madras Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 £333,333,334 0n 3rd December. In homage to Supermacs transfer fee to Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Again, I reckon the key factor is Rafa. Ashley could play hard ball and ignore calls for relegation clauses etc. but he's also going to have to keep Rafa happy as this drags on. Losing Rafa costs Ashley millions, if not turning off buyers altogether. If Rafa went and we got a PFM manager like Pardew, any ambitious owner would be looking at 5M to 10M to pay the guy off and then the instability and uncertainty of trying to get someone else in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Again, I reckon the key factor is Rafa. Ashley could play hard ball and ignore calls for relegation clauses etc. but he's also going to have to keep Rafa happy as this drags on. Losing Rafa costs Ashley millions, if not turning off buyers altogether. If Rafa went and we got a PFM manager like Pardew, any ambitious owner would be looking at 5M to 10M to pay the guy off and then the instability and uncertainty of trying to get someone else in. Rafa's worth £100m to this club tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Rafa's in the process of doing what we as fans haven't been able to, and that's giving us our club back. Mans a legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Rafa's in the process of doing what we as fans haven't been able to, and that's giving us our club back. Mans a legend. If this indeed happens, he's up there with Keegan for me - transcending his role as simply a football manager into a hero and legend to the region/club etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I thought a company's value was based almost entirely on current performance? I've been watching too much Dragon's Den. The value of anything and everything is based on what a buyer is willing to pay. This. I love Dragon’s Den btw. With a business as volotile as NUFC can be, there is almost 3 kinds of valuations. What is the club worth right now as a business, I.e. turnover, assets, profit etc. What is it worth going forward, new TV deals, possible CL footy etc. and general growth and what it is worth to someone who wants to own a premium football club. Plus what it could be worth if it got relegated or failed to miss out on say the CL etc. A football club is probably the hardest type of business to value because it’s depending on so many factors. Mix all them things together though and you probably get your true valuation. Me, I’d say 300m would be a very fair price for the club as it stands, but looking ahead, a 400m valuation wouldn’t be or shouldn’t be deemed stupid. Obvious valuation? Somewhere in the middle. 350m is what we will probably go for, with certain clauses and stipulations in place. If Ashley really does want out and a quick no strings attached sale, he’ll settle for 300m which gets him his money back and a huge profit. He will lose out on SD advertising and exposure and future growth estimates RE TV income etc. though which you also have to consider. As a businessman you can’t just say well the club is worth this and this is what you paid for it nd expect Ashley to sell up because to him, it’s worth more than say 300m. Either way whatever he has spent on buying it, he will always get back, but he will lose out on all the advertising and future stuff. When you think about it, it’s not a bad model to pump a few hundred million into because I think overal that money spend on purchase etc. is almost guaranteed. Money in the bank basically. He has done extremely well out of NUFC you have to say from his own financial point of view and that of his other company. Any new buyer, what you are buying, is a company that has an almost guaranteed income based on customers and huge potential growth in terms of additional revenues with sponsorship, TV money and other commercial stuff. That alone makes NUFC more than worth 350m which is what I’d be wanting if I was Ashley and if I were genuine about building NUFC up, would pay. To get to the top will of course cost huge money and there are no guuarantees but get it right and well, just look at Chelsea or Man City, mega clubs. Makes you wonder why they waste money on due diligence when you could have knocked something up on the value of the club in a paragraph :lol: Due dilligence isn’t all about valuation, far from it. As someone who has independently and professionally had a company valued in the past I know the different kind of variables and deciders when it comes to valuation. Albeit on a totally different scale Anyway I was just expressing that with a football club, it’s probably more difficult to value because of how important onfield success and external TV revenue is to the future value of the club, which has to also be taken into account no doubt regards current value. Again I’ll guess that it will,go for 350m... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Rafa's in the process of doing what we as fans haven't been able to, and that's giving us our club back. Mans a legend. He already has given us our club back in a way in terms of a team to be proud of, a belief in that team, and of course by uniting the fans. If we can get rid of the fat man and Rafa gets the required backing to take us back to regular European football and challengin then we will truly have our club back. Here is hoping! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 How about £300m plus and 50% of any future sale of Mikel Merino. We all know the lad is a £100m player in waiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 @MsiDouglas Another insightful dispatch from the Middle East from @geordiedentist on #nufc takeover coming up later. The theme: Why patience isn't a bad thing as PCP Capital Partners do their thing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I thought a company's value was based almost entirely on current performance? I've been watching too much Dragon's Den. The value of anything and everything is based on what a buyer is willing to pay. This. I love Dragon’s Den btw. With a business as volotile as NUFC can be, there is almost 3 kinds of valuations. What is the club worth right now as a business, I.e. turnover, assets, profit etc. What is it worth going forward, new TV deals, possible CL footy etc. and general growth and what it is worth to someone who wants to own a premium football club. Plus what it could be worth if it got relegated or failed to miss out on say the CL etc. A football club is probably the hardest type of business to value because it’s depending on so many factors. Mix all them things together though and you probably get your true valuation. Me, I’d say 300m would be a very fair price for the club as it stands, but looking ahead, a 400m valuation wouldn’t be or shouldn’t be deemed stupid. Obvious valuation? Somewhere in the middle. 350m is what we will probably go for, with certain clauses and stipulations in place. If Ashley really does want out and a quick no strings attached sale, he’ll settle for 300m which gets him his money back and a huge profit. He will lose out on SD advertising and exposure and future growth estimates RE TV income etc. though which you also have to consider. As a businessman you can’t just say well the club is worth this and this is what you paid for it nd expect Ashley to sell up because to him, it’s worth more than say 300m. Either way whatever he has spent on buying it, he will always get back, but he will lose out on all the advertising and future stuff. When you think about it, it’s not a bad model to pump a few hundred million into because I think overal that money spend on purchase etc. is almost guaranteed. Money in the bank basically. He has done extremely well out of NUFC you have to say from his own financial point of view and that of his other company. Any new buyer, what you are buying, is a company that has an almost guaranteed income based on customers and huge potential growth in terms of additional revenues with sponsorship, TV money and other commercial stuff. That alone makes NUFC more than worth 350m which is what I’d be wanting if I was Ashley and if I were genuine about building NUFC up, would pay. To get to the top will of course cost huge money and there are no guuarantees but get it right and well, just look at Chelsea or Man City, mega clubs. Makes you wonder why they waste money on due diligence when you could have knocked something up on the value of the club in a paragraph :lol: Due dilligence isn’t all about valuation, far from it. As someone who has independently and professionally had a company valued in the past I know the different kind of variables and deciders when it comes to valuation. Albeit on a totally different scale Anyway I was just expressing that with a football club, it’s probably more difficult to value because of how important onfield success and external TV revenue is to the future value of the club, which has to also be taken into account no doubt regards current value. Again I’ll guess that it will,go for 350m... Was meant very lighthearted mate, hope it didn’t offend, your stuff is always insightful. However it will go for no more than 345m, that much is obvious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I thought a company's value was based almost entirely on current performance? I've been watching too much Dragon's Den. The value of anything and everything is based on what a buyer is willing to pay. This. I love Dragon’s Den btw. With a business as volotile as NUFC can be, there is almost 3 kinds of valuations. What is the club worth right now as a business, I.e. turnover, assets, profit etc. What is it worth going forward, new TV deals, possible CL footy etc. and general growth and what it is worth to someone who wants to own a premium football club. Plus what it could be worth if it got relegated or failed to miss out on say the CL etc. A football club is probably the hardest type of business to value because it’s depending on so many factors. Mix all them things together though and you probably get your true valuation. Me, I’d say 300m would be a very fair price for the club as it stands, but looking ahead, a 400m valuation wouldn’t be or shouldn’t be deemed stupid. Obvious valuation? Somewhere in the middle. 350m is what we will probably go for, with certain clauses and stipulations in place. If Ashley really does want out and a quick no strings attached sale, he’ll settle for 300m which gets him his money back and a huge profit. He will lose out on SD advertising and exposure and future growth estimates RE TV income etc. though which you also have to consider. As a businessman you can’t just say well the club is worth this and this is what you paid for it nd expect Ashley to sell up because to him, it’s worth more than say 300m. Either way whatever he has spent on buying it, he will always get back, but he will lose out on all the advertising and future stuff. When you think about it, it’s not a bad model to pump a few hundred million into because I think overal that money spend on purchase etc. is almost guaranteed. Money in the bank basically. He has done extremely well out of NUFC you have to say from his own financial point of view and that of his other company. Any new buyer, what you are buying, is a company that has an almost guaranteed income based on customers and huge potential growth in terms of additional revenues with sponsorship, TV money and other commercial stuff. That alone makes NUFC more than worth 350m which is what I’d be wanting if I was Ashley and if I were genuine about building NUFC up, would pay. To get to the top will of course cost huge money and there are no guuarantees but get it right and well, just look at Chelsea or Man City, mega clubs. Makes you wonder why they waste money on due diligence when you could have knocked something up on the value of the club in a paragraph :lol: Due dilligence isn’t all about valuation, far from it. As someone who has independently and professionally had a company valued in the past I know the different kind of variables and deciders when it comes to valuation. Albeit on a totally different scale Anyway I was just expressing that with a football club, it’s probably more difficult to value because of how important onfield success and external TV revenue is to the future value of the club, which has to also be taken into account no doubt regards current value. Again I’ll guess that it will,go for 350m... Was meant very lighthearted mate, hope it didn’t offend, your stuff is always insightful. However it will go for no more than 345m, that much is obvious Sorry, probably read it the wrong way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Gonna end up on Homes Under The Hammer at this rate ; A Stavely ; " and then we knocked through the Gallowgate End here to open up the space and let more light in " ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 £327M you heard it here first 😎 I didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 £327M you heard it here first 😎 I didn't. Rumours in my head of £323M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I know £50 million is a lot of money, but given the money these guys have and their supposed ambitions I hope they pay up and just get this done. Our place in the Premier League is more and more at risk every week that passes in terms of getting this finished before January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Rafa's in the process of doing what we as fans haven't been able to, and that's giving us our club back. Mans a legend. Well put, that's exactly how I feel about the situation & the man himself. He'll go down as an important part in the history of this club, especially if the club is sold and he can continue his role free from the current constrictions. Up there with Keegan, Shearer, Sir Bobby and the likes without a shadow of doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 A deal will be made...our fear really is Ashley is too stubborn to negotiate, however if reports are to be believed his asking price has gone from £400m to £380m including staggered payments and now £350m. Some big drops publicly, no doubt he's wanting to sell and quick, its just a matter of coming to an agreement. Think we may see something very soon (before the week is out) a second formal bid closer to what he wants then a couple of days thrashing it out from there searching for the compromise. £320-330m is what i'm expecting. Its more than fair and gives him a nice earner from 10 years of mismanagement. He's one lucky fucker, no doubt about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 @MsiDouglas Another insightful dispatch from the Middle East from @geordiedentist on #nufc takeover coming up later. The theme: Why patience isn't a bad thing as PCP Capital Partners do their thing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Nowt new there tbh, but it good to read more positivity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Going by that can we assume it’s Middle East/Arab investment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 what you're getting at? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Byker Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Mustapha Dance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 It's amazing how simple the journo's at the Chronicle are when there's no news. An article telling us that extra income might improve the squad, Academy, technical staff, stadium...I, for one, am stunned by these revelations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Is Neil Mitchell Uncle Bingo and Paully's source by any chance? Would make sense. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/middle-east-view-newcastle-takeover-13939851 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonjam88 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Is Neil Mitchell Uncle Bingo and Paully's source by any chance? Would make sense. http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/middle-east-view-newcastle-takeover-13939851 Don't think he is their source as I am sure they said the person they spoke to was a journalist. That Neil Mitchell is a dentist who did some work for fanzines. @geordiedentist on twitter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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