I ended up hating the bloke. It's only natural. Fair point, although i think i have gone off on a bit of a tangent, yes sven would be my first choice SA is on my list, dont get me wrong, i just think that the simple facts are that this club hasn't shown ambition at all, and the appiontment of sa over sven is exemplary of that. does anyone of you agree that by appointing SA the club have yet again failed to show any ambition for the future.??

Yep. 100%. :lol: Well done. You are brilliant evidence of the kind of fan that deserves the likes of Souness and Roeder. Why, bearing in mind the actual facts of achievement, would you rather have Fat Heed? Given a straight choice between Allardyce and SGE for NUFC right now - I'd choose Allardyce every time. The club needs an entire overhaul and dragged into the 21st century. I think Allardyce can do this and SGE can't. I may be right or I may be wrong. If you think SGE would be a better choice - fine. That's up to you. My money's on the big man. Don't like it? Tough s***. fair point, everyones entitled to there opinions, even if the are wrong, which yours are!! My overall opinion is that i think SA might well do a good jo,and as a nufc fan ill stand by him, just like i stood by roeder and souness, but i m honestly disheartend by the fact the club has already tripped up at the first hurdle by not showing the type of ambitions this club deserves and lookin for the right appointment, just like liverpool did, just lk arsenal did. Not a lot of people knew who Wenger was before he came to Arsenal. Some Arsenal fans were questioning if he was the right man for the job, but look how wrong they were. And how many good managers are out there now? Free agents, I mean. There's not a lot to choose from. Nobody knows if Sam will do well here, so you really can't say if someone's wrong or right. Time will tell. The thing is, is that Arsenal have such a competent board, David Dein knew what he was lookin for and in wengerhe found it. Dvid dein had the future of the club at heart, not the present. and he pulled it off, if our board was as comptent as arsenals i'd support who they appionted as well. to be fair to him, he achieved everywhere he went, even though he was at minor leagues.

who else is more realistic?

Yep. 100%. :lol: Well done. You are brilliant evidence of the kind of fan that deserves the likes of Souness and Roeder. Why, bearing in mind the actual facts of achievement, would you rather have Fat Heed? Given a straight choice between Allardyce and SGE for NUFC right now - I'd choose Allardyce every time. The club needs an entire overhaul and dragged into the 21st century. I think Allardyce can do this and SGE can't. I may be right or I may be wrong. If you think SGE would be a better choice - fine. That's up to you. My money's on the big man. Don't like it? Tough s***. fair point, everyones entitled to there opinions, even if the are wrong, which yours are!! My overall opinion is that i think SA might well do a good jo,and as a nufc fan ill stand by him, just like i stood by roeder and souness, but i m honestly disheartend by the fact the club has already tripped up at the first hurdle by not showing the type of ambitions this club deserves and lookin for the right appointment, just like liverpool did, just lk arsenal did.

Yep. 100%. :lol: Well done. You are brilliant evidence of the kind of fan that deserves the likes of Souness and Roeder. Why, bearing in mind the actual facts of achievement, would you rather have Fat Heed? yeh, and please dont say the structure he will bring. This structure thing is being over romantiscised. yes it needs to be done, but te new strucutre thing has only become a recent developement in the english game, (Chelsea, Tottenham Bolton...) whos to say that sven wont do the same.

lol, then in essense he got Celtic to the CL final and Rangers to the UEFA cup final.....he achieved what Rnieri couldnt do at england and What Jose is doing in england and has won minor cups with teams like fior, roma pretty much cosistetly throughout his career.

So in essence, you are sayin SA for what he's achieved at Bolton.....one league cup final, one season of europe.....and we say sven for Gothenberg, Uefa Cup, Benfica CL final, Lazio- title, CWC amongst other things.....you still sure?

are you baiting us??? What doesn't impress you?? No. Nearly all of it tbh. lol nuff said, that is an embarrassing comment to make.

He is the only coach to have won the Double (league and cup) in three different countries, Sweden, Portugal and Italy. He also won the UEFA Cup with IFK Göteborg, and took Benfica to the European Cup Final so in portugal he won it with the man u of portugal,in italy he won the league and nearly bankrupted them. i hope you dont hate me for not taking euro domestic cup comps too seriously,after all they dont! didn't really build much did he ? Not being funny, but did he bankrupt Lazio or was it the chairman? surely the finances had to be sanctioned by chairman, for example risdale at leeds, surely o'leary wasn't the one who bankrupt them. The bottom line is that he won things, he did that at all the clubs...to me that sounds like a great formula for a manager.

are you baiting us??? What doesn't impress you??