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Didn't Bellamy miss an open goal yesterday? Also from what has been said his Anfield career so far has been very up and down performance wise, now I bet those already with their claws out over Martins are the ones who would have Bellamy back here in a shot.

I like what I've seen of him so far.  No one actually thought we were buying the finished article did they?

Think some people expect Wayne Rooneys slightly better brother for £10m, its a joke!

I thought he was at first but he either has too much time on his hands or he seems to be serious!

I said "It's looking that way." - and from what I saw today I  think we've bought a player that is 4 or 5 times overpriced for the £10m we've spent.

Would anyone think that Emre and Martins had trained and played for the same team for 3 years? You'd think they had only met a few weeks ago, there's nothing between them.

 

No nice way of saying it but I fear Martins is as thick as pig-shit (or donkey shite maybe?) - one occasion today he recieved a perfect ball on the edge of the 18yrd box, facing goal, space in front to move into. Just had to take it on his left foot and touch gently forward - he recieved it and put straight to his right foot where it was easily taken off him by the defender who had just got himself out of jail after being caught the wrong side.

You do like to give players plenty of time to settle don't you?

He is settling into a new team, new country, new league and he is 21 years old, there are bound to be things that he will need to improve upon and he has shown plenty of sparks of what he can do and bring to the team!

You only have to look at one of the best strikers in the world (Shevchenko) to see its not always easy to adapt to a new league straight away!

Don't bite, its the only reason for this thread. Let it die.

I just wonder what happened. It's a 10m disaster.

 

I do think the club doesn't have a good system of adapting foreign players ....

The success rate is really worrying. The point is, there's no world-class team that only consist of local players, and in fact, the team is an international all-star.

We have a fair few succeses, im quite happy with a majority english speaking team anyway tbh! The spine of the best English teams is made up of English players barring really Arsenal though in their best period one of their strongest links was the english centre back and one of their best player an English left back.

But we would need to drop Shola to give him a run of games and in Shola's form thats not going to and basically shouldnt happen.

Genius, tmonkey could be right!  blueeek.gif

I dont claim to be "ITK" but I do know someone who has a mate who works at the club and have heard from quite a few others who claim to be "ITK" that Luque is very lazy in training and also from what people have seen and commented on during warm ups, the way he has been frequently left out/last choice seem to suggest this.

There will be a reason why Luque has fallen out with Roeder, Roeder isnt the Souness type of manager who will fall out with players for little to no reason.

Because although shite, at least Shola tries!

 

If you call the amount of time he has been given in comparison to shola I hardly see your  point

Because Shola works his arse off for the team and if he can just about run he will play through the pain to play for us.

I very much doubt Luque would show the same commitment!

Because although shite, at least Shola tries!

Shola's abuse gets an even spread in pretty much every thread, no need for its own one  bluewink.gif

Matty's sig is at odds with his view Shola doesn't get half as much stick as others

 

It is a funny view, its like saying "why the hell did no-one take the p*ss out of Hitler only having one ball"

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I will be soon releasing a book on ways to use Hitler in examples of things  bluebiggrin.gif

It's to be called 'How To Devalue Your Own Argument'

Bringing a mentalist dictator responsible for murdering millions of people and trying to take over the world only adds weight to issue's like "Is Luque actually a good footballer"  tongue.gif

Ok  bluecry.gif

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Matty's sig is at odds with his view Shola doesn't get half as much stick as others

It is a funny view, its like saying "why the hell did no-one take the p*ss out of Hitler only having one ball"

Yes I will be soon releasing a book on ways to use Hitler in examples of things  bluebiggrin.gif

Shola has hit form under Roeder, why drop him for a player who doesnt look to have the apetite?

 

See, that's my point. He's hit form and still barely fits in a premiership team. You think he's playing well cos you know how incredibly shit he is. His hitting form is losing the ball more times then anybody I can remember and a first touch that goes 8 yards away from him (if he's brought it down well). Looks like he woiuld make a good squad player at Watford.

 

You sound like one of those that will slate Shola no matter how he plays tbh.

Spot on, his record under Roeder is something like a goal every 2 games isnt it? Also games like West Ham although he didnt score he put in a good prerformance

BUT

its because he is so sh*t a 1in2 goal ratio looks good!

Shola has hit form under Roeder, why drop him for a player who doesnt look to have the apetite?

Im talking about selling him on, yes he has been rubbish for us but im sure the clubs in Spain have seen enough to know he is actually a talented player.

 

And yet there is jsut a rumour abotu one single spanish club coming in for him,. despite it surely being known he was finished here.

If we listen to rumours (which i personally take with a huge pinch of salt) I think there were about 3 clubs in for him and we didnt think the offer was good enough. We dont know what the offer was, it could have been something the fans would have bitten their hands off for (say £5m) but Shepherd decided after losing so much on Boum this summer he wasnt prepared to write off another £4.5m so quickly.

Obviously all made up but so is half of this thread anyway 

I still think it was more personal problems between Roeder and Luque nothing more if you are going to pay so much money for a player and not play to his abilities then that makes Roeder a bad Manager. Although he seems to have  woken up with Martins now hasn't he?.

Roeder didnt pay that much money for a player though!

Its the same situation as Rafa has found himself in with Cisse, one manager overpays on a player then you are left to sort out the mess. Do you think Liverpool will get anything like £14m for Cisse, does this make Rafa a bad manager?

Im talking about selling him on, yes he has been rubbish for us but im sure the clubs in Spain have seen enough to know he is actually a talented player.

Im sure/hope we can get a decent amount of money for him from Spain (enough to buy someone more useful like Nugent)

 

We got £3.3m (rising too) for Boumsong and believe it or not Luque has actually been a very good player in another league, he isnt a sh*t footballer, he is obviously not cut out for this league, there is a difference!

 

|I cna only speak for how i seen him play here.

 

I had never heard of him before, to any degree, but i have seen him play for us, and the vast, vast majority of times, he's been utter gash.

Doesnt mean he is a sh*te footballer though! I never personally witnessed Hitler being evil but im pretty confident he wasnt the nicest fella around.

Im sure/hope we can get a decent amount of money for him from Spain (enough to buy someone more useful like Nugent)

We got £3.3m (rising too) for Boumsong and believe it or not Luque has actually been a very good player in another league, he isnt a sh*t footballer, he is obviously not cut out for this league, there is a difference!

He will also bring on Shola's game as he is a much more suitable partner.

I think the most important thing is that because we are arguing as to what his best foot is and whether he could have hit a shot he missed with his right or left after just four games, he must be quite good.

I have very high hopes, I wont say exactly how high because people will laugh at me and call me an idiot but lets just say i think he has a bright future here.