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Giving Butt a new contract would be absolute madness.  Souness had the right idea in shipping him off. 

It frustrates me that successive managers have refused to take this position seriously.  Danny Guthrie has performed well, but he wasn't the sort of quality we needed.  If you take a look at the options that good mid table sides above us in the table have in central midfield it is really sad.  And embarrassing if we reward that sort of aging mediocrity with a new contract.

If we are still in the Premiership: Owen, if we can afford him. 

If we have been relegated: Edgar, Harper & Ameobi.

No, the players are not afraid to win games, the manager screwed up and that is the reason we didn't win yesterday.  He totally changed the shape of a team who had been comfortably controlling the game for 45 minutes through moving 3 players to get around 1 player having to go off.  I can't see the point in looking for any other reason than that.  Taking off Martins was also another balls up and it's one that has been repeated too often without Kinnear learning from his mistake.

 

Aye spot on in terms of yesterday but it is becoming a bit of a habit if you look at the City, Wigan and very nearly the West Brom games.

And Coventry, again conceding late on.

I don't buy the argument that this is all tactical.  It certainly doesn't help if your manager is incompetent, but the habit of conceding late goals is mental as much as anything.  As much as I disagree with defending a lead and playing too conservatively, our players should be able to defend a 2-0 lead for 45 minutes at home against Stoke without Martins, without Guthrie, and with players out of position.  They shouldn't be forced into that position, but I don't think it is asking too much. 

Kinnear's own erratic behavior suggests that he may contribute to the problem of mental weakness, so it may be a case of failing to lead by example.  But I'm guessing it takes a little more damage than Kinnear or any manager is capable of inflicting in order to fold like our players did in the second half.  And we know this problem existed before Kinnear even arrived.  We have seen this set of players flap about and panic under Keegan too. 

Yes.  They are cowards.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man.  Nile Ranger. 

Beye.

There is no realistic replacement, or at least not one for the short term.  And the short term is all that matters until the end of the season.  So keep him so long as we stay close.  Back him in the transfer market, we have to try and spend our way out of this.  It is the one advantage we might still have over the likes of West Ham, Blackburn etc.  Target experienced players at mid table clubs, overpay if necessary.  Heskey, Bullard....some of the players Pompey can't afford to keep, maybe some top 4 rejects who we can still afford to pay.  They don't need to be long termers.  If we fall several points behind and drop into the bottom three, and if things look very bad at the end of February, sack him and publicly beg Shearer to step in until the end of the season.  Make him come out and refuse, twist his arm.  Hope for a new manager honeymoon, pray that it gives enough of a lift to raise performances.  This should be the nuclear option, only exercised as a last resort. 

There isn't really going to be a more winnable home game all season, and we didn't win it.  1 point is no consolation at all. 

They can have all that, it won't matter though since they most likley can't play football. f*** PL experience, go for quality instead.

Zero learning curve.  There are going to be cold, miserable trips to f***ing Hull, Bolton and Stoke to look forward to in the new year.  And our Premiership status will depend on winning those games.  We don't need quality, we need results. 

We need players that are both physically and mentally strong with experience playing in England. 

Well I hope YG is right obviously.  I really hope there are some self respecting, competent professionals at the club being so mismanaged that they can't beat Stoke at home.  Because that would suggest we are one good manager away from a good team and climbing up the table.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is the case.  I just don't think they are up for it.  The players have the manager they deserve.

worrying feeling.... actually i felt i can accept being relegated now!

 

We've been here before. We're going nowhere.

 

No mate. The closest we've been to this was under Keegan last season. Only then, we had Kevin Keegan as manager.

 

This is the closest we've been to relegation since our time in the Premiership. And we've got Joe f***ing Kinnear to mastermind us out of it.

When we had the long stretch where Keegan won fuck all, was that down to tactics and substitutions or the performances of the exact same group of players? 

Revoted, 7.  Odds on now, I just can't see us staying up.  The god damn plane has crashed into the mountain. 

If there was ever evidence to suggest the manager is at fault here, and not the players, then this is f***ing it.

 

Literally aghast at anyone who can defend Jokeinnear today.

If this is all down to the manager, why does it keep happening in the last 5 minutes of games?  Why don't we get beat by large margins?  Why do these bad tactics and poor substitutions (not denying that they aren't) always seem to cost us at the moment when the players are under the most pressure?

There are many problems, Kinnear is one.  But there are inferior teams lower league with bigger idiots in charge who could maintain a 2-0 lead at home.  We regularly concede late goals because the players fold.

Put another way, on the list of people who I would currently enjoy shouting at and possibly hitting with a blunt object, Joe Kinnear would rank 4th or 5th after Faye and a few of our worst players.

As for Kinnear being the reason for why we won the first half.

 

Erm... right... congratulations Kinnear on picking two strikers and two wingers, playing as two strikers and two wingers.

 

If we stay up, it's because of the players. We'll stay up in spite of the manager.

You honestly think Kinnear took them into the dressing room with a 2-0 lead and said "right lads, all change second half, sit back and defend your lead, no getting forward now!" 

If this is all down to tactics and not the character of the players, why are we always conceding at the end of matches?  Why do the poor tactics and bad substitutions always cost us at the same time?  It's like magic.

The reality is that whatever superior technical skill some of our players have is wasted, because there is no leadership and no character.  They can't maintain a lead because they lack the balls.  Stoke scored twice not because they have a better manager or superior quality, but because they don't give up whereas our own team fold at the first sign of pressure.

They don't have the balls for this fight, which is why we will likely go down. 

At the moment we have a clueless manager in charge of a team of talent deficient cowards.

Sack Kinnear, and you will be left with the same group of talent deficient cowards and Chris Houghton. 

NUFC 2-2 Manchester City (Ireland 86)

NUFC 2-2 Wigan (Bramble 89)

NUFC 2-2 Stoke (Faye 90+2)

 

Kinnear is just such a f***ing joke. I am so f***ing pissed off that he is in charge of our club. Useless. Paddy. f***ing. t***.

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It really is shocking how Kinnear's tactical ineptness always seems to cost us in the 90th minute.

This blaming Joe Kinnear is getting on my nerves.

Yes, he is clueless.  He has the tactics of Souness.  Who gives a shit?  Did Stoke win this because of the tactical prowess of Tony Pulis? 

WHY THE FUCKING HELL DON'T A GROUP OF 11 PROFESSIONALS HAVE THE BOTTLE TO MAINTAIN A 2-0 LEAD AGAINST THE WORST TEAM IN THE COUNTRY?  Jesus.  No spine, no respect, gutless, hopeless, limp wristed chickens.  I have no respect whatsoever for these people, none at all.  It is making supporting this club difficult.  They will take this club down, shrug, and move on. 

They deserve to go down, simple as that. 

We're going down.

At this point we could do with a captain, a bit of leadership to calm everyone down.  2-1 lead at home against Stoke, a team of 14 year old girls should have enough composure to maintain that.  Come on lads.

What were the powers that be thinking when they went into a season with Guthrie, Geremi, Butt and an imprisoned Barton?  How utterly fucking stupid. 

Is this second half performance tactics or the players losing their nerve again?

That is coming dangerously close to substantive communication with supporters.  Well done Joe.

^ "You either die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain,"

  Very disappointing.  Regardless of who said what this provides another off the field distraction at a crucial time in the season.  He's made the apparent Glasgow circus debts his first priority, you don't sue the club out of principle.  This is just indefensible.  If he has a case for wrongful dismissal, if he was really being undermined by Wise & Ashley, let's hear about in the tell all biography in a few years time.  Don't take the club to court when the team is fighting to survive.