Nobody Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: But we need to win games and we don’t look capable of doing that. We absolutely do look capable of winning games like. Could/should have won against Watford, Saints, Brentford and Norwich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 A 7 or an 8 for me. Think it's a fair bit more likely that we'll go down than not but if the money is there for serious investment in January I think we have the manager and enough to work with in the squad already to give it a good go. Might not be enough but I expect us to still be fighting until the last few games. People voting 10, man. You're basically saying you think it's 100% impossible to stay up? Just miserable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 It's not over until its over and I hope everyone at the club sees it that way. We just need that first win to kick-start our season, all the effort in the world won't save us, we need confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, PlymouthGeordie said: Well Burnley and Southampton have both already played them twice, both are above us and both have games in hand on us. We've had one of the easiest sets of fixtures going and the results are: 0 Wins Most goals conceded Bottom of the league It's not defestism, it's realism. No team in PL history has stayed up from this position. Our chances of survival probably range from 0%-5%. Tell the bookies that. They disagree with you. Maybe they’ve decided to start losing money. Still think it’s mad that people get lost in the fact everyone has to play everyone twice and have a different sequence of fixtures. Some might say it’s great we play Liverpool and Man City at the end of the season because they may be on the beach with nowt to play for. Maybe Burnley and Southampton are therefore at a disadvantage. Who knows. That’s the point of it, anything can happen in the next 24 games and we’ve got just as much chance as anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Shak said: A 7 or an 8 for me. Think it's a fair bit more likely that we'll go down than not but if the money is there for serious investment in January I think we have the manager and enough to work with in the squad already to give it a good go. Might not be enough but I expect us to still be fighting until the last few games. People voting 10, man. You're basically saying you think it's 100% impossible to stay up? Just miserable No, they’re voting 10 based on thinking we will go down, not basing it on possibilities. People are allowed to recognise that there is a chance to stay up whilst at the same time thinking we won’t take that chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 8 or a 9. At this rate. We’ll be about 9-12 points off safety at best come January and getting any players in (assuming decent ones would risk coming here) will be too late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, et tu brute said: They have not put any rules in yet on the sponsorship and Newcastle are on that group also. If any rules come in that are against competition and restraint of trade, then I'm quite certain Newcastle will take them straight to the courts and win. You can't accept a takeover and then try and stop the club under these owners being allowed back in because of relegation. That boat has long sailed. They’ve literally just put a moratorium on it until they can make up the new rules. They’re making it all up on the fly. Masters leaving while we are down isn’t beyond the realms of possibility. We all know that the big (6 or whatever the hell you want to call the teams that are calling the shots) put pressure on to appoint their man who would do their bidding and they could do it again with an even tighter remit to keep us out or hamstring us in some way even if they let us in. The risk is there and plain to see. It’s a massive massive risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Shearergol said: No, they’re voting 10 based on thinking we will go down, not basing it on possibilities. People are allowed to recognise that there is a chance to stay up whilst at the same time thinking we won’t take that chance. That doesn't make any sense but I've had that conversation before in these threads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, LV said: They’ve literally just put a moratorium on it until they can make up the new rules. They’re making it all up on the fly. Masters leaving while we are down isn’t beyond the realms of possibility. We all know that the big (6 or whatever the hell you want to call the teams that are calling the shots) put pressure on to appoint their man who would do their bidding and they could do it again with an even tighter remit to keep us out or hamstring us in some way even if they let us in. The risk is there and plain to see. It’s a massive massive risk. Bollocks is it man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 While tonight's result is an absolute downer and things look rather bleak next month, there's still that hint of hope in my mind that we'll stay up - we've improved little by little as a team so call it blind optimism or whatnot but once we become a real cohesive unit with Howe's ethos fully instilled (and with the right individuals in the team), I can see our fortunes changing. For the first time in a long time, all fans are fully into it all again with a sense of hope. The fans will be just as important as the players. It's going to be tight finish come May and it won't be pretty along the way but I'm still just about of the opinion that we'll stay up. 4/10 atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I think we are fucked. If we beat Burnley and one of the next 4 games we have a chance but just can't see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, LV said: They’ve literally just put a moratorium on it until they can make up the new rules. They’re making it all up on the fly. Masters leaving while we are down isn’t beyond the realms of possibility. We all know that the big (6 or whatever the hell you want to call the teams that are calling the shots) put pressure on to appoint their man who would do their bidding and they could do it again with an even tighter remit to keep us out or hamstring us in some way even if they let us in. The risk is there and plain to see. It’s a massive massive risk. I don't see any risk in us being banned from spending money in January. More risk that no one wants to come here but money should take care of that, world is full of players that could improve us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 I think we've had people voting 10s by this stage of the season in pretty much each of the last five seasons now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, Pata said: That doesn't make any sense but I've had that conversation before in these threads. Of course it does. Some people don’t use the 0-10 as probability. If the options were Yes or No instead of 0-10 people wouldn’t argue with posters voting yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, Shearergol said: Of course it does. Some people don’t use the 0-10 as probability. If the options were Yes or No instead of 0-10 people wouldn’t argue with posters voting yes. Agree this is a better indicator Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, et tu brute said: Bollocks is it man You’re being hugely naive The big 6 were wetting their knickers that they hadn’t been consulted about our takeover going through. If you think this is some kind of level playing field democracy you’re wrong. The game has changed and they don’t want competition any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Shearergol said: Of course it does. Some people don’t use the 0-10 as probability. If the options were Yes or No instead of 0-10 people wouldn’t argue with posters voting yes. Maybe they should stop being dimwits and use it properly then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the fella Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Was 9 after Arsenal. Now 9.5. Been resigned to relegation since Southampton scored to make it 2-2 in September. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Pata said: I don't see any risk in us being banned from spending money in January. More risk that no one wants to come here but money should take care of that, world is full of players that could improve us. We can spend money in Jan, it’s getting sponsorship money that’s the issue. My point is that if they can restrict us doing that then they can have another bite at the cherry of restricting us in coming back up. Its a realistic possibility whatever anyone says. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, LV said: You’re being hugely naive The big 6 were wetting their knickers that they hadn’t been consulted about our takeover going through. If you think this is some kind of level playing field democracy you’re wrong. The game has changed and they don’t want competition any more. No you are or very stupid, one of the two. There is not a cats hell chance in a million that this would be allowed legally in a court of law. Even if they did try (they won't), it would get thrown out immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Genuinely don't see how anyone can vote less than an 8. Rock bottom after 14 games, winless all season including the cup, worst defence in the league, need to score twice to have a chance of getting anything etc. We've failed to beat any of our relegation rivals so far, and realistically need 31pts from our last 24 matches - top 8 form. It'll basically take at least 4 surprise results now, and i just don't see this team doing it. We needed 7 points minimum from Brentford, Norwich and Burnley, right now that'll be max of 5. 10 for me i'm afraid. More likely to sell in January, than sign any decent players - who will want to come? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Pata said: Maybe they should stop being dimwits and use it properly then. What’s the point in the poll then? If it’s simply based on the scientific possibility of us going down rather than opinion? Will ASM score 5 goals in the next game? 0-10? You can’t vote 10 though, as technically there is a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, et tu brute said: No you are or very stupid, one of the two. There is not a cats hell chance in a million that this would be allowed legally in a court of law. Even if they did try (they won't), it would get thrown out immediately. You don’t even think they’d try? Like I said, naïve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Shearergol said: What’s the point in the poll then? If it’s simply based on the scientific possibility of us going down rather than opinion? Will ASM score 5 goals in the next game? 0-10? You can’t vote 10 though, as technically there is a chance. I wouldn’t vote 10. Why would I be 100% certain of ASM scoring 5 goals in one game? I’d probably vote 2. Which allows for the slight possibility of it happening. Edited November 30, 2021 by Fantail Breeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 We can spend however much we want in January. We can deal with whatever consequences might come later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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