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Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years. Gullit...? aye, Gullit. And Vialli too, where is he these days When did Liverpool appoint Roy Evans ? And just before Wenger, Arsenal appointed Rioch, who last a year. Roy Evans? 1994. More than ten years ago. Rioch? 1995. More than ten years ago. But here on planet Earth, Keegan did leave. The discussion was about Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, following on from your post that specifically cited those clubs. Stop trying to move the goalposts just because it's sunk in that you can't win that one. Are you conceding that only 4 clubs have made less bad choices as manager than us ? No, I was pointing out that clubs you mentioned in defence of Shepherd re. managerial appointments as "having made bad decisions" had, in the period of Shepherd's reign, made hardly any bad managerial decisions. Your pie-eating poster boy has, in fact, made more bad managerial appointments than all four of those clubs put together. Do let us know when you intend to arrive. Unfortunately for you, the word "four" is significant, again. Because they are the only 4 clubs that you can name blah blah blah usual bullshit blah No, you named them. I merely demonstrated how that defeated your own argument. No, my arguement is that only 4 clubs have qualified more than us for europe, and I named them. Who else can you name ? You seem to have the memory of a goldfish. Your argument was this: To which I pointed out that in the period that Shepherd has been making the decisions, he has made more bad choices than those four clubs put together. two of them have not made a decision at all. No need. They had chairmen intelligent enough to get it right and who then backed their managers. only 2 though ? The other 89 clubs should all follow their outstanding example and make long term appointments that all work out so everybody wins trophies galore. And now many of those 89 also have the other resources needed for success? Look at it this way. How many English clubs have won more trophies than us since Shepherd has been in charge? About nine, I think. Maybe it's even more. Now how many of those clubs have a stronger fan base than us? More money? A bigger stadium? 8 to be precise. The 4 names I mention, plus : smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn, and Spuds However, If you would swap our last decade with the smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn winning the League Cup - complete with relegations - and Spuds then its your lookout. Each to their own. With a view like that though, I bet you are one of those who think finishing 15th in the 1970's for 3 consecutive years and reaching the FA Cup Final is a real golden era, just because we had a centre forward to idolise ? Shame if you do, but now consider 2nd, 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 14th and 7th nowadays to be failure, why is this ? Do you have some kind of bizarre psychological aversion to answering a simple question? This one was: Now how many of those clubs have a stronger fan base than us? More money? A bigger stadium? We had a stronger base than 20-odd teams for over 30 years who finished above us, now it is only 4 teams who have qualified for europe more than us by virtue of league position over a decade. Thats quite an improvement. Now, my question to you was : to be precise. The 4 names I mention, plus : smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn, and Spuds However, If you would swap our last decade with the smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn winning the League Cup - complete with relegations - and Spuds then its your lookout. Each to their own. With a view like that though, I bet you are one of those who think finishing 15th in the 1970's for 3 consecutive years and reaching the FA Cup Final is a real golden era, just because we had a centre forward to idolise ? Shame if you do, but now consider 2nd, 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 14th and 7th nowadays to be failure, why is this ? Try again. You still didn't answer my question. Or, I notice, Baggio's ? which was even easier. Is it some kind of phobia? Have you considered getting professional help? I have answered you. This is a particular pointless lie because anyone can see that you haven't. No, but I was interested in your inability to answer his question, too. This was it: "Do you think the club is going backwards and other clubs are overtaking us?" You can't say yes, because you trying to pretend that Shepherd is doing a great job, but you can't say no, because it's obvious that the club is going backwards and other clubs are overtaking us. Similar thing with my unanswered question, which involves acknowledging that lots of clubs are managing their resources much better than Shepherd has done. Another pathetic attempt to change the subject. I have gave Baggio my comments on the board almost as much as you. He thinks a DOF will cure all ills, so obviously everybody should appoint a DOF then everybody will be successful and there will never be any failures ever again, and we will win all the cups and trophies just like everybody else who has a DOF, especially all the club who have qualified for europe more than us, which is every club in the country, bar 4. So, why do you think we had over 20 clubs finishing above us on a regular basis for over 30 years despite having a huge fanbase and the ability to fill the stadium every home game ? The question about Bellamy is a long standing one, that you have never answered, and I just remembered about it. I've never said it will cure all of our problems at all, I've said other clubs have had success with it and we should look into finding someone to totally transform our youth scouting set up. Stop making things up. Can you answer this NE5, fourth time I've asked you. Do you think the club is going backwards and other clubs are overtaking us? A simple yes or no will do. I believe Alan Irving did this job when Dalglish restored the youth policy. Roeder also carried on where he left off. I think that it is fairly obvious that everybody ought to improve every year, so everybody gets better every year, and failure will become a thing of the past, and nobody will ever finish in a lower position than before, if they appoint someone to make the right appointment every time, and for that person to appoint the right manager every time. Happy ? There is nothing wrong with Newcastle United that a good manager won't put right, and he will be backed by the board, which is better than the vast majority of clubs who don't back their managers, as have had ourselves, and any current replacements we might have running the club, because such a thing is not automatic and is highly possible. It is pointless explaining this to you any more, because you clearly think a replacement board will get everything right, every time, and show huge ambition and back their managers to the hilt, because we have a right to expect this and it simply isn't possible to have a board who is happy to sit in mid table, take higher dividends, lose out on signing the top players because they won't pay their wage demands, and not be bothered about keeping our best players. Your chums on the other board will agree with you, if thats what you want and what makes you happy. Thats the last time I answer your comments about DOF's, and daft unrealistic expectations BTW. I'm bored with them. Another laughable failure to answer a simple question.

Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years. Gullit...? aye, Gullit. And Vialli too, where is he these days When did Liverpool appoint Roy Evans ? And just before Wenger, Arsenal appointed Rioch, who last a year. Roy Evans? 1994. More than ten years ago. Rioch? 1995. More than ten years ago. But here on planet Earth, Keegan did leave. The discussion was about Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, following on from your post that specifically cited those clubs. Stop trying to move the goalposts just because it's sunk in that you can't win that one. Are you conceding that only 4 clubs have made less bad choices as manager than us ? No, I was pointing out that clubs you mentioned in defence of Shepherd re. managerial appointments as "having made bad decisions" had, in the period of Shepherd's reign, made hardly any bad managerial decisions. Your pie-eating poster boy has, in fact, made more bad managerial appointments than all four of those clubs put together. Do let us know when you intend to arrive. Unfortunately for you, the word "four" is significant, again. Because they are the only 4 clubs that you can name blah blah blah usual bullshit blah No, you named them. I merely demonstrated how that defeated your own argument. No, my arguement is that only 4 clubs have qualified more than us for europe, and I named them. Who else can you name ? You seem to have the memory of a goldfish. Your argument was this: To which I pointed out that in the period that Shepherd has been making the decisions, he has made more bad choices than those four clubs put together. two of them have not made a decision at all. No need. They had chairmen intelligent enough to get it right and who then backed their managers. only 2 though ? The other 89 clubs should all follow their outstanding example and make long term appointments that all work out so everybody wins trophies galore. And now many of those 89 also have the other resources needed for success? Look at it this way. How many English clubs have won more trophies than us since Shepherd has been in charge? About nine, I think. Maybe it's even more. Now how many of those clubs have a stronger fan base than us? More money? A bigger stadium? 8 to be precise. The 4 names I mention, plus : smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn, and Spuds However, If you would swap our last decade with the smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn winning the League Cup - complete with relegations - and Spuds then its your lookout. Each to their own. With a view like that though, I bet you are one of those who think finishing 15th in the 1970's for 3 consecutive years and reaching the FA Cup Final is a real golden era, just because we had a centre forward to idolise ? Shame if you do, but now consider 2nd, 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 14th and 7th nowadays to be failure, why is this ? Do you have some kind of bizarre psychological aversion to answering a simple question? This one was: Now how many of those clubs have a stronger fan base than us? More money? A bigger stadium? We had a stronger base than 20-odd teams for over 30 years who finished above us, now it is only 4 teams who have qualified for europe more than us by virtue of league position over a decade. Thats quite an improvement. Now, my question to you was : to be precise. The 4 names I mention, plus : smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn, and Spuds However, If you would swap our last decade with the smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn winning the League Cup - complete with relegations - and Spuds then its your lookout. Each to their own. With a view like that though, I bet you are one of those who think finishing 15th in the 1970's for 3 consecutive years and reaching the FA Cup Final is a real golden era, just because we had a centre forward to idolise ? Shame if you do, but now consider 2nd, 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 14th and 7th nowadays to be failure, why is this ? Try again. You still didn't answer my question. Or, I notice, Baggio's ? which was even easier. Is it some kind of phobia? Have you considered getting professional help? I have answered you. This is a particular pointless lie because anyone can see that you haven't. No, but I was interested in your inability to answer his question, too. This was it: "Do you think the club is going backwards and other clubs are overtaking us?" You can't say yes, because you trying to pretend that Shepherd is doing a great job, but you can't say no, because it's obvious that the club is going backwards and other clubs are overtaking us. Similar thing with my unanswered question, which involves acknowledging that lots of clubs are managing their resources much better than Shepherd has done. Another pathetic attempt to change the subject. I have gave Baggio my comments on the board almost as much as you. He thinks a DOF will cure all ills, so obviously everybody should appoint a DOF then everybody will be successful and there will never be any failures ever again, and we will win all the cups and trophies just like everybody else who has a DOF, especially all the club who have qualified for europe more than us, which is every club in the country, bar 4. So, why do you think we had over 20 clubs finishing above us on a regular basis for over 30 years despite having a huge fanbase and the ability to fill the stadium every home game ? The question about Bellamy is a long standing one, that you have never answered, and I just remembered about it. Please stop these childish attempts to change the subject and answer my simple question.

Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years. Gullit...? aye, Gullit. And Vialli too, where is he these days When did Liverpool appoint Roy Evans ? And just before Wenger, Arsenal appointed Rioch, who last a year. Roy Evans? 1994. More than ten years ago. Rioch? 1995. More than ten years ago. But here on planet Earth, Keegan did leave. The discussion was about Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, following on from your post that specifically cited those clubs. Stop trying to move the goalposts just because it's sunk in that you can't win that one. Are you conceding that only 4 clubs have made less bad choices as manager than us ? No, I was pointing out that clubs you mentioned in defence of Shepherd re. managerial appointments as "having made bad decisions" had, in the period of Shepherd's reign, made hardly any bad managerial decisions. Your pie-eating poster boy has, in fact, made more bad managerial appointments than all four of those clubs put together. Do let us know when you intend to arrive. Unfortunately for you, the word "four" is significant, again. Because they are the only 4 clubs that you can name blah blah blah usual bullshit blah No, you named them. I merely demonstrated how that defeated your own argument. No, my arguement is that only 4 clubs have qualified more than us for europe, and I named them. Who else can you name ? You seem to have the memory of a goldfish. Your argument was this: To which I pointed out that in the period that Shepherd has been making the decisions, he has made more bad choices than those four clubs put together. two of them have not made a decision at all. No need. They had chairmen intelligent enough to get it right and who then backed their managers. only 2 though ? The other 89 clubs should all follow their outstanding example and make long term appointments that all work out so everybody wins trophies galore. And now many of those 89 also have the other resources needed for success? Look at it this way. How many English clubs have won more trophies than us since Shepherd has been in charge? About nine, I think. Maybe it's even more. Now how many of those clubs have a stronger fan base than us? More money? A bigger stadium? 8 to be precise. The 4 names I mention, plus : smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn, and Spuds However, If you would swap our last decade with the smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn winning the League Cup - complete with relegations - and Spuds then its your lookout. Each to their own. With a view like that though, I bet you are one of those who think finishing 15th in the 1970's for 3 consecutive years and reaching the FA Cup Final is a real golden era, just because we had a centre forward to idolise ? Shame if you do, but now consider 2nd, 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 14th and 7th nowadays to be failure, why is this ? Do you have some kind of bizarre psychological aversion to answering a simple question? This one was: Now how many of those clubs have a stronger fan base than us? More money? A bigger stadium? We had a stronger base than 20-odd teams for over 30 years who finished above us, now it is only 4 teams who have qualified for europe more than us by virtue of league position over a decade. Thats quite an improvement. Now, my question to you was : to be precise. The 4 names I mention, plus : smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn, and Spuds However, If you would swap our last decade with the smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn winning the League Cup - complete with relegations - and Spuds then its your lookout. Each to their own. With a view like that though, I bet you are one of those who think finishing 15th in the 1970's for 3 consecutive years and reaching the FA Cup Final is a real golden era, just because we had a centre forward to idolise ? Shame if you do, but now consider 2nd, 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 14th and 7th nowadays to be failure, why is this ? Try again. You still didn't answer my question. Or, I notice, Baggio's ? which was even easier. Is it some kind of phobia? Have you considered getting professional help? I have answered you. This is a particular pointless lie because anyone can see that you haven't. No, but I was interested in your inability to answer his question, too. This was it: "Do you think the club is going backwards and other clubs are overtaking us?" You can't say yes, because you trying to pretend that Shepherd is doing a great job, but you can't say no, because it's obvious that the club is going backwards and other clubs are overtaking us. Similar thing with my unanswered question, which involves acknowledging that lots of clubs are managing their resources much better than Shepherd has done. Another pathetic attempt to change the subject.

Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years. Gullit...? aye, Gullit. And Vialli too, where is he these days When did Liverpool appoint Roy Evans ? And just before Wenger, Arsenal appointed Rioch, who last a year. Roy Evans? 1994. More than ten years ago. Rioch? 1995. More than ten years ago. But here on planet Earth, Keegan did leave. The discussion was about Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, following on from your post that specifically cited those clubs. Stop trying to move the goalposts just because it's sunk in that you can't win that one. Are you conceding that only 4 clubs have made less bad choices as manager than us ? No, I was pointing out that clubs you mentioned in defence of Shepherd re. managerial appointments as "having made bad decisions" had, in the period of Shepherd's reign, made hardly any bad managerial decisions. Your pie-eating poster boy has, in fact, made more bad managerial appointments than all four of those clubs put together. Do let us know when you intend to arrive. Unfortunately for you, the word "four" is significant, again. Because they are the only 4 clubs that you can name blah blah blah usual bullshit blah No, you named them. I merely demonstrated how that defeated your own argument. No, my arguement is that only 4 clubs have qualified more than us for europe, and I named them. Who else can you name ? You seem to have the memory of a goldfish. Your argument was this: To which I pointed out that in the period that Shepherd has been making the decisions, he has made more bad choices than those four clubs put together. two of them have not made a decision at all. No need. They had chairmen intelligent enough to get it right and who then backed their managers. only 2 though ? The other 89 clubs should all follow their outstanding example and make long term appointments that all work out so everybody wins trophies galore. And now many of those 89 also have the other resources needed for success? Look at it this way. How many English clubs have won more trophies than us since Shepherd has been in charge? About nine, I think. Maybe it's even more. Now how many of those clubs have a stronger fan base than us? More money? A bigger stadium? 8 to be precise. The 4 names I mention, plus : smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn, and Spuds However, If you would swap our last decade with the smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn winning the League Cup - complete with relegations - and Spuds then its your lookout. Each to their own. With a view like that though, I bet you are one of those who think finishing 15th in the 1970's for 3 consecutive years and reaching the FA Cup Final is a real golden era, just because we had a centre forward to idolise ? Shame if you do, but now consider 2nd, 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 14th and 7th nowadays to be failure, why is this ? Do you have some kind of bizarre psychological aversion to answering a simple question? This one was: Now how many of those clubs have a stronger fan base than us? More money? A bigger stadium? We had a stronger base than 20-odd teams for over 30 years who finished above us, now it is only 4 teams who have qualified for europe more than us by virtue of league position over a decade. Thats quite an improvement. Now, my question to you was : to be precise. The 4 names I mention, plus : smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn, and Spuds However, If you would swap our last decade with the smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn winning the League Cup - complete with relegations - and Spuds then its your lookout. Each to their own. With a view like that though, I bet you are one of those who think finishing 15th in the 1970's for 3 consecutive years and reaching the FA Cup Final is a real golden era, just because we had a centre forward to idolise ? Shame if you do, but now consider 2nd, 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 14th and 7th nowadays to be failure, why is this ? Try again. You still didn't answer my question. Or, I notice, Baggio's – which was even easier. Is it some kind of phobia? Have you considered getting professional help?

I can't really get worked up about the question, but I marginally want Chelsea not to win it more than I want Man U not to win it.

Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years. Gullit...? aye, Gullit. And Vialli too, where is he these days When did Liverpool appoint Roy Evans ? And just before Wenger, Arsenal appointed Rioch, who last a year. Roy Evans? 1994. More than ten years ago. Rioch? 1995. More than ten years ago. But here on planet Earth, Keegan did leave. The discussion was about Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, following on from your post that specifically cited those clubs. Stop trying to move the goalposts just because it's sunk in that you can't win that one. Are you conceding that only 4 clubs have made less bad choices as manager than us ? No, I was pointing out that clubs you mentioned in defence of Shepherd re. managerial appointments as "having made bad decisions" had, in the period of Shepherd's reign, made hardly any bad managerial decisions. Your pie-eating poster boy has, in fact, made more bad managerial appointments than all four of those clubs put together. Do let us know when you intend to arrive. Unfortunately for you, the word "four" is significant, again. Because they are the only 4 clubs that you can name blah blah blah usual bullshit blah No, you named them. I merely demonstrated how that defeated your own argument. No, my arguement is that only 4 clubs have qualified more than us for europe, and I named them. Who else can you name ? You seem to have the memory of a goldfish. Your argument was this: To which I pointed out that in the period that Shepherd has been making the decisions, he has made more bad choices than those four clubs put together. two of them have not made a decision at all. No need. They had chairmen intelligent enough to get it right and who then backed their managers. only 2 though ? The other 89 clubs should all follow their outstanding example and make long term appointments that all work out so everybody wins trophies galore. And now many of those 89 also have the other resources needed for success? Look at it this way. How many English clubs have won more trophies than us since Shepherd has been in charge? About nine, I think. Maybe it's even more. Now how many of those clubs have a stronger fan base than us? More money? A bigger stadium? 8 to be precise. The 4 names I mention, plus : smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn, and Spuds However, If you would swap our last decade with the smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn winning the League Cup - complete with relegations - and Spuds then its your lookout. Each to their own. With a view like that though, I bet you are one of those who think finishing 15th in the 1970's for 3 consecutive years and reaching the FA Cup Final is a real golden era, just because we had a centre forward to idolise ? Shame if you do, but now consider 2nd, 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 14th and 7th nowadays to be failure, why is this ? Do you think the club is going backwards and other clubs are overtaking us? A simple yes or no will do. Expect a load of drivel about how we're currently the fifth best club in the galaxy and getting rid of Shepherd would mean the return of Gordon McKeag

Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years. Gullit...? aye, Gullit. And Vialli too, where is he these days When did Liverpool appoint Roy Evans ? And just before Wenger, Arsenal appointed Rioch, who last a year. Roy Evans? 1994. More than ten years ago. Rioch? 1995. More than ten years ago. But here on planet Earth, Keegan did leave. The discussion was about Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, following on from your post that specifically cited those clubs. Stop trying to move the goalposts just because it's sunk in that you can't win that one. Are you conceding that only 4 clubs have made less bad choices as manager than us ? No, I was pointing out that clubs you mentioned in defence of Shepherd re. managerial appointments as "having made bad decisions" had, in the period of Shepherd's reign, made hardly any bad managerial decisions. Your pie-eating poster boy has, in fact, made more bad managerial appointments than all four of those clubs put together. Do let us know when you intend to arrive. Unfortunately for you, the word "four" is significant, again. Because they are the only 4 clubs that you can name blah blah blah usual bullshit blah No, you named them. I merely demonstrated how that defeated your own argument. No, my arguement is that only 4 clubs have qualified more than us for europe, and I named them. Who else can you name ? You seem to have the memory of a goldfish. Your argument was this: To which I pointed out that in the period that Shepherd has been making the decisions, he has made more bad choices than those four clubs put together. two of them have not made a decision at all. No need. They had chairmen intelligent enough to get it right and who then backed their managers. only 2 though ? The other 89 clubs should all follow their outstanding example and make long term appointments that all work out so everybody wins trophies galore. And now many of those 89 also have the other resources needed for success? Look at it this way. How many English clubs have won more trophies than us since Shepherd has been in charge? About nine, I think. Maybe it's even more. Now how many of those clubs have a stronger fan base than us? More money? A bigger stadium? 8 to be precise. The 4 names I mention, plus : smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn, and Spuds However, If you would swap our last decade with the smoggies, Leicester, Blackburn winning the League Cup - complete with relegations - and Spuds then its your lookout. Each to their own. With a view like that though, I bet you are one of those who think finishing 15th in the 1970's for 3 consecutive years and reaching the FA Cup Final is a real golden era, just because we had a centre forward to idolise ? Shame if you do, but now consider 2nd, 13th, 13th, 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 14th and 7th nowadays to be failure, why is this ? Do you have some kind of bizarre psychological aversion to answering a simple question? This one was: Now how many of those clubs have a stronger fan base than us? More money? A bigger stadium?

Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years. Gullit...? aye, Gullit. And Vialli too, where is he these days When did Liverpool appoint Roy Evans ? And just before Wenger, Arsenal appointed Rioch, who last a year. Roy Evans? 1994. More than ten years ago. Rioch? 1995. More than ten years ago. But here on planet Earth, Keegan did leave. The discussion was about Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, following on from your post that specifically cited those clubs. Stop trying to move the goalposts just because it's sunk in that you can't win that one. Are you conceding that only 4 clubs have made less bad choices as manager than us ? No, I was pointing out that clubs you mentioned in defence of Shepherd re. managerial appointments as "having made bad decisions" had, in the period of Shepherd's reign, made hardly any bad managerial decisions. Your pie-eating poster boy has, in fact, made more bad managerial appointments than all four of those clubs put together. Do let us know when you intend to arrive. Unfortunately for you, the word "four" is significant, again. Because they are the only 4 clubs that you can name blah blah blah usual bullshit blah No, you named them. I merely demonstrated how that defeated your own argument. No, my arguement is that only 4 clubs have qualified more than us for europe, and I named them. Who else can you name ? You seem to have the memory of a goldfish. Your argument was this: To which I pointed out that in the period that Shepherd has been making the decisions, he has made more bad choices than those four clubs put together. two of them have not made a decision at all. No need. They had chairmen intelligent enough to get it right and who then backed their managers. only 2 though ? The other 89 clubs should all follow their outstanding example and make long term appointments that all work out so everybody wins trophies galore. And now many of those 89 also have the other resources needed for success? Look at it this way. How many English clubs have won more trophies than us since Shepherd has been in charge? About nine, I think. Maybe it's even more. Now how many of those clubs have a stronger fan base than us? More money? A bigger stadium?

Best I ever saw was Woodgate, but he wasn't around long enough to be described as the "greatest". Moncur, on the other hand, played 296 games in black and white, captained both Newcastle and Scotland, and led the Toon to victory in the Fairs Cup, scoring three goals in the two-legged final before hoisting the trophy – the only goals he ever scored for us. Can you compare his game to Woodgate's? I dunno. I saw him often enough when I was a kid, but memory dims. He was my hero back then, though. And Joe Harvey described him as "the supreme sweeper and a most valuable asset both to Newcastle United and Scotland".

Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years. Gullit...? aye, Gullit. And Vialli too, where is he these days When did Liverpool appoint Roy Evans ? And just before Wenger, Arsenal appointed Rioch, who last a year. Roy Evans? 1994. More than ten years ago. Rioch? 1995. More than ten years ago. But here on planet Earth, Keegan did leave. The discussion was about Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, following on from your post that specifically cited those clubs. Stop trying to move the goalposts just because it's sunk in that you can't win that one. Are you conceding that only 4 clubs have made less bad choices as manager than us ? No, I was pointing out that clubs you mentioned in defence of Shepherd re. managerial appointments as "having made bad decisions" had, in the period of Shepherd's reign, made hardly any bad managerial decisions. Your pie-eating poster boy has, in fact, made more bad managerial appointments than all four of those clubs put together. Do let us know when you intend to arrive. Unfortunately for you, the word "four" is significant, again. Because they are the only 4 clubs that you can name blah blah blah usual bullshit blah No, you named them. I merely demonstrated how that defeated your own argument. No, my arguement is that only 4 clubs have qualified more than us for europe, and I named them. Who else can you name ? You seem to have the memory of a goldfish. Your argument was this: To which I pointed out that in the period that Shepherd has been making the decisions, he has made more bad choices than those four clubs put together. two of them have not made a decision at all. No need. They had chairmen intelligent enough to get it right and who then backed their managers.

Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years. Gullit...? aye, Gullit. And Vialli too, where is he these days When did Liverpool appoint Roy Evans ? And just before Wenger, Arsenal appointed Rioch, who last a year. Roy Evans? 1994. More than ten years ago. Rioch? 1995. More than ten years ago. But here on planet Earth, Keegan did leave. The discussion was about Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, following on from your post that specifically cited those clubs. Stop trying to move the goalposts just because it's sunk in that you can't win that one. Are you conceding that only 4 clubs have made less bad choices as manager than us ? No, I was pointing out that clubs you mentioned in defence of Shepherd re. managerial appointments as "having made bad decisions" had, in the period of Shepherd's reign, made hardly any bad managerial decisions. Your pie-eating poster boy has, in fact, made more bad managerial appointments than all four of those clubs put together. Do let us know when you intend to arrive. Unfortunately for you, the word "four" is significant, again. Because they are the only 4 clubs that you can name blah blah blah usual bullshit blah No, you named them. I merely demonstrated how that defeated your own argument. No, my arguement is that only 4 clubs have qualified more than us for europe, and I named them. Who else can you name ? You seem to have the memory of a goldfish. Your argument was this: To which I pointed out that in the period that Shepherd has been making the decisions, he has made more bad choices than those four clubs put together.

Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years. Gullit...? aye, Gullit. And Vialli too, where is he these days When did Liverpool appoint Roy Evans ? And just before Wenger, Arsenal appointed Rioch, who last a year. Roy Evans? 1994. More than ten years ago. Rioch? 1995. More than ten years ago. But here on planet Earth, Keegan did leave. The discussion was about Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, following on from your post that specifically cited those clubs. Stop trying to move the goalposts just because it's sunk in that you can't win that one. Are you conceding that only 4 clubs have made less bad choices as manager than us ? No, I was pointing out that clubs you mentioned in defence of Shepherd re. managerial appointments as "having made bad decisions" had, in the period of Shepherd's reign, made hardly any bad managerial decisions. Your pie-eating poster boy has, in fact, made more bad managerial appointments than all four of those clubs put together. Do let us know when you intend to arrive. Unfortunately for you, the word "four" is significant, again. Because they are the only 4 clubs that you can name blah blah blah usual bullshit blah No, you named them. I merely demonstrated how that defeated your own argument.

Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years. Gullit...? aye, Gullit. And Vialli too, where is he these days When did Liverpool appoint Roy Evans ? And just before Wenger, Arsenal appointed Rioch, who last a year. Roy Evans? 1994. More than ten years ago. Rioch? 1995. More than ten years ago. But here on planet Earth, Keegan did leave. The discussion was about Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, following on from your post that specifically cited those clubs. Stop trying to move the goalposts just because it's sunk in that you can't win that one. Are you conceding that only 4 clubs have made less bad choices as manager than us ? No, I was pointing out that clubs you mentioned in defence of Shepherd re. managerial appointments as "having made bad decisions" had, in the period of Shepherd's reign, made hardly any bad managerial decisions. Your pie-eating poster boy has, in fact, made more bad managerial appointments than all four of those clubs put together. Do let us know when you intend to arrive.

Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years. Gullit...? aye, Gullit. And Vialli too, where is he these days When did Liverpool appoint Roy Evans ? And just before Wenger, Arsenal appointed Rioch, who last a year. Roy Evans? 1994. More than ten years ago. Rioch? 1995. More than ten years ago. But here on planet Earth, Keegan did leave. The discussion was about Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, following on from your post that specifically cited those clubs. Stop trying to move the goalposts just because it's sunk in that you can't win that one.

I see. So, we've moved up the football ladder despite the fact that we've moved down the football ladder.

Rumour is that Chelsea want Hughes to replace Mourinho. As long as that carrot is dangling, we don't have a chance. And anyway, Hughes is a complete cunt.

Newcastle fans wanted Roeder to be manager

Ah, well spotted. We got Temuri for free.

Almost enough to cover what we spent on Michael Owen.

Perhaps you can name the bad managerial choices any of these clubs have made in the last ten years.

As mentioned in the very first post.

Well, if he's pining for Turkish company he'll be happier in Germany, where there are loads of Turkish immigrants. Berlin has the biggest population, and counts as the fifth largest Turkish city in the world, but I don't know if any Turks play for Hertha.

Yeah, sounds pretty mad.

Hertha can't afford his salary. For the time being, he's happy with what we're paying him. That might change if Bayern are genuinely interested.

We bought Faye for £2 million and sold him for £2 million.