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It was a crap performance mostly and very jammy but why wouldn’t you be more pleased with the draw than defeat? It was (tightly or wrongly) in the rules. Because Bruce is lucky and going to get praised again foolishly? I mean yeah that’s annoying but why care too much about that? 😂

This is like paying for a prostitute and acting as though you actually conquered a woman. The result is the result, but this was given and not earned.

That’s a cracking analogy but doesn’t explain why a defeat is more pleasing. I’m not ecstatic at all but I’ll take the point as whoever is our manager, I don’t want us relegated.

Understood, but personally I am describing why I derive no true pleasure from this at all, not describing why I would prefer the team to lose. This also gives me no pleasure. Some people on here actively support the team to fail, which is their right, but I am not one of these people, frankly. At the end of the season, one more point is appreciated, but when that match ended, my initial reaction was anger at the state of officiating in the sport, tbh.

Fair enough, to be honest I agree. I don’t get much pleasure from this but getting a point was some slight relief as I feel we’re in for a tough season. And I guess it was kind of amusing if nothing else. Just seems some people as you say want the team to lose, which I agree is their right but likewise I gain no pleasure from that.

It was a crap performance mostly and very jammy but why wouldn’t you be more pleased with the draw than defeat? It was (tightly or wrongly) in the rules. Because Bruce is lucky and going to get praised again foolishly? I mean yeah that’s annoying but why care too much about that? 😂

This is like paying for a prostitute and acting as though you actually conquered a woman. The result is the result, but this was given and not earned.

That’s a cracking analogy but doesn’t explain why a defeat is more pleasing. I’m not ecstatic at all but I’ll take the point as whoever is our manager, I don’t want us relegated.

 

My hope is that doing badly enough means we have to change manager before it's too late and we manage to stumble on someone even half decent. Hard to imagine anyone worse than Bruce. Although, knowing Ashley he'd probably manage it.

I can’t see anyone decent coming in with Ashley in charge. Bruce is sadly the sort of manager we’d expect. For all his flaws he’s some good spells/seasons. Not like he’s of John Carver ilk.

It was a crap performance mostly and very jammy but why wouldn’t you be more pleased with the draw than defeat? It was (tightly or wrongly) in the rules. Because Bruce is lucky and going to get praised again foolishly? I mean yeah that’s annoying but why care too much about that? 😂

 

Because the manager is terrible and at this point almost anyone else would be better. He shouldn't be in the job.

I don’t rate the manager or disagree he shouldn’t be in the job, but I’m not going to be annoyed at a point away to Spurs, jammy as it was. If it looked like Bruce leaving was imminent and we’d get a top manager in then fair enough... but can’t see either of those happening soon. Anyway many fans don’t rate their own managers but that’s football - no point letting it ruin everything.

It was a crap performance mostly and very jammy but why wouldn’t you be more pleased with the draw than defeat? It was (tightly or wrongly) in the rules. Because Bruce is lucky and going to get praised again foolishly? I mean yeah that’s annoying but why care too much about that? 😂

This is like paying for a prostitute and acting as though you actually conquered a woman. The result is the result, but this was given and not earned.

That’s a cracking analogy but doesn’t explain why a defeat is more pleasing. I’m not ecstatic at all but I’ll take the point as whoever is our manager, I don’t want us relegated.

It was a crap performance mostly and very jammy but why wouldn’t you be more pleased with the draw than defeat? It was (tightly or wrongly) in the rules. Because Bruce is lucky and going to get praised again foolishly? I mean yeah that’s annoying but why care too much about that? 😂

Still sticking what I said before about him deserving praise if things go well, but thankfully I’m more than happy to criticise him when he has a shocker. He decided to set us up exactly the same way as he did last week against a completely different team. If you need good evidence for why he’s not a good manager, there you have it.

 

Also I don’t care that Carroll is a local lad and loves the Toon; he’s still crap. Poor handling of Almiron so far.

I really wouldn’t bother with him. If you don’t get it by now you’re a wum or incapable of understanding truth

 

The arrogance of this post lol.

 

A LV special.

Yeah, irony as well. 😂

I really wouldn’t bother with him. If you don’t get it by now you’re a wum or incapable of understanding truth

What a ridiculous post. I’ve made some perfectly reasonable points I appreciate not everyone will agree with and all you can say is I ‘don’t get it’ and must be a ‘win’ or ‘incapable of understanding the truth’. Thanks for showing me why I’m wrong.

 

I don’t think Steve Bruce should ‘f**k off’ and am really upset because he’s kissing his boss’s arse. I just don’t care. I don’t rate him as a manager or admire him as a bloke but he hasn’t done horrible things here and I’m happy to praise him if things go well. Sorry that’s not acceptable here.

Also why all the hatred?

 

 

Exactly.

But why does that lead to such levels hatred and hostility? Does Lascelles get the same? He’s talking about his boss. I personally don’t really care. It’s not a disgraceful and insulting thing to the fans etc. I’d rather he didn’t say that, but stuff like that still gets blown out of proportion. If someone is not a fan of the bloke anyway then people will react worse to fairly harmless stuff.

Barely posted on here but enjoy reading the posts. I find the differing views on Rafa and Bruce across the fan base groups interesting.

 

Personally I loved Rafa. A very smart tactician who engaged superbly with the fans. Definitely did a fine job under limited resources and I agree with anyone who says he was poorly backed. I also don’t think he’s a miracle worker though and hasn’t been ‘world class’ for years (you’d think he’d be doing better in China if so). Finishing mid-table after promotion isn’t miraculous given how poor most of the league is and at times we were very poor at home. If things didn’t go well he’d always have the lack of investment defence that Bruce doesn’t get, but he still had a better squad. I mean Joelinton wasn’t an upgrade on Rondon and Perez, £40m or not. Obviously some more freedom would have helped, but personally we weren’t astonishing in the Championship - should have walked that league imo. I think he still has limitations even with stronger players basically.

 

As with Bruce, well I’m not a fan like everyone else here but why do people get annoyed about him receiving praise when things go well? That’s how it works with managers - the team does well and they get praised generally. For all his tactical limitations and at times horrendous football, the players are playing for him so fair play. It may not work long-term but I think he’s getting some things right.

 

Also why all the hatred? Sure if the Saudis came in we’d have him replaced, but why should he ‘f**k off’ as opposed to be replaced? He hasn’t done anything unpleasant here. Is it because he’s a yes man? Backed better than Rafa? Left a team none of us care about because they wanted more compensation? All true but I can’t say they bother me about him - I’m just really indifferent to him.

 

If you don’t know by now or can’t see it, you never will.

 

So, it’s pointless answering you.

 

As Lao Tzu said ‘The water in the well cannot contemplate the ocean’

Not sure what you’re trying to say mate? See what? I’m perfectly open to being proven wrong but either why I’m interested in seeing why people’s views differ as I only know so much in fairness. However, I feel I made some fair points... if they’re wrong I’m happy to hear why.

Barely posted on here but enjoy reading the posts. I find the differing views on Rafa and Bruce across the fan base groups interesting.

 

Personally I loved Rafa. A very smart tactician who engaged superbly with the fans. Definitely did a fine job under limited resources and I agree with anyone who says he was poorly backed. I also don’t think he’s a miracle worker though and hasn’t been ‘world class’ for years (you’d think he’d be doing better in China if so). Finishing mid-table after promotion isn’t miraculous given how poor most of the league is and at times we were very poor at home. If things didn’t go well he’d always have the lack of investment defence that Bruce doesn’t get, but he still had a better squad. I mean Joelinton wasn’t an upgrade on Rondon and Perez, £40m or not. Obviously some more freedom would have helped, but personally we weren’t astonishing in the Championship - should have walked that league imo. I think he still has limitations even with stronger players basically.

 

As with Bruce, well I’m not a fan like everyone else here but why do people get annoyed about him receiving praise when things go well? That’s how it works with managers - the team does well and they get praised generally. For all his tactical limitations and at times horrendous football, the players are playing for him so fair play. It may not work long-term but I think he’s getting some things right.

 

Also why all the hatred? Sure if the Saudis came in we’d have him replaced, but why should he ‘f**k off’ as opposed to be replaced? He hasn’t done anything unpleasant here. Is it because he’s a yes man? Backed better than Rafa? Left a team none of us care about because they wanted more compensation? All true but I can’t say they bother me about him - I’m just really indifferent to him.

 

Interesting post. Some good points made.

Great post, however the Bruce comments I personally feel are wrong.  Bruce continually mentioned Rafa either directly or indirectly and put him down at every opportunity.  "This team only know how to play one way".  I mean come on, that comment alone was slanderous.  Bruce couldn't lace Rafa's boots and anyone who thinks otherwise just don't comprehend football and the tactics involved.

Yeah I agree Bruce couldn’t lace Rafa’s boots and good points on the comments, but I don’t think he was being slanderous personally; at least not consciously making digs. He’s not the smartest with how he presents himself in the media, but to me that reads more like a poor excuse for himself than a dig at Rafa, hence why he was prepared to adopt his formation for a while.

Barely posted on here but enjoy reading the posts. I find the differing views on Rafa and Bruce across the fan base groups interesting.

 

Personally I loved Rafa. A very smart tactician who engaged superbly with the fans. Definitely did a fine job under limited resources and I agree with anyone who says he was poorly backed. I also don’t think he’s a miracle worker though and hasn’t been ‘world class’ for years (you’d think he’d be doing better in China if so). Finishing mid-table after promotion isn’t miraculous given how poor most of the league is and at times we were very poor at home. If things didn’t go well he’d always have the lack of investment defence that Bruce doesn’t get, but he still had a better squad. I mean Joelinton wasn’t an upgrade on Rondon and Perez, £40m or not. Obviously some more freedom would have helped, but personally we weren’t astonishing in the Championship - should have walked that league imo. I think he still has limitations even with stronger players basically.

 

As with Bruce, well I’m not a fan like everyone else here but why do people get annoyed about him receiving praise when things go well? That’s how it works with managers - the team does well and they get praised generally. For all his tactical limitations and at times horrendous football, the players are playing for him so fair play. It may not work long-term but I think he’s getting some things right.

 

Also why all the hatred? Sure if the Saudis came in we’d have him replaced, but why should he ‘f**k off’ as opposed to be replaced? He hasn’t done anything unpleasant here. Is it because he’s a yes man? Backed better than Rafa? Left a team none of us care about because they wanted more compensation? All true but I can’t say they bother me about him - I’m just really indifferent to him.

To be fair I can’t speak for early in his career, but he doesn’t have a terrible record at any of those clubs surely. I think he did well at Birmingham City. He’s probably for what it’s worth a decent ‘man manager’, but his tactical limitations won’t get him anywhere long-term. He shouldn’t be our manager long-term, but he’s not done anything despicable and I don’t want him to ‘f*** off’ - just get replaced with Poch tbh.

He’s just deeply average and sums up how deeply average we are.

 

He's not average. He's got the worst PL win % in history, he's won nothing. He's shocking but has the odd purple patch here and there. Considering his whole managerial career he's well, well below average.

The stat I read is he has the second worst number of points from managers who have managed over 250 matches.

 

Regardless, that doesn't say a lot. There can't be many managers who are worse than 'average' to manage that many matches imo and he's never managed great sides - perhaps that's because the better clubs have realised he isn't better than average, but it's still a flawed way to judge him. I'd say average is about right - he isn't good, but there have been a heck of a lot worse that I'm sure players he's managed would agree to.

New to posting here but found it interesting how views on Bruce differ across different online forums etc. Personally I'm not a fan and nor am I prepared to be fooled by a string of good results (and at times performances for that matter) when his track record shows his limitations. Having said that, I also don't really think he's despicable either if you can leave aside the classless way he left Sheffield Wednesday, but ultimately it didn't really affect me and I can understand why he and I'm sure other managers would do likewise, so I'm not overly angered by that.

 

I think he generally comes across well in interviews even if I don't agree with him; certainly don't think he says anything disgraceful. I don't mind him hitting back at the initial reaction to him when he's getting decent enough results and I don't mind him reacting angrily to the Daily Mail over false rumours about his relationship with ASM etc. It's also fair enough people praise him at least now as I actually feel he's generally been getting things right since he changed the formation just before lockdown to suit his tactics (guess we'll see long-term to what extent he has them, if he stays). Whereas it frustrated me months ago because we were overly reliant on luck and Dubraka's heroics, I don't have many complaints currently.

 

That doesn't mean I think he will keep the good form going long-term as history has shown his limitations. Unless he does something miraculous in the last few games, I won't feel too sorry for him if the new owners replace him with a far more successful manager (who I don't think should be Rafa on that note). If he's going to leave Wednesday how he did, then he can't have too many complaints. However, personally I wouldn't have much animosity and would wish him well. He's managed a team that is comfortably safe now I think in part as the players are playing for him, so fair play.