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Why? Are you on the lookout for one? I'd grassroots is on the lookout for one, certainly has something on his 'mind'. Don't worry, you can still be my bitch, after all, you like following me around. Fetch me a can from the fridge pet, there's a good lass. No need to follow you around, mate.

Not interested in the history of the club you claim to support. I expect you'd be one of the 20,000. Shurrup man you boring auld fart. Of course i'm interested in the history of NUFC. What i'm not so interested in is 14 pages of petty argueing and bickering between individuals who are too stubborn to realise that opinions exist other than their own. Must be on about grassroots, Mick and some others. Unless you're claiming it is just an opinion of mine that players such as McDermott, Kennedy, Beardsley, Waddle and Gazza all left the club because the Board didn't have the same level of ambition to succeed as those individuals did? Are you really saying you have an interest in the history of the club and that this information is just an opinion?

Why? Are you on the lookout for one? I'd think grassroots is on the lookout for one, certainly has something on his 'mind'.

You should be banned for such a suggestion. :winking:

the point, is to point out to those who whinge on about wanting to be like Liverpool, we have been striving to match Liverpool since 1958, and it is to show that since the Halls and Shepherd took over the club we are massively nearer to challenging them than we have been since before they took over the club. And also to point out the mistaken view to many people have that we won trophies galore, always played in europe, always bought top quality footballers and always filled the stadium before the Halls and Shepherd took over the club. It is also to point out that many, many clubs in the past have fallen from heights of actually being championship winners, European Cup winners, through chaning boards or simply just getting things wrong, so being careful and wishing the replacement of a board who have presided such a big improvement, may not necessarily be the golden egg that you hope for. Understand ? Thought not. There are plenty of Luque threads if you want to read something easier and less boring ........ or should I say, not testing your knowledge of the club too much. Meanwhile, I see that Grass has not posted these stats he was going to post yet, nor have he and Mick responded to the facts/questions I have posted, which I am assured happens on a mature board. Now you see, there you go again. I perfectly understand what your point is. Why the need to question the intelligence of another poster?? :roll: It's not the content of your posts that I've got a problem with. In fact I agree with quite a bit of what you say. I can also understand the counter arguments. My main problem is with the fact that you just can't seem to accept that someone could possibly disagree with you. Just because you think something is true doesn't automatically mean it is so. You can't stop people from having an opinion and obviously different people will interpret things differently. As Wullie has said, at least this topic has been contained to one thread. We should all be grateful for small mercies. Nice to know I'm not the only one fed up of this too. I'm fed with it as well. Fed up of repeating the fact that not a small number of quality players left the club while firing a shot that the club was unambitious and unprofessional. That's not an opinion, mate. It's a solid fact. The problem on this forum is caused not by people who don't accept others are entitled to an opinion, that's bollocks because everyone is entitled to that. We don't all agree on the quality of players for example, but that's generally subjective. Me saying Luque is shit is no more a fact than someone saying he's a good player. No, the problem is that a number of people refuse to face facts for whatever reason. I'm not your mate. :| Constructive reply there, mate.

Didn't see that coming Well that's pretty normal for you, mate. Head up arse, and all that.

the point, is to point out to those who whinge on about wanting to be like Liverpool, we have been striving to match Liverpool since 1958, and it is to show that since the Halls and Shepherd took over the club we are massively nearer to challenging them than we have been since before they took over the club. And also to point out the mistaken view to many people have that we won trophies galore, always played in europe, always bought top quality footballers and always filled the stadium before the Halls and Shepherd took over the club. It is also to point out that many, many clubs in the past have fallen from heights of actually being championship winners, European Cup winners, through chaning boards or simply just getting things wrong, so being careful and wishing the replacement of a board who have presided such a big improvement, may not necessarily be the golden egg that you hope for. Understand ? Thought not. There are plenty of Luque threads if you want to read something easier and less boring ........ or should I say, not testing your knowledge of the club too much. Meanwhile, I see that Grass has not posted these stats he was going to post yet, nor have he and Mick responded to the facts/questions I have posted, which I am assured happens on a mature board. Now you see, there you go again. I perfectly understand what your point is. Why the need to question the intelligence of another poster?? :roll: It's not the content of your posts that I've got a problem with. In fact I agree with quite a bit of what you say. I can also understand the counter arguments. My main problem is with the fact that you just can't seem to accept that someone could possibly disagree with you. Just because you think something is true doesn't automatically mean it is so. You can't stop people from having an opinion and obviously different people will interpret things differently. As Wullie has said, at least this topic has been contained to one thread. We should all be grateful for small mercies. Nice to know I'm not the only one fed up of this too. I'm fed with it as well. Fed up of repeating the fact that not a small number of quality players left the club while firing a shot that the club was unambitious and unprofessional. That's not an opinion, mate. It's a solid fact. The problem on this forum is caused not by people who don't accept others are entitled to an opinion, that's bollocks because everyone is entitled to that. We don't all agree on the quality of players for example, but that's generally subjective. Me saying Luque is shit is no more a fact than someone saying he's a good player. No, the problem is that a number of people refuse to face facts for whatever reason.

If you say so.

Souness.

Hmm, a negative comment about Luque. Stand by for some to start moaning now about the thread being full of repeated comment. Strange how it's not considered a shite or repeating theme unless the usual suspects disagree with some posts.

I take it somebody held a gun to your head and forced you to read it, like? I'm just glad you don't try to post any opinions on it, although if you did I'm sure it would be hilarious. Parody, tbh.

Are you another empty headed type with no interest in history? I expect this lack of interest in anything other than 'yourself' and 'today' extends well beyond football matters. Anyway, the bit I put in bold. You make it sound like some kind of put down. I'm merely mentioning that although that's when I started to go to matches myself I have an interest in events relating to the club before that time. It's called context, mate. Here's a bit of help for you........... con·text Audio pronunciation of "context" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kntkst) n. 1. The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning.

Pidgin English?

No, in fact we are miles apart. While you and FOOTSOLDIER are intent on looking at the negative qualities of said players, I am prepared to look at the positive, i.e, Shola's local links, recent goals record, running ability, etc... Luque's undoubted class, finishing ability, and the rest. You and Footsoldier are in agreement also, correct? Earlier you said.... We do agree, unless you want to retract the bits I've put in bold. You just have a 'more gentle' way of writing it, especially the bit about the heartless Spaniard.

Not interested in the history of the club you claim to support. I expect you'd be one of the 20,000. I can't understand people having zero interest in the history of the club. I started going in 1968 but that's not when the club began. I find the history fascinating, tbh.

Not interested in the history of the club you claim to support. I expect you'd be one of the 20,000.

Of course one of the reasons will have been because they would do nowt in the league, I guess the same thing would happen now if it wasn't for such a high number of season ticket holders. Hmm, that's not saying much for the loyalty of the current support, is it? I mean, you're saying that you think over 20,000 people who currently go to SJP would desert the club right now?

I do agree that they could have kept it, of course they could. At least now accounts are openly published, I don't think it was the case back then, if it was then they couldn't be seen as easily as they can today. I've said before and it may have been in this thread, that the old board appeared to be dodgy. I don't know if you remember but I couldn't believe attendance figures during the first season in which we had Keegan, they would publish the crowd figures and they would be low while I was getting crushed in the Gallowgate. I was in the Gallowgate against QPR and seemed to have more room to move then I did in games later on that season when they said we had a smaller crowd. I’m not trying to make the old board look good, I was one of those who stayed behind in the Leazes during our last game of the season before they pulled it down only to return for the first game of the next season to find where I stood had become a porta-loo and that the terrace was about twenty rows deep. The games I recall being crammed in were generally cup ties. Just been looking back at the crowd figures, the '74 FA Cup 1/4 final against Nottm Forest was just over 54,000. Interestingly the normal league attendance that season was ~27000. That's a lot of extra people suddenly appearing out of nowhere, who disappeared for league matches. I wonder why? Interesting, the figure I've got for that season is 32,467. I'll bet it's in the top 4 or 5 in the country although I don't know that for certain. Edit, I was probably wrong http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mickzoe/seasons/season%20summaries/nufc_history_1973-74.html Is that the best you can do in a serious debate? I'm disappointed. Honest. I know you like to come across with your buddies as a bit smug, but at the end of the day you don't really want to face up to the challenge of a debate with someone who was really there, do you, Mick? I mentioned the season Keegan signed as a player then you mentioned '74 and the average crown figure. I didn't remember too many low crowds around the Forrest game so went and found the figure and pointed out that it was higher than you thought, I can't see anything wrong with that, I'm surprised you find fault with it really. It wasn't as if we were arguing, at least I didn't think we were. At least you got something right, 'cos we aren't arguing. Mick, we don't have to agree, but is there something in particular preventing you from trying to engage in a debate? Fair enough, I didn't look at the average, but then I didn't even think about it because it's not vital to know the exact average in relation to the point I'm making. The question didn't have anything to do with an exact average attendance, the question was to do with why so few people turned up for league matches compared to cup matches. So my initial posted indicated that difference as 27,000 because I quickly scanned over the fixtures and noticed quite a few around that mark, but the average you insist on using cuts that difference to a mere 21,000. Well that's still a significant difference, wouldn't you agree? Why do you think attendances were so much lower for league matches than for cup matches? Do you think it may be because those extra 'supporters' weren't that interested because they knew we would do nowt in the league?

I do agree that they could have kept it, of course they could. At least now accounts are openly published, I don't think it was the case back then, if it was then they couldn't be seen as easily as they can today. I've said before and it may have been in this thread, that the old board appeared to be dodgy. I don't know if you remember but I couldn't believe attendance figures during the first season in which we had Keegan, they would publish the crowd figures and they would be low while I was getting crushed in the Gallowgate. I was in the Gallowgate against QPR and seemed to have more room to move then I did in games later on that season when they said we had a smaller crowd. I’m not trying to make the old board look good, I was one of those who stayed behind in the Leazes during our last game of the season before they pulled it down only to return for the first game of the next season to find where I stood had become a porta-loo and that the terrace was about twenty rows deep. The games I recall being crammed in were generally cup ties. Just been looking back at the crowd figures, the '74 FA Cup 1/4 final against Nottm Forest was just over 54,000. Interestingly the normal league attendance that season was ~27000. That's a lot of extra people suddenly appearing out of nowhere, who disappeared for league matches. I wonder why? Interesting, the figure I've got for that season is 32,467. I'll bet it's in the top 4 or 5 in the country although I don't know that for certain. Edit, I was probably wrong http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mickzoe/seasons/season%20summaries/nufc_history_1973-74.html Is that the best you can do in a serious debate? I'm disappointed. Honest. I know you like to come across with your buddies as a bit smug, but at the end of the day you don't really want to face up to the challenge of a debate with someone who was really there, do you, Mick?

Grassroots ( or should I say parody ) While you're digging around in your book(s) for your secondhand information, you might try telling me why the following players were sold: Robson Kennedy McDermott Beardsley Waddle Gascoigne Surely you'll come across it, it's common knowledge for Newcastle supporters, but is bound to be in print somewhere for people such as you who do nowt but slag the club. There are others, not as high profile as these but players who were decent players for the club and who moved on for similar reasons. Fit the answer in around nicking a car.

I do agree that they could have kept it, of course they could. At least now accounts are openly published, I don't think it was the case back then, if it was then they couldn't be seen as easily as they can today. I've said before and it may have been in this thread, that the old board appeared to be dodgy. I don't know if you remember but I couldn't believe attendance figures during the first season in which we had Keegan, they would publish the crowd figures and they would be low while I was getting crushed in the Gallowgate. I was in the Gallowgate against QPR and seemed to have more room to move then I did in games later on that season when they said we had a smaller crowd. I’m not trying to make the old board look good, I was one of those who stayed behind in the Leazes during our last game of the season before they pulled it down only to return for the first game of the next season to find where I stood had become a porta-loo and that the terrace was about twenty rows deep. The games I recall being crammed in were generally cup ties. Just been looking back at the crowd figures, the '74 FA Cup 1/4 final against Nottm Forest was just over 54,000. Interestingly the normal league attendance that season was ~27000. That's a lot of extra people suddenly appearing out of nowhere, who disappeared for league matches. I wonder why?

and not withstanding their baggage, in the last 18 months we have sold two of the last 6 PFA Young Player of the Year winners. We are still a seller of our better young players. Zog will be the next test And the connection between that and selling players who would have stayed, but departed while accusing the club of a lack of ambition is......?

You really are slow, I said it was significant because we didn't get the grants, the grants were enough for Man U to build a stand with government money, the stand cost £350,000. In the early 70's we had to build a stand with our own money, we couldn't do anything else with that money because we could only spend it once. If we had of been a World Cup ground then we would have had free money to do that, we could have spent it on players, that's the suggestion I'm making. As for the other clubs winning things, they probably had a better chairman than we've currently got, is that possible? Shearer, Given and Rob Lee not wanting to leave, thank Sir John Hall for the state in which he left the club. He built the foundations of a successful club, the fact that the trophy cabinet is still bare isn't because of him, I'm quite sure that we would have done better under him if he had stayed and not handed it over to Shepherd. You keep banging on about poor directors then don't see any significance in what Shepherd was handed to him on a plate. I suppose you're correct that the club COULD have spent extra money on players, but all of the evidence of the time period in question indicates that they wouldn't have spent the money on players. I look forward to your comment on that. If you don't agree, please give me some evidence to support the idea players would have been signed from a position of strength, rather than from a position of being relegation candidates.

HTL wants response to footsoldiers comments so let me oblige. Ameobi has played 200 matches, true - but quite a few of those have been from the subs bench or out wide. I would argue that his contribution is anything but poor in matches. He has won us a fair few pens and free kicks running at defenders and his recent goalscoring record has been ok. He's not a top class striker by any means but a useful squad player IMO. Luque on the other hand is clearly a high class player, anyone who saw his goal will appreciate that except for the most blinkered. looks to me like he doesn't fancy English football though which makes him an expensive luxury. Thanks, I understand what you're saying. If only a few more would make the effort to respond we might even get a debate going on this forum. From what you've posted I think we're close to agreement, you just haven't posted it such a straightforward way. Ameobi isn't good enough for what we want and that Luque is a waste of space. To suggest Ameobi is only good enough to be a squad player is something I'd agree with right now, and that Luque doesn't fancy English footballl is spot on, in my OPINION.

There's only one person being honest in our exchanges, mate. And it's not you, like.