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But then people complain about the silence? Is there no one out there who mightbelieve that thisistheclubs reaction to the fans wanting more communication? I don't think we need to know exactly which player we've bid for and how much, that might be taking things too far. Anyway, I'm starting to think this is all a smokescreen, we are probably bidding on a totally different player. It makes no sense to get everyone's hopes up unless everything is more or less tied up. Does the club know this though? So you believe him when he says he's bid £5m? Maybe it isnt the game of checkers that everyone seems to think it is, i think the clubs been very clever with the way they've conducted transfers in the past, i see no reason why it should beany different now. That's just it...it is different to how they've done things. With Guttierez and Coloccini no one had a clue and the club kept their cards very close to their chest. Even when the modric bid was made, Mort who was the chairman kept his mouth shut until it was leaked from the Croatian end. That's what makes me think this is probably a smokescreen. But the statemnt they released after ht ekeegan debacle said he was not allowed to talk about transfers, now kinnear IS allowed, is there no possbility that they are allowing this as a reaction to some of the fan wanting more communication? Fans want more communication from the owner and his chairman, to tell us of their plans, hopes and expectations, I don't think it's expected that every transfer target should be publicised. If the policy of managers not being allowed to discuss transfer targets was there it was there for a reason. I don't see any reason that would be changed if it was in the club's interest. Which leads back to my original post, do the club know this? The fans wanted more commuication, and now they're getting it on an issue which was a contentiuos one over the summer. Im not saying that the club are being gracious to us or whatsoever, all im saying is that the fans havent got exactly what they want and they're complaining of the fact. I don't think the club are so stupid to assume the fans wanted JK blabbing about signings he hasn't made yet. If they want to communicate why doesn't Llambias open his mouth now and then? Wouldn't that be a better way to actually communicate? There's no reason to logically believe that that isnt what the fans want?

But then people complain about the silence? Is there no one out there who mightbelieve that thisistheclubs reaction to the fans wanting more communication? I don't think we need to know exactly which player we've bid for and how much, that might be taking things too far. Anyway, I'm starting to think this is all a smokescreen, we are probably bidding on a totally different player. It makes no sense to get everyone's hopes up unless everything is more or less tied up. Does the club know this though? So you believe him when he says he's bid £5m? Maybe it isnt the game of checkers that everyone seems to think it is, i think the clubs been very clever with the way they've conducted transfers in the past, i see no reason why it should beany different now. That's just it...it is different to how they've done things. With Guttierez and Coloccini no one had a clue and the club kept their cards very close to their chest. Even when the modric bid was made, Mort who was the chairman kept his mouth shut until it was leaked from the Croatian end. That's what makes me think this is probably a smokescreen. But the statemnt they released after ht ekeegan debacle said he was not allowed to talk about transfers, now kinnear IS allowed, is there no possbility that they are allowing this as a reaction to some of the fan wanting more communication? Fans want more communication from the owner and his chairman, to tell us of their plans, hopes and expectations, I don't think it's expected that every transfer target should be publicised. If the policy of managers not being allowed to discuss transfer targets was there it was there for a reason. I don't see any reason that would be changed if it was in the club's interest. Which leads back to my original post, do the club know this? The fans wanted more commuication, and now they're getting it on an issue which was a contentiuos one over the summer. Im not saying that the club are being gracious to us or whatsoever, all im saying is that the fans havent got exactly what they want and they're complaining of the fact.

But then people complain about the silence? Is there no one out there who mightbelieve that thisistheclubs reaction to the fans wanting more communication? I don't think we need to know exactly which player we've bid for and how much, that might be taking things too far. Anyway, I'm starting to think this is all a smokescreen, we are probably bidding on a totally different player. It makes no sense to get everyone's hopes up unless everything is more or less tied up. Does the club know this though? So you believe him when he says he's bid £5m? Maybe it isnt the game of checkers that everyone seems to think it is, i think the clubs been very clever with the way they've conducted transfers in the past, i see no reason why it should beany different now. That's just it...it is different to how they've done things. With Guttierez and Coloccini no one had a clue and the club kept their cards very close to their chest. Even when the modric bid was made, Mort who was the chairman kept his mouth shut until it was leaked from the Croatian end. That's what makes me think this is probably a smokescreen. But the statemnt they released after ht ekeegan debacle said he was not allowed to talk about transfers, now kinnear IS allowed, is there no possbility that they are allowing this as a reaction to some of the fan wanting more communication?

You only have to look at our CB's to see that you can get shite (Colo) for huge £££'s & a good centre back for less than £2 million (Bassong). But the clubs that win stuff show you have to spend big to compete. thats it in a nutshell. So difficult to comprehend for some, but so basic. The only team in the top 5 who have 2 proven world class centre half parnterships before they were signed were Chelsea with Carvhallo and Terry, what does that say about spending big to compete? Liverpool Carragher Hyypia Man U Ferdinand Vidic Chelsea Terry Carvahllo/Alex Arsenal Gallas Toure Villa Laursen Davies Stop turning this winning lark into such a simple equation its not. Sure it helps, but the evidence suggests that it helps as much as being frugal with your money and finding your gems. The real key is finding the rght manager to put it all together, something we've failed to do now for 5 years. As for Colo "being shit" i beg to differ, he's had some very iffy moments ill give but he's definitely not allowed his value to slip. I'm not sure where you found that Spence quote, but he;s done it again, well done Spence, you've managed to write so much but so little in a post yet again, in fact you've even managed to contradict yourself in the same sentence. Thats no mean feat. Spending big = success, good players but in the very same sentence Spending big on Colo = shit player. Make up your mind. So Chelsea, Manu, Liverpool have spent all that money when there has been no need to ? Do you think their managers will be sacked for their gross incompetence ? Nope but they've got into a position where they can look to spend big money. If we went out and spent £30m on a centre half right now, id go apoplectic. Do you know why? If you read my post you'll see that i said that being frugal and searching for the gems is equally important as buying big. Bolded in case you miss it the second time round. Do you disagree with that? you've changed your stance somewhat. I actually havent, but you have by the looks of this post. What is it you think I've changed?

Fucking hell, what a mentalist beats me why so many people read the shite that she puts out, never mind the rag full stop I bet you were enjoying it until you got to this bit though: I do remember some people claiming that Phil Gartside was a good chairman. Don't really know where they got the idea from, probably on account of the fact that Allardyce did a great job at Bolton, who then promoted Sammy Lee, like lots of other chairman who appoint number 2's into the number 1. Scraping the barrel a bit there, arent you?

But then people complain about the silence? Is there no one out there who mightbelieve that thisistheclubs reaction to the fans wanting more communication? I don't think we need to know exactly which player we've bid for and how much, that might be taking things too far. Anyway, I'm starting to think this is all a smokescreen, we are probably bidding on a totally different player. It makes no sense to get everyone's hopes up unless everything is more or less tied up. Does the club know this though? So you believe him when he says he's bid £5m? Maybe it isnt the game of checkers that everyone seems to think it is, i think the clubs been very clever with the way they've conducted transfers in the past, i see no reason why it should beany different now.

You only have to look at our CB's to see that you can get shite (Colo) for huge £££'s & a good centre back for less than £2 million (Bassong). But the clubs that win stuff show you have to spend big to compete. thats it in a nutshell. So difficult to comprehend for some, but so basic. The only team in the top 5 who have 2 proven world class centre half parnterships before they were signed were Chelsea with Carvhallo and Terry, what does that say about spending big to compete? Liverpool Carragher Hyypia Man U Ferdinand Vidic Chelsea Terry Carvahllo/Alex Arsenal Gallas Toure Villa Laursen Davies Stop turning this winning lark into such a simple equation its not. Sure it helps, but the evidence suggests that it helps as much as being frugal with your money and finding your gems. The real key is finding the rght manager to put it all together, something we've failed to do now for 5 years. As for Colo "being shit" i beg to differ, he's had some very iffy moments ill give but he's definitely not allowed his value to slip. I'm not sure where you found that Spence quote, but he;s done it again, well done Spence, you've managed to write so much but so little in a post yet again, in fact you've even managed to contradict yourself in the same sentence. Thats no mean feat. Spending big = success, good players but in the very same sentence Spending big on Colo = shit player. Make up your mind. So Chelsea, Manu, Liverpool have spent all that money when there has been no need to ? Do you think their managers will be sacked for their gross incompetence ? Nope but they've got into a position where they can look to spend big money. If we went out and spent £30m on a centre half right now, id go apoplectic. Do you know why? If you read my post you'll see that i said that being frugal and searching for the gems is equally important as buying big. Bolded in case you miss it the second time round. Do you disagree with that?

I dont understand this - we believe him when theres something negative to be contrived out of what he says, but if theres something positive is said no one believes the bullshitter. I believe that he's bent the truth at times, or said stuff prematurely only for things not to go to plan... but he'd be a bit silly to say we've bid for someone when we haven't. So where does that fit into the views that he;s telling the absolute truth about what we;ve bid and how much we've got to spend?

I dont understand this - we believe him when theres something negative to be contrived out of what he says, but if theres something positive is said no one believes the bullshitter. this is called mistrust., its the fault of MIKE ASHLEY. Golly, you're so tender. You sound like a woman who doesnt trust her bloke.

But then people complain about the silence? Is there no one out there who mightbelieve that thisistheclubs reaction to the fans wanting more communication?

I dont understand this - we believe him when theres something negative to be contrived out of what he says, but if theres something positive is said no one believes the bullshitter.

Gone all quiet on the LB front, have know idea whats going in the clubs mind, we have Taylor, Beye and Edgar who can play effectively on the right and yet we put in a bid for another RB and we only have Erique on the left.

Neither can I, although he'd be useful for the next two months. He'll want big wages and we'll have two 30yr olds fighting for one spot next season. Thats the way i see it as well. The only thing that i can think which is interesting the club is that he's prem proven and isnt costing loads so means there more willing to take on his big wages as opposed to him being on big wages and costing big money.

Neill is a good player but a bit old isnt he? Also on big wages, cant see the sense if going after him.

You only have to look at our CB's to see that you can get s**** (Colo) for huge £££'s & a good centre back for less than £2 million (Bassong). But the clubs that win stuff show you have to spend big to compete. thats it in a nutshell. So difficult to comprehend for some, but so basic. The only team in the top 5 who have 2 proven world class centre half parnterships before they were signed were Chelsea with Carvhallo and Terry, what does that say about spending big to compete? Liverpool Carragher Hyypia Man U Ferdinand Vidic Chelsea Terry Carvahllo/Alex Arsenal Gallas Toure Villa Laursen Davies Stop turning this winning lark into such a simple equation its not. Sure it helps, but the evidence suggests that it helps as much as being frugal with your money and finding your gems. The real key is finding the rght manager to put it all together, something we've failed to do now for 5 years. As for Colo "being s***" i beg to differ, he's had some very iffy moments ill give but he's definitely not allowed his value to slip. I'm not sure where you found that Spence quote, but he;s done it again, well done Spence, you've managed to write so much but so little in a post yet again, in fact you've even managed to contradict yourself in the same sentence. Thats no mean feat. Spending big = success, good players but in the very same sentence Spending big on Colo = s*** player. Make up your mind. Terry was a Chelsea academy boy. Good point.

You only have to look at our CB's to see that you can get shite (Colo) for huge £££'s & a good centre back for less than £2 million (Bassong). But the clubs that win stuff show you have to spend big to compete. thats it in a nutshell. So difficult to comprehend for some, but so basic. The only team in the top 5 who have 2 proven world class centre half parnterships before they were signed were Chelsea with Carvhallo and Terry, what does that say about spending big to compete? Liverpool Carragher Hyypia Man U Ferdinand Vidic Chelsea Terry Carvahllo/Alex Arsenal Gallas Toure Villa Laursen Davies Stop turning this winning lark into such a simple equation its not. Sure it helps, but the evidence suggests that it helps as much as being frugal with your money and finding your gems. The real key is finding the rght manager to put it all together, something we've failed to do now for 5 years. As for Colo "being shit" i beg to differ, he's had some very iffy moments ill give but he's definitely not allowed his value to slip. I'm not sure where you found that Spence quote, but he;s done it again, well done Spence, you've managed to write so much but so little in a post yet again, in fact you've even managed to contradict yourself in the same sentence. Thats no mean feat. Spending big = success, good players but in the very same sentence Spending big on Colo = shit player. Make up your mind.

*takes a bow* Took me hours. On another note, I'd be rather pi**ed off if M'Bia joins Newcastle; for obvious reasons. Although, as soon as he started drivelling out utter dogs**t about how he wanted to feed his family back in Africa, then my estimation of him dropped. For those reasons alone id love to pull off this transfer, beating another club to a trasnfer is one of the games sweetest momenets, i dont care how much it back fired on us eventually, i fucking loved it when we beat spurs to Duff.

*takes a bow*

The only thing that is important is that the squad is improved, if the squd is visibly improved by the end of this window i would be more happier if we'd spent £5k then i would if we'd spent £15m becasue that way it would prove the effectiveness and value of this set up and system. And if changes were unsuccessful I'd give Ashley much more credit for committing money to it than not. Good players are good players, if they fail when they come here it has nothing to do with there transfer fee. the only picture that people should be considering is how much the squad is improved. The fact that a £10m failure would be more accpetable than a £10k failure says alot about you're way of thinking. I didnt relaise you were from the NE5 school of thinking. Expenisve players = good players Cheap players = shit players. thats effectively what you;re saying. Presumably in your world, Man Utd and Chelsea winning everything is in no way linked to the amount of money they spend. My god, you've cracked it, in order to be the best teams in the world, you need to go for the best players in the world. So what if you;re not in a position to compete for the top players - then what? Is your master plan that we go for the most expensive we can afford? Is that it? Well done sir, have a banana.

The only thing that is important is that the squad is improved, if the squd is visibly improved by the end of this window i would be more happier if we'd spent £5k then i would if we'd spent £15m becasue that way it would prove the effectiveness and value of this set up and system. And if changes were unsuccessful I'd give Ashley much more credit for committing money to it than not. Good players are good players, if they fail when they come here it has nothing to do with there transfer fee. the only picture that people should be considering is how much the squad is improved. The fact that a £10m failure would be more accpetable than a £10k failure says alot about you're way of thinking. I didnt relaise you were from the NE5 school of thinking. Expenisve players = good players Cheap players = shit players. thats effectively what you;re saying. Not at all. Better players generally cost more money. This is indisputable; even the crappiest club knows when it has a decent player on its hands and can attempt to fleece a Premier League club. Ashley has spent hardly anything so far, and to me that signifies a lack of ambition for the club. I'm not demanding we spend loads and loads of money, far from it. All I'm saying is that if we spend £10m net this window and keep players like Shay Given, not only will it almost guarantee a decent calibre of player coming in, it will be a major sign of commitment from our owner to me. A sign that perhaps he wasn't lying the other week when he said he was committed to moving us forward again. A sign that he wants to see us progress out of the mire. A sign that he's willing to invest in the playing staff. If we can improve the squad for pennies then brilliant. I'd then want to know where that money saved is going. Thats fair enough but its diluting the fact that the only important hing is that the squad improves. Thats it. Thats all there is to complain about, if it does then kudos to the club if it doesnt then we have a problem. the whole point to this sytem and structure is that we look for thenot so obvious players, the ones that slip under the radar, the ones that arent comneding a huge fee but the potential to do so. Every single player out there has a starting value of £0m. If all we were doing was looking for the more estabilished players who are making strides into world football then there'd be no point to the system. I see a point in NUFC history when we should be going for the £10m season after season, but i dont think the time is now, becasue £10m+ geneally demand higher wages.

The only thing that is important is that the squad is improved, if the squd is visibly improved by the end of this window i would be more happier if we'd spent £5k then i would if we'd spent £15m becasue that way it would prove the effectiveness and value of this set up and system. And if changes were unsuccessful I'd give Ashley much more credit for committing money to it than not. Good players are good players, if they fail when they come here it has nothing to do with there transfer fee. the only picture that people should be considering is how much the squad is improved. The fact that a £10m failure would be more accpetable than a £10k failure says alot about you're way of thinking. I didnt relaise you were from the NE5 school of thinking. Expenisve players = good players Cheap players = shit players. thats effectively what you;re saying.

The only thing that is important is that the squad is improved, if the squd is visibly improved by the end of this window i would be more happier if we'd spent £5k then i would if we'd spent £15m becasue that way it would prove the effectiveness and value of this set up and system.

£8-10m will stand up to most clubs transfer budget in Jan, the most we've ever spent is £11m. Quite frankly i dont care if we end up making a profit this window providing the squads improved. For January under normal circumstances its good money, but for us right now it isnt, more needs to be invested as we need quality players brought here so the likes of Nicky Butt dont get a look in. So what has how much we spend got to do with this? Like i say, i dont care if we end up making aprofit providing the quality of the squad is improved.

Is the game of bluff over? What?