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I don't think people are saying that, they just want the lad to have a clean slate so he can have another crack at the whip. On the contrary...... http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,25350.msg474979.html#msg474979 .....and he wasn't the only one. I've changed my mind and I now agree with you 100%, what a player does the previous season is all that matters, current form is utterly irrelivant in deciding wether someone should play for Newcastle......... Seriously, the most important thing when deciding what players to play is form, how the player is playing NOW, not the previous season. If Shola Ameobi started scoring hattricks then the last several seasons of mediocrity would not make a blind bit of difference, he'd play every week in my team. As it is last season we saw Luque start 8 times and make a few short and late sub apearances. Which makes it even more obsured to think that you believe what he did in those games is more important then what he does this season. You've deleveloped an irrational hatred for a player and you're letting it blind you, which is quite typical of a large section of our fanbase. Wouldn't surprise me if you were one of the idiots at St James who were complaining about Luque's goal against Lillistrome. Interesting post that I was going to reply to seriously until the last two daft sentences. Grow up, ffs. 1/10 poorest effort in a long while at dodging a well thought out and presented argument. must try harder Who are you, like?

I'm just amazed that the people who call the board and Fred worse than shit, seriously don't realise the irony when they babble on about us siging players of this kind of stature and world wide reputation. We sold our best player to West Ham because they were better than us at that time, and the Board of today is apparently operating at the same level. bluelaugh.gif

It's worse than that, some think Ronaldo is not good enough for Newcastle! oh aye he's good enough but bollocks if you will see any WC form from him for us, on a december weeknight away to Wigan not worth the aggravation, if you think Dyer is a celebrity playboy, what do you think Ronaldo is like? I agree to the point I believe he'd be a risk. I'm just amazed that the people who call the board and Fred worse than shit, seriously don't realise the irony when they babble on about us siging players of this kind of stature and world wide reputation. We sold our best player to West Ham because they were better than us at that time, and the Board of today is apparently of the same level. bluelaugh.gif

I don't think people are saying that, they just want the lad to have a clean slate so he can have another crack at the whip. On the contrary...... http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,25350.msg474979.html#msg474979 .....and he wasn't the only one. I've changed my mind and I now agree with you 100%, what a player does the previous season is all that matters, current form is utterly irrelivant in deciding wether someone should play for Newcastle......... Seriously, the most important thing when deciding what players to play is form, how the player is playing NOW, not the previous season. If Shola Ameobi started scoring hattricks then the last several seasons of mediocrity would not make a blind bit of difference, he'd play every week in my team. As it is last season we saw Luque start 8 times and make a few short and late sub apearances. Which makes it even more obsured to think that you believe what he did in those games is more important then what he does this season. You've deleveloped an irrational hatred for a player and you're letting it blind you, which is quite typical of a large section of our fanbase. Wouldn't surprise me if you were one of the idiots at St James who were complaining about Luque's goal against Lillistrome. Interesting post that I was going to reply to seriously until the last two daft sentences. Grow up, ffs.

All facts that will be lost on people on this forum. I don't know why people want to award this bloke special treatment.

I don't think people are saying that, they just want the lad to have a clean slate so he can have another crack at the whip. On the contrary...... http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php/topic,25350.msg474979.html#msg474979 .....and he wasn't the only one.

It's academic anyway, 'cos what he didn't do last season doesn't count.....apparently.

We might as well stop buying English players. Owen, Butt, Bramble, Ramage, Chopra bla bla bla, to name a few of those English players who have failed in Newcastle United. No foregin players, no English players. Someone setup an academy in Pluto or Mars please Good point. We have had just as many maybe more english flops, yet we keep on buying them at a steeper price. Why not buy one striker and give Luque his chance. So far this season he has had one performance and 1 goal. That's a 100% record as far as i'm concerned. The situations not complicated, the guy had a poor season because of a horrific injury. Not because he's saddam hussiens evil twin and wants to stay on the bench and earn his 40k a week. The guy had a VERY poor season because his attitude stinks.

So would I. I don't think we'd be offered anywhere near that though.

Fair enough, but Fowler gradually declined. Luque enjoyed probably his best season at 27 just before he joined us. Why would he lose it within a few months at that age? Attitude.

To be fair I started watching games there after we bought Luque, so I only ever saw him on TV for Deportivo. I always thought he was overrated but still a quality player and I was surprised to see us get him as I thought he'd end up at a bigger club. He's still rated highly over there but a little forgotten about as he lost his place in the Spain squad (not surprising considering he didn't play for us almost all season). Nowt personal, but you don't really know much more than anybody else about Luque's form in Spain then? You just know of his reputation? Never claimed to mate, hence why I stuck to the facts. You say you'd sell him for £4.5m, but what sort of replacement striker do you have in mind for that kind of money? Bearing in mind that strikers are going for very inflated prices at the moment. I know you didn't make any such claim, others were claiming such information on your behalf. I don't think I've ever said I'd sell Luque for £4.5m. Doesn't matter who we get in to replace him, he does nowt.

To be fair I started watching games there after we bought Luque, so I only ever saw him on TV for Deportivo. I always thought he was overrated but still a quality player and I was surprised to see us get him as I thought he'd end up at a bigger club. He's still rated highly over there but a little forgotten about as he lost his place in the Spain squad (not surprising considering he didn't play for us almost all season). Nowt personal, but you don't really know much more than anybody else about Luque's form in Spain then? You just know of his reputation?

He's started a few games. He played a few hundred minutes of football last season. Sell him now and he'll go on to be a success with someone else, I'm confident of that. Selling is a gamble as is buying, if we sell a quality player and bring in a crap replacement then we're weaker, so of course you have to consider his pedigree. Would you sell Owen for a few million based on what he's done for us so far? Such as getting rid of our most productive midfield player and bringing in Luque??

If I didn't know anything about Luque before he came here, I'd be inclined to agree with you. In truth he's done nothing for us so far, and hasn't shown much either. But as a follower of Spanish football I've seen enough of him to know that we have a top player on our hands. He was used mostly on the wing in his final season at Depor, largely because of his pace. Yes, believe it or not 12 months ago Luque was pretty quick. Go and watch some highlights of his performance against us in the Riazor, a few weeks before we bought him. I know people are going to say Carr is slow, but he just couldn't handle Luque's pace down our right flank and was lucky not to get sent off after a yellow card and a series of fouls. Or watch his performance against Man Utd on his debut, where he was quick down our left flank and looked like he could make that position his own. He's looked slow ever since, almost certainly because of his injury in only his second game, which was the worst of his career. Roeder described it as 'a horrible hamstring injury' and it put him out for 3 months. The big question is, has he lost a yard of pace permanently or will he get it back with fitness and games? It's difficult to say, he hasn't had a run in the side since he came here. Believe it or not the Deportivo fans are still talking about him on their forum, and mention that they miss the pace that he offered them. If you don't believe me I can point you to it. You mention he's fragile, but he's never had injury problems in his career. He's played over 30 games a season throughout his career. In 3 seasons at Deportivo he only missed 14 games, thats about 5 games a season. In his last season at Depor he played 37 out of 38 games and was the club's top scorer from the left wing with 11 goals. He also had a tendancy to score against the bigger teams, including goals against Villarreal, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Milan (home and away). The player we signed only 12 months ago was a regular in the Spain squad, competing with Vicente for the left-wing spot and attracted the interest of Real, Barcelona and Liverpool. He was pivotal in Deportivo's Champions League semi-final run two years ago, scoring 5 goals. You don't play that well throughout your career and then suddenly turn shit at the age of 28. Are you ready to lose £5m on a player who has only started half a dozen games for us? Personally I think his pedigree suggests we should have a good look at him before we get rid. A player can become that shit at age 28 if they're here for the pay off, here with a poor attitude. Honestly, what you're saying here makes me believe even more that we have a player with a serious problem of attitude. Only he can fix that.

Aye, but Milner's English. :winking:

You'd think he'd start by submitting a transfer request or at least saying something to the media. Probably too lazy to bother.

Hmm, just looks like you've been doing a bit of 'research' there, mate. Can't think why, it's just a forum ffs. Calm down, take a valium, or something. You should listen to your own advice then before accusing people of lacking balls, honour, integrity, having an axe to grind, an agenda, saying what I say to get hits and "fucking every forum you've been a part of for anyone over the age of 15". It's just a forum ffs. Calm down, take a valium, or something. But, but, but..... why would taking a valium stop me posting the truth?

Hmm, just looks like you've been doing a bit of 'research' there, mate. Can't think why, it's just a forum ffs. Calm down, take a valium, or something.

Why? It doesn't matter that he did **** all last season, why should it matter if he does **** all between now and January? He should be binned asap. well considering he had an injury like he did I don't think there are many players playing today who would recover and do a lot more, so I don't see your point! He'd recovered by Xmas from that first injury, fancy expecting him to do something in those last 5 months of the season eh? In the few games or so he got? Lets not forget either that all but Shay and Parker were playing absolute shite until Souness left, only then did others pick up their game. Under Roeder however Luque never got a chance, when he has, he's scored twice in what amounts to 4 starts or something. Footballers have to do something during the week between games. Despite everyone else picking up following the departure of souness, Luque didn't pick up and probably wasn't doing whatever Roeder was expecting from him day to day, otherwise he would have featured more than he did. If you don't agree please have a guess why you think Luque wasn't an automatic choice, given that he is WORLD CLASS. Why did Roeder praise him for his training, then? I just think Roeder doesn't fancy him that much in any position, managers do that rightly or wrongly. I think you are reading too much into his non-selection under Roeder likewise those that claim Roeder has a personal problem with him. I don't think he does, I just think he doesn't like what he sees or sees a place for him in the team. SBR didn't really fancy Bowyer in the middle for some reason, Souness didn't fancy Milner for some reason. It happens. You expect him to come out in public and say he's shit in training? Or just shit anyway? Do you always hang off what these people say as though every word that comes out of their mouth is the truth? Bloody hell! :roll: No I just jump to assumptions :roll: Your opinion is conjecture, a reading between the lines. Roeder praising Luque is fact, I have no reason to not believe what he is saying given that Nobby, Parker, Shearer, Shay and others have all claimed Luque has impressed in training too and watching warm up sessions with my own two eyes also suggests he's not a poor trainer. I remember you regularly bringing some off the cuff comments from Supermac claiming Souness had grabbed Bellamy by the throat to condemn Souness. Do you always hang off what these people say as though every word that comes out of their mouth is the truth? Bloody hell! :roll: First bit in bold...... Based on the fact Roeder doesn't select Luque unless he more or less has no alternative. Care to tell me why he isn't being regularly selected? Second bit in bold..... Your lies don't surprise me anymore, so I couldn't care less what you think you remember. 1. Fact = Roeder didn't select him. Reason = Doesn't fancy him - my opinion. Fact = Roeder and others praised Luque for his efforts in training. 2. Lies? You were the one who claimed Souness should have been sacked for grabbing Bellamy by the throat were you not? I said IF the manager of an employee assaulted that employee they should be sacked, yes. Ah, it's an if now. Cheers As for this Wrong I said back him or sack him as noted in this article http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcviews/truthordare.shtml As for calling you a wanker, can you prove this or is this one of your lies again? BTW I do think you're a wanker, but can't remember calling you one. Maybe you read my mind, you're good at that... :roll: Starting to lose it, mate?

True, but just as likely he could come good if given a chance, no? I believe (just my opinion mind) that if he gets a good run in the team he'll start repaying some of that fee back. Maybe but I think there's less chance of him coming good. Just my opinion like. Hope I'm wrong or we at least get some decent cash for him. From what I've seen of him though, I'm not even sure where he should play exactly, seems like a luxury player without enough end product. I think the chances of him succeeding are slim as well, sadly. I can't see a place for him in the team at the moment for him to get that run of games to prove himself or otherwise. As much as I want to see him succeed and for us to get some value for our money out of him, I concede we would probably be better off cutting our losses because the only way he's going to show he's a 9.5m player is by starting every game in his natural position (whatever that is ) and unless we fail to bring in the strikers we badly need or a major injury happens to N'Zogbia or Duff, I can't see that happening. The criticism from some fans and the local media is way OTT however in my opinion and the whole feeling towards Luque since he arrived from some leaves a sour taste in the mouth that makes me wonder why we even try to sign foreign players because at the first sign of trouble they become "heartless, money grabbing bastards". I'm also of the opinion that should we peddle Luque for a big loss, that will send out a negative message to prospective foreign transfer targets not to come to Newcastle unless they have a Geordie nana or something. Ah, well... :roll: The criticism of Luque is nowt to do with him being a foreigner, it is to do with him lacking effort, heart and desire to play for the club. It starts with him, if he puts that right he will not be criticised for those things. Shouldn't have to be said, tbh. Tell that to the cunts behind me the other week. I'm sure you didn't.

Why? It doesn't matter that he did **** all last season, why should it matter if he does **** all between now and January? He should be binned asap. well considering he had an injury like he did I don't think there are many players playing today who would recover and do a lot more, so I don't see your point! He'd recovered by Xmas from that first injury, fancy expecting him to do something in those last 5 months of the season eh? In the few games or so he got? Lets not forget either that all but Shay and Parker were playing absolute shite until Souness left, only then did others pick up their game. Under Roeder however Luque never got a chance, when he has, he's scored twice in what amounts to 4 starts or something. Footballers have to do something during the week between games. Despite everyone else picking up following the departure of souness, Luque didn't pick up and probably wasn't doing whatever Roeder was expecting from him day to day, otherwise he would have featured more than he did. If you don't agree please have a guess why you think Luque wasn't an automatic choice, given that he is WORLD CLASS. Why did Roeder praise him for his training, then? I just think Roeder doesn't fancy him that much in any position, managers do that rightly or wrongly. I think you are reading too much into his non-selection under Roeder likewise those that claim Roeder has a personal problem with him. I don't think he does, I just think he doesn't like what he sees or sees a place for him in the team. SBR didn't really fancy Bowyer in the middle for some reason, Souness didn't fancy Milner for some reason. It happens. You expect him to come out in public and say he's shit in training? Or just shit anyway? Do you always hang off what these people say as though every word that comes out of their mouth is the truth? Bloody hell! :roll: No I just jump to assumptions :roll: Your opinion is conjecture, a reading between the lines. Roeder praising Luque is fact, I have no reason to not believe what he is saying given that Nobby, Parker, Shearer, Shay and others have all claimed Luque has impressed in training too and watching warm up sessions with my own two eyes also suggests he's not a poor trainer. I remember you regularly bringing some off the cuff comments from Supermac claiming Souness had grabbed Bellamy by the throat to condemn Souness. Do you always hang off what these people say as though every word that comes out of their mouth is the truth? Bloody hell! :roll: First bit in bold...... Based on the fact Roeder doesn't select Luque unless he more or less has no alternative. Care to tell me why he isn't being regularly selected? Second bit in bold..... Your lies don't surprise me anymore, so I couldn't care less what you think you remember. 1. Fact = Roeder didn't select him. Reason = Doesn't fancy him - my opinion. Fact = Roeder and others praised Luque for his efforts in training. 2. Lies? You were the one who claimed Souness should have been sacked for grabbing Bellamy by the throat were you not? I said IF the manager of an employee assaulted that employee they should be sacked, yes. In the case of Souness, you said he should be given all the money he needs to build his own team before being judged. I said he would waste the money and fúck up the club. You called me a wanker.

Mate, Jermaine Jenas cost Spurs £7m and the only thing waiting to burst out of him is his mobile. Price means nothing. Where from?

True, but just as likely he could come good if given a chance, no? I believe (just my opinion mind) that if he gets a good run in the team he'll start repaying some of that fee back. Maybe but I think there's less chance of him coming good. Just my opinion like. Hope I'm wrong or we at least get some decent cash for him. From what I've seen of him though, I'm not even sure where he should play exactly, seems like a luxury player without enough end product. I think the chances of him succeeding are slim as well, sadly. I can't see a place for him in the team at the moment for him to get that run of games to prove himself or otherwise. As much as I want to see him succeed and for us to get some value for our money out of him, I concede we would probably be better off cutting our losses because the only way he's going to show he's a 9.5m player is by starting every game in his natural position (whatever that is ) and unless we fail to bring in the strikers we badly need or a major injury happens to N'Zogbia or Duff, I can't see that happening. The criticism from some fans and the local media is way OTT however in my opinion and the whole feeling towards Luque since he arrived from some leaves a sour taste in the mouth that makes me wonder why we even try to sign foreign players because at the first sign of trouble they become "heartless, money grabbing bastards". I'm also of the opinion that should we peddle Luque for a big loss, that will send out a negative message to prospective foreign transfer targets not to come to Newcastle unless they have a Geordie nana or something. Ah, well... :roll: The criticism of Luque is nowt to do with him being a foreigner, it is to do with him lacking effort, heart and desire to play for the club. It starts with him, if he puts that right he will not be criticised for those things. Shouldn't have to be said, tbh.

Why? It doesn't matter that he did **** all last season, why should it matter if he does **** all between now and January? He should be binned asap. well considering he had an injury like he did I don't think there are many players playing today who would recover and do a lot more, so I don't see your point! He'd recovered by Xmas from that first injury, fancy expecting him to do something in those last 5 months of the season eh? In the few games or so he got? Lets not forget either that all but Shay and Parker were playing absolute shite until Souness left, only then did others pick up their game. Under Roeder however Luque never got a chance, when he has, he's scored twice in what amounts to 4 starts or something. Footballers have to do something during the week between games. Despite everyone else picking up following the departure of souness, Luque didn't pick up and probably wasn't doing whatever Roeder was expecting from him day to day, otherwise he would have featured more than he did. If you don't agree please have a guess why you think Luque wasn't an automatic choice, given that he is WORLD CLASS. Why did Roeder praise him for his training, then? I just think Roeder doesn't fancy him that much in any position, managers do that rightly or wrongly. I think you are reading too much into his non-selection under Roeder likewise those that claim Roeder has a personal problem with him. I don't think he does, I just think he doesn't like what he sees or sees a place for him in the team. SBR didn't really fancy Bowyer in the middle for some reason, Souness didn't fancy Milner for some reason. It happens. You expect him to come out in public and say he's shit in training? Or just shit anyway? Do you always hang off what these people say as though every word that comes out of their mouth is the truth? Bloody hell! :roll: No I just jump to assumptions :roll: Your opinion is conjecture, a reading between the lines. Roeder praising Luque is fact, I have no reason to not believe what he is saying given that Nobby, Parker, Shearer, Shay and others have all claimed Luque has impressed in training too and watching warm up sessions with my own two eyes also suggests he's not a poor trainer. I remember you regularly bringing some off the cuff comments from Supermac claiming Souness had grabbed Bellamy by the throat to condemn Souness. Do you always hang off what these people say as though every word that comes out of their mouth is the truth? Bloody hell! :roll: First bit in bold...... Based on the fact Roeder doesn't select Luque unless he more or less has no alternative. Care to tell me why he isn't being regularly selected? Second bit in bold..... Your lies don't surprise me anymore, so I couldn't care less what you think you remember.

Not saying I agree with your post but it wasn't bad until the last sentence when that toddler jumped in. Roll on the next 10 years and maturity, eh. You have accused me of having an agenda, an axe to grind and "out to get hits" so who actually is the bairn here, me or you? :roll: Just stating facts. Where's that violin?