Trensa

Hello Fellas, here your spanish analyzer, you remembered me from DC negotiations. I see you all are erect but this sign...

2 hours ago, r0cafella said:

So it’s @Trensa1 -0 Newcastle online

Not at all, just common sense.

A reflection on all this and on your intention in the transfer market.

I think you've got the wrong profile of players to target. Bringing out players like DC or Botman is not easy, and if it's not easy it means it's too expensive.

From my point of view I think that in this first stage of your new era you should opt for a profile of players with potential and a step below the top players in Europe.

There are players with brutal potential in second-tier teams that are much more accessible and that would allow you to have a much more balanced squad than having, for example, a top centre-back and a top striker.

Once you have a balanced squad is when, thanks to your new purchasing power, I would go for players in certain positions.

I've noticed some of you desperate not to sign this or that player and signing him wouldn't make any difference if the environment isn't right.

I think a three or four year project would be the best way to avoid despair.

Nothing more, it has been interesting these days of debate here and I don't want to bother you any more.

1 hour ago, ManDoon said:

His decline might be next season as well. He’s a physical defender that makes a fair amount of mistakes, when that physicality starts to wane hes in big trouble. Kompany declined almost overnight 

Again, this never happen. Kounde, for example. 

39 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

I don't think they're totally blameless in this mind. From the sounds of it they've been cock-teasing via their local friendly press and it seems like this sort of thing has happened before with them. 

Almost every year, and thanks god. 

36 minutes ago, NE27 said:

 

In Spain people don't get head hunted and better themselves financially? Sad times.

Nope if you have a release clause, welcome to Spain. 

1 hour ago, NE27 said:

 

I mean, this happens in every walk of life doesn't it?

 

If I receive offers from competitors in my Industry, I listen to them. If they're substantially better then I go back to my employer and make them aware.

 

They then have a decision to make whether they wish to keep you and try and match market value or cut their losses and recruit.

 

Then it just comes down to personal preference/professionalism.

The key is that we don't have transfer request here, you are free to go whenever, just have to pay the release clause. 

Sometimes this is nice for the player, We sold Kondogbia or Fazio just for 10m cause this was their release clause and, for example, Messi's was 1000m, He could not leave ever without Barca permission. 

You used to Something there that here is different. 

1 hour ago, Diego21 said:

As i told you, different situations. 

 

Kounde was 22 (last summer) and contract until 2024. He probably will be sell next summer, and and he knows and Sevilla too. And, if Sevilla get to coontinue him next season, Kounde knows he still has more than 10 years of career and with his level he get much better options in the future. 

 

Diego Carlos is 29 next month and he is in his last option to get the big contract of his career and contract to 2024 too. 

 

If you are asking me for the level of Kounde, yes. For me, Kounde was better last season. 

 

 

These theories about sad players who plays under their level cause the club doesn't let go never happen before, this would be against them too. 

Mbappe, Cristiano, or Banega and Alves here before, for example. 

1 hour ago, Diego21 said:

You can ask me this, but really my opinion here is worth little because I know the same as all of us who are here. Anything.

But what I do believe is that if Newcastle makes the offer that SKY said before (€45M), Diego Carlos will come.

Again, for 45 is impossible. 

46 minutes ago, Diego21 said:

@Trensa Is a Newcastle and Sevilla fan? Or is just a Sevilla fan in the forum because Diego Carlos thread?

 

Trensa, You and me could speak spanish if the mates doesn't matter 

 

 

 

It s ok for me but I respect the rest of mates. 

19 minutes ago, Thiago said:

The problem is they're sat between two very different but equally important ambitions. 

 

This might be their best chance at a title. They sit four points behind a Real Madrid side preparing for a Champions League push next month. It's not unthinkable that a Sevilla side without that could overtake them. When you consider that it's hard to justify them taking anything under the clause because that 70m figure is a game changing sum. 

 

That said, they are a club run on selling players. This is the biggest offer they're ever likely to receive for Diego Carlos because he's almost 29-year-old and is just now getting major attention. The business textbook would say sell him, especially given how little difference there is in prize money for those top spots. That does remove the point of football, however - winning trophies - but as custodians of the club they have to think short and long term. 

 

All told, I think they've been unwilling sellers from minute one. If this offer had come in the summer it's different, but they're half way up the mountain now and things have changed. What felt acceptable in the summer now feels like the gambler wishing he'd put more on that horse. He's worth more to them than we feel comfortable paying because there's no promise he would secure us safety.

You got it sir. Exactly this. 

6 minutes ago, Diego21 said:

I'm sorry, but the world of transfers, renewals and agents works like that.

"Hey, there is a team that pays more than double for my player and we have decided to stay, but you are going to have to improve our salary considerably because our cache is now that."

It happens every day.

And if Sevilla doesn't do it, 'surprisingly' from next season Diego Carlos' level will decrease.

Has Kounde doubled his salary? Is his level surprisingly decreased? 

Answer. 

16 minutes ago, Diego21 said:

Just to be fair. 

 

How much can Sevilla pay to Diego Carlos? He is earning more or less 3M (Gross Salary) per year. Trippier is believe to be earning 9-10M (Gross Salary) per year. The double he earned in Atletico (Atletico is the 7th team in the world with highly salaries).

 

Maybe 5-6M per year for Diego Carlos??

 

 

And what is the 'target' for Sevilla in the next Champions League? Round of 16? 

 

Diego Carlos is 28 or 29yo. He is in the top moment to get the best (and probably the last) contract in his life. 

 

If you are telling me if he stays in Sevilla and Sevilla could have options to win the next UCL I told you 'ok, is normal Diego Carlos want to stay at Sevilla'.

 

But Diego Carlos is going to press to get out because he knows the situation. If Sevilla want him to stay, they have to increase his earns more than double.... And I don't know if it is possible.

 

 

Sevilla don't have to doubled anything, He signed a contract three years ago, probarly Sevilla improves his salary but nothing like that. 

He can press like every player who tried to press in the past, if you want go to a New club He just have to pay his release clause. 

That easy. 

DC looks for himself and Sevilla too. 

If DC breaks his leg in a million pieces tomorrow we'd have to pay his salary because we signed a contract years ago, when He signed this release clause seems very happy. 

24 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

That's fair enough, end of the day he is your player you don't have to sell him, whether he is happy or not. If you want to keep the player we have to respect that, and find some other 29 year old to spend £40m on. I just hope you are firm in this, Newcastle need to move on, the last thing we want is on deadline day Monchi comes back and says, "actually we would like to take the money after all".

This is not gonna happen for sure, Monchi is not playing with you, He is just trying to make the Best squad. 

20 minutes ago, Peppe said:

 

Should just buy Sevilla and fold the club. Cunts 

Can we keep the UEL at least? 

15 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

I don’t desire that thanks, but long term it is not smart to avoid selling a player before his decline. From a fan perspective sure, from the team perspective not really. 

His decline maybe least three years, three years of a solid defense and playing CL taking a lot of money. 

Fernando was in his decline three years ago and in the middle time we won another UEL and three CL quialifications. 

6 minutes ago, Diego21 said:

Sevilla is a team that bases its policy on selling players getting a good performance. His most expensive departure is Ben Yedder (35-36M) and they have sold players to top teams like Alves, Ramos, Lenglet, Vitolo, Bacca, Negredo or Gameiro. 

 

Probably they are thinking in a price betwen 36 to 40 millions and become him in his new most expensive departure.

 

PS: First time almost in his story, Sevilla are fighting to win the League.  They have won only one... So probably is a situation to could be high the final price. 

Maybe in summer 45, right now impossible. 

And We always talking about win la liga but we need to get the pass to the next CL, if we get it we take like 50/60m and without DC the situation would be dangerous. 

10 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

 29 year old player at peak value should be sold. I get Monchi is Monchi but hes made a mistake here. His value is going to drop off a cliff 

Football is win every match, especially for fans. If we win la liga I personally send to you even the sperm of DC if you desire, imagine as fan if I care if his value goes to ZERO. And Monchi is a fan too. 

4 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Didn't they do exactly the same with Chelsea and Kounde?

 

That said it's far more likely journos are simply backtracking to preserve their reputation.

Nope, Chelsea was bidding a low offer, trying to exchange some players like Zouma but their offer never reach €45m and Sevilla was willing 60/70 for Kounde. They didnt try any move until alsmot the deadline and the player only could have gone to Chelsea paying his release clause. 

And btw, we didn't doubled his wage and He is playing like always. 

58 minutes ago, Nine said:

But now DC has been offered triple his wage and has had his agents negotiating with Sevilla so he can leave?

Or He can sign a New contract and play CL next season. Not bad for him when He was so close to sign almost for the same wage. 

45 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

So you have signed Martial and will be paying him 200k a week for the rest of the season, and now you will need to at least double Carlos's wages. Can Spanish clubs afford to run their business like this? Isn't that why many clubs in La Liga are in trouble?

 

 

DC has a contract with us for a few years more, We dont have to pay anything else if any club pay his release clause, but probarly Monchi try to improve his contract, not double, for sure. 

And yeap, We have the Best financial situation along Real and maybe Bilbao, we can pay for the Martial loan with any sale. 

15 minutes ago, Nine said:

Something doesn’t add up here, why keep moving the goalposts for an extra few million if the player is already unsettled and has asked to leave? What’s the point on risking the buyer walking away over an insignificant amount and being left with a pissed off player for at least half a season?

Sevilla didnt ask for a bid and DC was almost signing his New contract. Sevilla doesn't risk anything but to get the Best team possible. 

31 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

I don’t doubt there is probably some truth in this.

 

Apparently both Lille and Sevilla have been changing the price on a daily basis, seems quite unrealistic to me and we’re the consistent player in both deals.

 

The English press will be getting their info from our side of the deal which is why it’s so pro-NUFC. What have the Spanish and local press said about the deal?

The same I am telling you for days. The bid have to be out of market to be accepted for Sevilla because our situation and the market. Not less than 50.

9 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

According to the media, Sevilla have been changing the price for the last three weeks. Why we haven’t just gone elsewhere already I don’t know.

 

Intrigued to see who the next target will be, really hope it’s not Tarkowski.

English media was totally wrong about prices since the beggining. 

It is absolutly impossible that Sevilla said that €30m was a fair prices. 

Even 50 is a bit far away. I said a few days ago, and I was surprised reading your press and tweets because here we know exactly the amount of money you would need to take him. 

It was a matter of giving hope just because, obviously, if you offer 3 times wages to the player he would like to go, but I don't think that your offer to Sevilla were even close to what you'd need. 

52 minutes ago, Joey47 said:

 

So do you think it's not true that Sevilla will sell Carlos for 38m pounds (about 45m euros)? 

Right now I doubt so much We let him go for 45m. Just think. We are shorts of CBs, Kounde is injured and not in his Best time here, We are going 2nd place, 4p under Real and we have the UEL final in our stadium and this is winter window. 

Now imagine is your team, Would you sell your starter CB for 45m?

50 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

@Trensano matter what happens you should keep posting it would be nice to have updates from Seville. 

Would be nice. Maybe It is a good excuse to improve my writing, I lost everything since I left Bournemouth. 

47 minutes ago, Manxst said:

So if Kounde isn’t sold in the summer (he gets sold every summer, and yet doesn’t, apparently…) you’re going to need that money? 

99% We'll do it. It is our financial policy. We sell high and buy low. As always. 

46 minutes ago, Joey47 said:

Another question for you @Trensa do you think it's true that DC wants to leave Sevilla and that his agents are convincing the club to do a deal with Newcastle?

If It is true you are offering 3 times his wages, obviously, He would be idiot if not. 

29 minutes ago, Village Idiot said:

I reckon Diego Carlos would be great in the PL, but I hope Sevilla don't sell and they make a run for the league this season. They're just 4 points off Real Madrid, and we or Atlético are certainly not going to be in the mix.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are fighting in the Florentino League, It is almost impossible. This last weekend they get 3 penalties. And I suggest you look for the last pen in the last Real - Valencia to Casemiro. Almost ridiculous. 

We would need 10 points ahead to dream about it. 

34 minutes ago, NE27 said:

Haven't kept up with this one. We thinking this is a goer closer to end of window?

 

@Trensa shared his unbiased opinion on the lad?

We didnt heard any offer from spurs here, LoCelso is a great player but He is not what we need right now. 

Problem here is 60/70m and the substitute. 

1 hour ago, Wykikitoon said:

The Spanish expert on SSN yesterday said that Seville don't have the financial clout to pay a loan fee for Martial and cover his c200k a week wages.  He said they would only do that if they sell Carlos.

This spanish expert knows about Sevilla financial like my father about Bitcoin. 

The loan is about 7/8m we have like €50/60m in our balance and we probarly sell Kounde this summer for 60/70m.

7 hours ago, Thiago said:

I don't know if you've seen but much has been made of his habit of brain farts/mistakes. Is that a genuine and consistent issue in your opinion?

I already said, He is a fireman, He goes wherever the team need and sometimes He goes too late and makes mistake, but the balance of his right decisions is unquestionable. 

55 minutes ago, Manxst said:

@Trensa now that it looks as though you’re signing Martial, does that affect Carlos at all? Do you need the money to buy Martial? 

We got him on loan. 

53 minutes ago, Rafalove said:

 

 

So he’s good? I was reading your forum through Google translate a little while back and you lot seemed to rate him highly?

I said before, He is top class. 

3 hours ago, cranna said:

How good is Carlos?

This is a defender who is primarily about carrying the ball and passing it, as opposed to winning it back.

Per fbref, he is comparable to Juventus defender Matthijs De Ligt statistically and is excellent at bringing the ball out of defence and distributing it to his team-mates.

But in terms of his defensive numbers, they are actually pretty poor.

He is in the bottom 50 per cent of defenders across Europe’s top five leagues when it comes to pressures, tackles, interceptions, clearances, and aerial duels won.

It is debatable as to whether he will be able to improve Newcastle on his own; this is a player who thrives when his team has the ball. Newcastle often don’t have the ball.

At £30m, this deal for Carlos feels like something of a gamble, even if he is coming in from a top club in a top league.

https://www.givemesport.com/1826836-newcastle-transfer-news-confidence-magpies-will-sign-66m-real-leader

Mate, we all die respect, you have not Seen DC in your life. 

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

Out of interest who do you think will give you 60million euros in the summer for him?

1 hour ago, ManDoon said:

I’m not sure anyone is paying you that in the summer. No chance.

I am trying to say that if your bid had been in summer the deal would be almost done, right now We don't care about the money because Monchi prioritises our performance. 

22 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

The guy is trolling at this point. Of all the players they would go for as a replacement they would pick Botman!?   

We were interested last summer when the Chelsea Kounde affair and the player was ok. 

Btw, the Instagram storie of DC is cause El Chiringuito is a meme sport late night and he is making fun because that. I would not take seroius. 

DC would be sold in summer for €60/70m but right know this sale would make damage to our performance and Lopetegui would be angry as well, so, if we are looking for a replacement It'd not be a normal replacement but THE replacement. 

I am sure Monchi is trying Botman and someone like that but, as you know, this Window and timing is so difficult to get player like that. 

42 minutes ago, PlymouthGeordie said:

 

I've seen another translation where it's translated as "I have a lot of time left here". If it's more along the lines of this it could be a reference to the time left on his contract.

 

Either way, him playing yesterday hardly screams a deal is close as has been reported media wide.

 

Their assistant manager also said he expects him to stay for the remainder of the season.

 

 

 

He has contract until 24.

It is a meme tweet but this is DC talking after the game last night. 

-Diego, Do you stay in Sevilla this window (winter)? 

-I'll be here for a long time.