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Yep. 100%. :lol: Well done. You are brilliant evidence of the kind of fan that deserves the likes of Souness and Roeder. Why, bearing in mind the actual facts of achievement, would you rather have Fat Heed? Given a straight choice between Allardyce and SGE for NUFC right now - I'd choose Allardyce every time. The club needs an entire overhaul and dragged into the 21st century. I think Allardyce can do this and SGE can't. I may be right or I may be wrong. If you think SGE would be a better choice - fine. That's up to you. My money's on the big man. Don't like it? Tough s***. fair point, everyones entitled to there opinions, even if the are wrong, which yours are!! My overall opinion is that i think SA might well do a good jo,and as a nufc fan ill stand by him, just like i stood by roeder and souness, but i m honestly disheartend by the fact the club has already tripped up at the first hurdle by not showing the type of ambitions this club deserves and lookin for the right appointment, just like liverpool did, just lk arsenal did. That's the thing though. You won't give him a chance or get behind him 100% because deep down you want someone else in charge. No, i'm not 100% behind him, because i don't think he's good enough/the right person. Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm sure there will be 1000's who agree with you. Personally, I think he's exactly what we need. Guess we'll find out in due time. Yes, we will. SA should be judged on certain things fron the start of his tenure, and throughout. If he is the man we get, i'll support him as lomng as he proves his intent from the start. Final question before i go then....do yu think nufc has shown any decent ambition by appionting SA, pretty mc a week before our manage resigns/sacked???

I can honestlysay that i cant hack the idea of long ball at nufc. I really really dont like the way bolton play, effective as it is its just not nufc, although beggars cant be choosers

Yep. 100%. :lol: Well done. You are brilliant evidence of the kind of fan that deserves the likes of Souness and Roeder. Why, bearing in mind the actual facts of achievement, would you rather have Fat Heed? Given a straight choice between Allardyce and SGE for NUFC right now - I'd choose Allardyce every time. The club needs an entire overhaul and dragged into the 21st century. I think Allardyce can do this and SGE can't. I may be right or I may be wrong. If you think SGE would be a better choice - fine. That's up to you. My money's on the big man. Don't like it? Tough s***. fair point, everyones entitled to there opinions, even if the are wrong, which yours are!! My overall opinion is that i think SA might well do a good jo,and as a nufc fan ill stand by him, just like i stood by roeder and souness, but i m honestly disheartend by the fact the club has already tripped up at the first hurdle by not showing the type of ambitions this club deserves and lookin for the right appointment, just like liverpool did, just lk arsenal did. That's the thing though. You won't give him a chance or get behind him 100% because deep down you want someone else in charge. Which is only due to basic human nature. There will always be that thought in the back of your mind that you never wanted him to get the job and wouldn't mind seeing him replaced. Hand on heart I was the same with Souness. Never wanted him to start with but gave him the chance to prove me wrong. He couldn't and I ended up hating the bloke. It's only natural. Fair point, although i think i have gone off on a bit of a tangent, yes sven would be my first choice SA is on my list, dont get me wrong, i just think that the simple facts are that this club hasn't shown ambition at all, and the appiontment of sa over sven is exemplary of that. does anyone of you agree that by appointing SA the club have yet again failed to show any ambition for the future.??

Yep. 100%. :lol: Well done. You are brilliant evidence of the kind of fan that deserves the likes of Souness and Roeder. Why, bearing in mind the actual facts of achievement, would you rather have Fat Heed? Given a straight choice between Allardyce and SGE for NUFC right now - I'd choose Allardyce every time. The club needs an entire overhaul and dragged into the 21st century. I think Allardyce can do this and SGE can't. I may be right or I may be wrong. If you think SGE would be a better choice - fine. That's up to you. My money's on the big man. Don't like it? Tough s***. fair point, everyones entitled to there opinions, even if the are wrong, which yours are!! My overall opinion is that i think SA might well do a good jo,and as a nufc fan ill stand by him, just like i stood by roeder and souness, but i m honestly disheartend by the fact the club has already tripped up at the first hurdle by not showing the type of ambitions this club deserves and lookin for the right appointment, just like liverpool did, just lk arsenal did. Not a lot of people knew who Wenger was before he came to Arsenal. Some Arsenal fans were questioning if he was the right man for the job, but look how wrong they were. And how many good managers are out there now? Free agents, I mean. There's not a lot to choose from. Nobody knows if Sam will do well here, so you really can't say if someone's wrong or right. Time will tell. The thing is, is that Arsenal have such a competent board, David Dein knew what he was lookin for and in wengerhe found it. Dvid dein had the future of the club at heart, not the present. and he pulled it off, if our board was as comptent as arsenals i'd support who they appionted as well. to be fair to him, he achieved everywhere he went, even though he was at minor leagues.

who else is more realistic?

Yep. 100%. :lol: Well done. You are brilliant evidence of the kind of fan that deserves the likes of Souness and Roeder. Why, bearing in mind the actual facts of achievement, would you rather have Fat Heed? Given a straight choice between Allardyce and SGE for NUFC right now - I'd choose Allardyce every time. The club needs an entire overhaul and dragged into the 21st century. I think Allardyce can do this and SGE can't. I may be right or I may be wrong. If you think SGE would be a better choice - fine. That's up to you. My money's on the big man. Don't like it? Tough s***. fair point, everyones entitled to there opinions, even if the are wrong, which yours are!! My overall opinion is that i think SA might well do a good jo,and as a nufc fan ill stand by him, just like i stood by roeder and souness, but i m honestly disheartend by the fact the club has already tripped up at the first hurdle by not showing the type of ambitions this club deserves and lookin for the right appointment, just like liverpool did, just lk arsenal did.

Yep. 100%. :lol: Well done. You are brilliant evidence of the kind of fan that deserves the likes of Souness and Roeder. Why, bearing in mind the actual facts of achievement, would you rather have Fat Heed? yeh, and please dont say the structure he will bring. This structure thing is being over romantiscised. yes it needs to be done, but te new strucutre thing has only become a recent developement in the english game, (Chelsea, Tottenham Bolton...) whos to say that sven wont do the same.

lol, then in essense he got Celtic to the CL final and Rangers to the UEFA cup final.....he achieved what Rnieri couldnt do at england and What Jose is doing in england and has won minor cups with teams like fior, roma pretty much cosistetly throughout his career.

So in essence, you are sayin SA for what he's achieved at Bolton.....one league cup final, one season of europe.....and we say sven for Gothenberg, Uefa Cup, Benfica CL final, Lazio- title, CWC amongst other things.....you still sure?

are you baiting us??? What doesn't impress you?? No. Nearly all of it tbh. lol nuff said, that is an embarrassing comment to make.

He is the only coach to have won the Double (league and cup) in three different countries, Sweden, Portugal and Italy. He also won the UEFA Cup with IFK Göteborg, and took Benfica to the European Cup Final so in portugal he won it with the man u of portugal,in italy he won the league and nearly bankrupted them. i hope you dont hate me for not taking euro domestic cup comps too seriously,after all they dont! didn't really build much did he ? Not being funny, but did he bankrupt Lazio or was it the chairman? surely the finances had to be sanctioned by chairman, for example risdale at leeds, surely o'leary wasn't the one who bankrupt them. The bottom line is that he won things, he did that at all the clubs...to me that sounds like a great formula for a manager.

are you baiting us??? What doesn't impress you??

Uefa cup qual and mybe a decent cup run, QF f a cup would be fine. My opinions change for the next season though, if SA were in charge i'd want the same to be honest. If sven were in charge id want to see us push further up the table and want the same decent cup run. Reason....because i know what sven is capable of, and i dont know what SA is capabl of.

i want the swede. Sven over SA any day of the week. He eem to be the only 2 who were 100% in the runing

Sven, realistically. Simple. say there is definetely 2 available, Sven and Sam. That is 100% undisputable, on what basis are you choosing Sam over Sven.

Agree compltely with Northern Monkey. He's got it spot on. It's hardly relevant what names are said, every single manger we could menion would have his flaws somewhere or other. Hitzfed - no PL experience, Scolari - Same, Sven what happened at england, etc etc....it could go on forever....if i was to put my neck out a someone completely 100% realistic but in that list of elite mangers, i'd say sven. Forget about his personal life, forget all the crappy jokes forget about england for a second, what he's achieved at club level puts him on that list of managerial 'hot property.' Surely? Allardyce is just as risky onthe basis that he hasn't won nything, he's not manged under amazng pressure, ver manged for a clu this size...againe list could go on, but for me this club should go for proven record, dnt give me Dalglish and Souness, they haven't achived anythin nearly as comparable to Sven...even qf of a major interantional tournament would be beyond them.

ok, so id ont seem to be gettin much support, fair enough. ill stick with my hopes for the club, am just wondering, with the scenario i gave you, supposing after the 5 years boss was sacked (consistent top 8 finish with a cup) and a new one was comin in, what would your expectations of (a) who the cahirman next apionts and (b) where we should be going next. Because if either of your answers are (a) top class manager or (b) higher up the league, then we are now, then your hopes for the clubs are the same as mine. only mine are now. Only with the golden oppurtunity we have at the mo, it would be foolish not to even consider looking for the top class maanger in the first place. (Remember, the list of managers who said they would love to manage in the EPL) It is a realistic prospect. in my opinion, SA is coming 3 years to late.

I'd like us to win as many games as possible. Don't care how we win them. I'm not kidding myself, it'll take a few years to sort this club out but if he puts things in place - success in the League will follow. While we're waiting, a Cup win would be much appreciated. Would you rather us play pretty football, finishing 5th and winning nowt? f*** that - want to celebrate something. that is shockingly blingsighted, of course i would prefer the cosistent top 5 with great football. Do you not see how important it is to estabilish the club for the future. Making this club more attractive to any top class manager is my priority, one who would take usto that next step on wininng that important trophy. But to say you'd prfer crap football with mid table prosperity is absurd at which point are we realising our potential??? shocking

really?? lol, you've blown me apart there, pretty shocked by that, in 5 years time you'd be happy with stillbeing a mid table team? So in essence you'd prefer a team like spuds when george graham was in charge to newcastle when SBR was in charge???

My other main concern is about ppls ambitions for this club, and one of the most overly used phrases which makes me so angry is "newcastle haven't won a trophy is 38years", it is such a terrible trap to set yourself, i think its hugely important for a club like this to winthings, but for me, i fear that if SA is the man to finally win a trophy, how long will you be happy for, surely you cant sack a nufc trophy winner??? Which would you prefer in 5 years time....consistent top 8 finishes playin turgid football and winning the league cup, or potentially what Sam may achieve (purely hypothetical and unfouded) or Consistent top 5 finishes for the next 5 year playing great football but not quite reaching the peak of a cup tournament.....(a la SBR) For me it is the second one, it pains me to say that i would sacrifice silverware, but for me having the club in that sort of position consistely really gets the passion flowing. Anyone who wants the first one is either really really old, or lacks the ambition this club SHOULD be having.

Is anyone concerned at all by the type of football SA might bring to the club?? It;s another major concer for me. People seem to be putting over emphasis on the structure he will bring to this club. It's a structure that i honestly belive Roeder was gonna bring to this club....scouting etc, i think ppl over ovr romantising this fact. At this point i am feeling disheartened, i think that a precious oppurtunity to really see a top class renowned coach has faded because FS has shot his load too soon. The fact that he hasn't even attemtped (as far as i can see) to see what is available to him, and there is no doubt that there are some. off all those managers who say thy would like to mange in the remiership, (koeman, Houllier, Big Phil, Sven, Ramos,Capello, lippi, hitzfeld Hiddink etc....) Is everyone who genuinely thinks that SA is the right man for the job believe that not one of the manager emntioned above haven't got the ambition to stretch outside coaching one of the top 4 clubs, i think tat with a bit of loo you might find a couple, and for the club to not even investigate the possiblity is shocking. It's the same attitude which has typified the state that the club is in at the moment.

How can anyone be happy that this club has basically appionted a manager that has turned us down twice, in essence appionted before we lost our former manager, who is unproven at a big club and hasn't got a team that is by now accepted UEFA cup hopefuls to be consistently get in the competition. only once have they qualified. Why is the minority unhappy that the club has yet again not shown any ambition at all?

Agreed with Seattle. I would be happy with SA to an extent because he will give the club what it needs badly...OFF the pitch. just thnk that the oppurtunity to appiont a manager doesn't come every so often. So when it does, i tink its uninspring when we go for a manager one week after losing our last one. To not even attempt to look at the potentials out there, is absurd in my opinion. OF all the managers whohave openely stated that they would like to manage in EPL one time, are you sayin to me that their ambitions are only stretched to managing the top 4? I am 100% certain that there is one manger out there who has ambitions to manage this diamond in the rough.

I guess what it comes down to is people personal opinions on who is better of sven or SA? In my opinion, Sven is proven everywhere, at club level. Dont get me wrong, i beleive SA will turn out to be a good appointemtn, i just prayed this time that newcastle looked for a great appionment. which hasn't been the case. Svenhas done it everywhere his club CV is immaculate, (anyone, who compares him to Souness and Dalglish needs a slap), he has the proven pedigree to gt a team to the later stages of a major cp competition. Something which knowone below the top 4 has achieved, (Mclaren didn't do it consistently and was largely lucky.) How anyone can put SA above Sven is beyond me.

i am the first to rule out Hiddink, for me they are managers who the top 4 will be lookin to, tbh, for me its between Sven adn SA and to rule out a class manger who does in actuall fact have managerial skill would be bizarre. There are so many managers who say they would like to manage in england sometime. Surely not everyone's ambitios are to manage to top 4 exclusiely??? All i am simply tryin to point out is the lack of ambition this club actually has if after only one week of speculation we are already going for SA, rather than pursuing a different direction. Like i said, i hate the fact that this club had SA nailed on for the job as soon as he became available even though we had a manager. Reeked of desperation. Does anyone genuinely think SVEn couldn't get us into the top4? Does anyon genuinely belive SA is a better manager than Sven? Supposing nufc were to be in the exact same situation 3 years down the line we eithe SA or Sven, who do you thik the next manager would like to take over from, sven or SA? assume we wee consistenly top 6? Feel likeam going onto a bit of a tangent, gonna go lie down rest head.