Guest Knightrider Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 One of the bigggest differences between the Premiership and Championship is the pace of the defenders you come up against - have watched Chopra a few times this season and he can regularly be seen outpacing centre-halfs quite easily, while in the Prem he used to look like he was running in treacle up against the likes of Gallas, Ferdinand, Toure etc. Aye, because he'll come up against a Gallas in every game, outside of the top 6, the rest are pretty ordinary - which is a leveller for a lot of players and indeed teams. I reckon Chopra has enough ability (I'm not saying he has lots of ability here BTW), to make his mark at the lower end of the Premiership, enough to cause sides like Sheff Utd, Wigan, Man City et al problems, and indeed our own defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Earnshaw is a fantastic goalscorer though, problem with him is thats all he has and why he hasn't made it as a regular in the premiership. Tbh he is probably a better version of Chopra. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 The impatience of the crowd makes it very difficult for a promising young player to gain the confidence to show his best form, so we may as well dismantle the academy because we are never going to produce players that look the finished article on debut for the first team. We can then use the money we'll save to buy squad players as and when required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 People way overestimate the Premiership as if a player needs to be Ronaldo just to perform in it, it isn't that hard a league to crack. That's just bollocks. What people are saying is that Chopra isn't of the required standard to play and score goals regularly in the Premiership. Much like the vast majority of players at the other 72 clubs in the football league who can't seem to "crack" the Premiership. I would certainly rate Doyle as better than Chopra btw. Earnshaw too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 One of the bigggest differences between the Premiership and Championship is the pace of the defenders you come up against - have watched Chopra a few times this season and he can regularly be seen outpacing centre-halfs quite easily, while in the Prem he used to look like he was running in treacle up against the likes of Gallas, Ferdinand, Toure etc. Aye, because he'll come up against a Gallas in every game, outside of the top 6, the rest are pretty ordinary - which is a leveller for a lot of players and indeed teams. I reckon Chopra has enough ability (I'm not saying he has lots of ability here BTW), to make his mark at the lower end of the Premiership, enough to cause sides like Sheff Utd, Wigan, Man City et al problems, and indeed our own defence. So basically you're saying that he's good enough to perform against the relegation threatened teams. In other words, the Championship is his natural level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Earnshaw is a fantastic goalscorer though, problem with him is thats all he has and why he hasn't made it as a regular in the premiership. Tbh he is probably a better version of Chopra. I'm a fan of Earnshaw's, but I'd say there isn't much between him or Chopra, in Chopra's favour he's the harder working player of the two and has the better control, while Earnshaw has more pace - both are good finishers however and if you have that in your locker, you'll have a chance, even if it is sliom. Too many crap players over the years with an ability in once specific area have proven that the Premiership isn't such a tough place to leave a mark, Paul Dickov is a prime example, as was Barry Hayles - just two players who scored goals in the Premiership and did well enough to play a number of games for their respective clubs without looking totaly out of place. And that's because outside of the top 6, there really isn't a great deal of depth to the league, or any real difference in quality between lots of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 didn;t we loan him out a few times? how did he do compared to now at cardiff? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Watford - 5 in 5 Forest - 0 in 5 Barnsley - 17 in 39 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I think he did well in his first spell then not so well in his second. At the end of the day even if he is good enough for a lower premiership side thats still not what we need. He would be 4th choice (at best here) and he doesnt want that. Time to let him go... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 One of the bigggest differences between the Premiership and Championship is the pace of the defenders you come up against - have watched Chopra a few times this season and he can regularly be seen outpacing centre-halfs quite easily, while in the Prem he used to look like he was running in treacle up against the likes of Gallas, Ferdinand, Toure etc. Aye, because he'll come up against a Gallas in every game, outside of the top 6, the rest are pretty ordinary - which is a leveller for a lot of players and indeed teams. I reckon Chopra has enough ability (I'm not saying he has lots of ability here BTW), to make his mark at the lower end of the Premiership, enough to cause sides like Sheff Utd, Wigan, Man City et al problems, and indeed our own defence. So basically you're saying that he's good enough to perform against the relegation threatened teams. In other words, the Championship is his natural level. People were saying the same things about Paul Dickov and Barry Hayles - just two examples. No-one is claiming Chopra can be a hit in the Premiership here ala Darren Bent, but to say he simply isn't good enough to even do a job is way overestimating the Premiership and ignoring the countless players who have done a job in the Premiership for their respective teams despite being Championship standard. Of course he'll always do better in the Championship than the Premiership, but that's not to say he can't play in the Premiership. If Cardiff went up and Chopra notched 7 league goals next season (more than possible and he's more than capable given the right service) that would be an excellent return for him and him doing a job at that level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darth Toon Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 One of the bigggest differences between the Premiership and Championship is the pace of the defenders you come up against - have watched Chopra a few times this season and he can regularly be seen outpacing centre-halfs quite easily, while in the Prem he used to look like he was running in treacle up against the likes of Gallas, Ferdinand, Toure etc. Aye, because he'll come up against a Gallas in every game, outside of the top 6, the rest are pretty ordinary - which is a leveller for a lot of players and indeed teams. I reckon Chopra has enough ability (I'm not saying he has lots of ability here BTW), to make his mark at the lower end of the Premiership, enough to cause sides like Sheff Utd, Wigan, Man City et al problems, and indeed our own defence. It isn't just the top 6 though - even at bottom half Prem teams you've got decent defenders like Distin, Mellberg, Woodgate - Championship centre halfs are usually there because they're big, uncompromising and good in the air, but many have turning circles like the QE2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Anyway I hope he makes it to the Premiership and does well for himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 I think he did well in his first spell then not so well in his second. At the end of the day even if he is good enough for a lower premiership side thats still not what we need. He would be 4th choice (at best here) and he doesnt want that. Time to let him go... I would be happy with Martins Owen Chopra as a potential frontline, with Dyer as emergency backup I don't think anyone has a decent reliable 4th choice striker that doesn't want away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 One of the bigggest differences between the Premiership and Championship is the pace of the defenders you come up against - have watched Chopra a few times this season and he can regularly be seen outpacing centre-halfs quite easily, while in the Prem he used to look like he was running in treacle up against the likes of Gallas, Ferdinand, Toure etc. Aye, because he'll come up against a Gallas in every game, outside of the top 6, the rest are pretty ordinary - which is a leveller for a lot of players and indeed teams. I reckon Chopra has enough ability (I'm not saying he has lots of ability here BTW), to make his mark at the lower end of the Premiership, enough to cause sides like Sheff Utd, Wigan, Man City et al problems, and indeed our own defence. It isn't just the top 6 though - even at bottom half Prem teams you've got decent defenders like Distin, Mellberg, Woodgate - Championship centre halfs are usually there because they're big, uncompromising and good in the air, but many have turning circles like the QE2. They are decent players, but you don't have to run a player ragged for 90 minutes to score past a team, look at some of the scorers who have notched against those players this season. In general, yes, you have to have something to compete against these defenders, but players have their off days, players have their purple patches and teams can get around other teams, in short there is so much more to football than simply being a good player. What's the saying? The game itself can be a great leveller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Some of the goalkeeping in the lower leagues is a joke too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Some of the goalkeeping in the lower leagues is a joke too. Aye, not many sweeper keepers down there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sniffer Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Chopra was never given an opportunity for an extended run in the team whereas a donkey like ameobi has been hanging around for years. I wonder why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Why don't we buy him back for about 10 million, young british talent and all that??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Chopra was never given an opportunity for an extended run in the team whereas a donkey like ameobi has been hanging around for years. I wonder why? Ooo this one's easy. Me sir! Pick me sir! *clears throat* It's because Ameobi's better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sniffer Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Unfortunately, dimwit, the point that is lost on you is that Chopra never had the extended chance to prove it. Don't put your hand up so quickly next time as you look like a tit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Unfortunately, dimwit, the point that is lost on you is that Chopra never had the extended chance to prove it. Don't put your hand up so quickly next time as you look like a tit. Obviously, moron, the reason Chopra didn't get the chance to prove it is because it would have been to the detriment of NUFC's results. Thick as pigshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Play nicely kiddies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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