HaydnNUFC Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Will that £350m include the ridding of the ties between the club and the fat man's vile company? Of course, nobody's going to buy the club unless they have free reign to negotiate various deals to increase revenue. The thought of SJP without that red and blue shite all over it, beautiful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I reckon it'll happen at 350m, based on fuck all, mainly hope I don't, that's a huge step up from even the reported and disputed £300m. I'm still hopeful a deal will be done though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 £350m in parts, then. Or £320m up front. Just do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 IMO the club is worth 300m. If he was offered 330m cash, he would be out the door faster than you can say No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 My biggest concern is that Ashley is a gambler first, businessman second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I also think 330m will see him gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 This is where it all really starts though isn't it? Staveley is no mug and the fat man is exactly what he is. She is unlikely to be saying to her advisors 'Let's offer him what we can and get it done quickly'. Similarly he is unlikely to accept the first offer and more likely to suggest a new figure which will be inflated. And on it goes..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 My biggest concern is that Ashley is a gambler first, businessman second. Not selling = almost certainly losing Rafa and probable relegation or having to invest heavily to keep him and stay up. If PCP are the only serious potential buyer they have him over a barrel and he'll know it. The gambler in him must be bluffing to squeeze every penny he can out of them, knowing that he really has to be out by January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 This is where it all really starts though isn't it? Staveley is no mug and the fat man is exactly what he is. She is unlikely to be saying to her advisors 'Let's offer him what we can and get it done quickly'. Similarly he is unlikely to accept the first offer and more likely to suggest a new figure which will be inflated. And on it goes..... Yup. We also have no idea if the decision to accept or reject a bid is entirely down to MA himself. I doubt he's doing the negotiations himself, and I wonder if he's making decisions himself or taking advice from his advisors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
polkaDot Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 According to some reports they've already offered him £350 Million (with some in instalments). The problem appears to be the clauses (relegation/HMRC) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 This is where it all really starts though isn't it? Staveley is no mug and the fat man is exactly what he is. She is unlikely to be saying to her advisors 'Let's offer him what we can and get it done quickly'. Similarly he is unlikely to accept the first offer and more likely to suggest a new figure which will be inflated. And on it goes..... Yup. We also have no idea if the decision to accept or reject a bid is entirely down to MA himself. I doubt he's doing the negotiations himself, and I wonder if he's making decisions himself or taking advice from his advisors. If Ashley pulls the plug/forces PCP to pull out of a takeover due to being difficult to deal with and he takes the club off the market again then it'd be the most damaging thing he's done to the club in his tenure. It's absolutely pivotal that this happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I reckon it'll happen at 350m, based on fuck all, mainly hope I don't, that's a huge step up from even the reported and disputed £300m. I'm still hopeful a deal will be done though. I don't think the figure (whatever it is) will change much at all. I think the structure and clauses are the key. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I reckon it'll happen at 350m, based on fuck all, mainly hope I don't, that's a huge step up from even the reported and disputed £300m. I'm still hopeful a deal will be done though. I don't think the figure (whatever it is) will change much at all. I think the structure and clauses are the key. Probably right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 This is where it all really starts though isn't it? Staveley is no mug and the fat man is exactly what he is. She is unlikely to be saying to her advisors 'Let's offer him what we can and get it done quickly'. Similarly he is unlikely to accept the first offer and more likely to suggest a new figure which will be inflated. And on it goes..... The problem for both parties is that January is such a crucial time that it's in everyone's interest to get this done quickly. Fuck around negotiating for too long and we lose out on a very important transfer window. That's why I like the relegation clause so much - if Ashley doesn't budge and they're still at the table in January, he's subject to the relegation clause and is almost forced to back Rafa. If he agrees to their offer and fucks off before January, i'm guessing the clause doesn't count. If he really does want out then he's under pressure to accept PCP's offer because they look like the only serious bidder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 £327M you heard it here first ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 This is where it all really starts though isn't it? Staveley is no mug and the fat man is exactly what he is. She is unlikely to be saying to her advisors 'Let's offer him what we can and get it done quickly'. Similarly he is unlikely to accept the first offer and more likely to suggest a new figure which will be inflated. And on it goes..... The problem for both parties is that January is such a crucial time that it's in everyone's interest to get this done quickly. Fuck around negotiating for too long and we lose out on a very important transfer window. That's why I like the relegation clause so much - if Ashley doesn't budge and they're still at the table in January, he's subject to the relegation clause and is almost forced to back Rafa. If he agrees to their offer and fucks off before January, i'm guessing the clause doesn't count. If he really does want out then he's under pressure to accept PCP's offer because they look like the only serious bidder. I think this is where Rafa is going with his quotes though. Remember, there's no real value in January. As much as we're desperate for about 4 new players in, I'd be more worried if we went into the summer transfer window still unsure who owns us. We'll sign a couple in January anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Should get a sweepstake going; the date a deal is agreed and the value. Monday 27 November - £334.6m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Toon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Should get a sweepstake going; the date a deal is agreed and the value. Monday 27 November - £334.6m May be worth adding the year as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest taps01 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I still think the most likely outcome is that we don't get sold to PCP and Ashley takes the For Sale sign down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I still think the most likely outcome is that we don't get sold to PCP and Ashley takes the For Sale sign down. The club is utterly fucked if that's the case. The best time for Ashley to get out is now and surely he recognises this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Nah, he stands to lose too much that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I still think the most likely outcome is that we don't get sold to PCP and Ashley takes the For Sale sign down. The club is utterly f***ed if that's the case. The best time for Ashley to get out is now and surely he recognises this. Hopefully the folks at Dentons are advising him to get it done and laying out the risks associated with his valuation if he doesn’t sell, doesn’t invest, and gets relegated / Rafa walks. He’ll be losing over 150m+ on that 400m he wanted so dearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Should get a sweepstake going; the date a deal is agreed and the value. Monday 27 November - £334.6m Figures 1-0 Football Monday 4th December - £300m up front with £45m in 'clauses' JP Once a price is agreed it will then take us into January until the official club statement, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Hopefully the folks at Dentons are advising him to get it done and laying out the risks associated with his valuation if he doesn’t sell, doesn’t invest, and gets relegated / Rafa walks. He’ll be losing over 150m+ on that 400m he wanted so dearly. I'm sure like any good law firm they'll be telling him 'that's a commercial point'. In terms of valuing the business he'll be advising himself. Once a price is agreed it will then take us into January until the official club statement, however. They can close much quicker than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I still think the most likely outcome is that we don't get sold to PCP and Ashley takes the For Sale sign down. The club is utterly fucked if that's the case. The best time for Ashley to get out is now and surely he recognises this. It also depends on if any of his advisors have the balls to disagree with him if at any point thinks about rejecting the offer outright. We know he doesn't surround himself with people who disagree with any of his decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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