Memphis

I think they're both definitely Men Intensely Loving Football

Irrespective of what happens from here, Trippier's contributions to the club were massively important. His leadership, professionalism, and quality helped us immeasurably when we were seriously facing the prospect of relegation. That should never be forgotten. But if he's sold, this is now a sliding doors moment - and it could go one of two ways:

1. We sell Trippier for a nice fee and use that fee and the room it opens up for us appropriately to continue our rise as a club. Livramento slots right in for Trippier and we don't miss too much of a beat on the pitch. The players at the club understand Trippier's age, our financial situation, and where things are this season, and they react with long-term optimism about the project in spite of the sale. The summer sees us spend lavishly and keep growing.

2. We sell Trippier for a nice fee and the players immediately get upset, thinking that the project is stalling, and the future here isn't as bright as they expected. Other players start to see their heads being turned by offers and they start to doubt whether or not this is the right project for them. The rest of the season dwindles away in a sea of rumour and discontent and the summer is a reclamation project as we have to rebuild not only players but also attitudes. 

I hope it's 1, but there are a lot of people outside the club who would want to see 2. Huge challenge for Howe's leadership and the leadership of our ownership/Ashworth.

I think it's a bit silly to think a club that has spent tens of millions of pounds on infrastructure improvements, facilities improvements, medical staff improvements, and more is going to let the manager decide by himself whether or not a player is fit to play. Howe can no more make that determination by himself than he can buy a player by himself. He's a (very important) member of a staff that values his input but doesn't make their decisions based on him. He will play the players that are deemed fit to play. Questions can be asked about why and how those players are deemed fit to play but he's not dragging out some half-injured man by the scruff of his neck to go run out there for 90 minutes. 

He's already shown over his career that he can adapt. His sides are quite different here than at Bournemouth. They adapted last year and changed the press style and point of attack. I expect that we will adapt a little this season as well, but the truth is that injuries and suspensions have undone us and there's precious little he could do about it. He's the best manager we've had in an age and I can't think of a better one to lead us from here. Patience is difficult but vital.

15 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

That would be the Spurs who lost three players to injury last week - GLC, Davies and Veliz . To add to all the other ones.

 

You’re right, but it’s no guarantee you won’t get injuries. Sometimes the lick just deserts you.

Sometimes you lick the dessert and sometimes the dessert licks you

Just now, Kanji said:

 

Of which, in our case, we had no system in place, no hierarchy, no back office teams, bare bones in every single department, no cohesion whatsoever. 

 

*just wait until the pile-on that it was actually and still actually is Tony Bloom's doing at Brighton. 

Exactly. The man was starting from absolutely square fucking one. We barely had any departments and like fuck did we have a structure or a culture in place. So, yeah, it's going to take time - I'm quite sure the owners are thrilled with what he's been doing.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/dan-ashworth-inside-the-mind-of-a-technical-director

I may have posted this before, but it's worth a re-post given the current discussion. I think if you listen to this you can help to understand what Ashworth's role is and how he envisions a club setup. He likens himself to the hub of a wheel and the spokes are each department - medical, scouting, academy, first team, women's team, business - who all report to him. He then fashions a strategy to maximise all of those areas in keeping with the desires and goals of the owners. 

By all accounts he's a brilliant manager of people and departments, and I think it is to his credit rather than to his detriment that Brighton is continuing so well, that would indicate that the systems he put in place and oversaw are working well even as he himself has departed. I think he's putting all of that into place here and there's a lot more to it than simply the transfer strategy window to window. It seems to me he's putting a much more coherent system in place for the long-term, but that will certainly mean that there are short-term ups and downs.

I would be interested to read the inevitable report that will be commissioned about the relationship between our style of play/training and the injury level. I support Howe completely in the way he leads and the way he represents the club, he seems like a genuinely good person. I also think his style may be leading to our injuries and his loyalty to middling players may be exaggerating our depth issues. 

It's far more complex than a lot of our fans care to admit. But you can hold both of those opinions - that he's a good man and a good manager, and that his style may be problematic for us - at the same time.

We've exhausted the squad. They're spent, mentally and physically. And there's unfortunately no Plan B for how we play, so we're just kind of out there right now. 

Those deficiencies can be papered over at home, when the crowd and the atmosphere can make up for it. But it's all laid bare on the road and I think that's why our away form is what it is. 

Need reinforcements in January.

I'm trying hard not to freak out about how good he already is and how good he could end up being. He looks so calm at all times, picks out great passes and runs, and just looks so much more mature than his age would suggest. 

One thing is clear - Dubravka is not good enough. Absolutely awful performance. 

Look exhausted, more mentally than physically - particularly in attacking positions, just not many ideas.

There was an implicit bargain in the adoption of VAR. It was: you will have to give up some of the spontaneity and joy that football provides, but you will be rewarded with a product that is much more accurately officiated, and some of the injustices of the past will be rectified. It was a sacrifice for what was sold to us as "the greater good".

Obviously VAR has utterly failed to live up to the bargain. And it has robbed us of even more joy, even more of those spontaneous moments that make football what it is. 

The original sin is trying to achieve perfection. Players can never be perfect. Neither can officials. And that is part of the fabric of the game. In every attempt to achieve perfection, it will become more and more obvious that not only is that an impossible goal, but even trying to achieve it will make the game worse. We have to accept that mistakes will happen no matter what. Mistakes pre-VAR at least kept the fabric and flow of the game intact. We have vandalized a beautiful piece of art by incorporating all these breaks and we still have an utterly flawed system. It's scandalous.

The answer is not more technology. It's never more. It's only less. Goal line technology, fine. That's a black and white concept. Use it. Anything else, anything that requires subjectivity, get technology out of the game or you'll only see it damaged further.

The thing that I think makes Eddie Howe a truly world class manager is his unusual (for this level of manager) ability to learn from his own mistakes. He took time after Bournemouth to overhaul his thought process defensively and has now become fantastic at drilling defensive shapes with us. 

For Milan and Dortmund, he didn't want the players to train at the stadium the night before the match, preferring to stay in Newcastle longer. But for this match he took the team over earlier for training and we absolutely looked far more comfortable as a result. 

He modified our pressing structure last year as the season went on, he modified the formation against PSG to operate more flat in a 4-5-1 rather than the 4-3-3, I could go on. 

He's humble and ready to admit when he gets it wrong. I was always told, 'Never waste a failure.' and I think he's a great example of that concept. 

And the players obviously respond to his methods. I cannot ask for more and I cannot imagine a better manager for us in the position we are in.

He's either going to deliver a 10/10 performance or end up getting sent off. No inbetween.

I don't have much sympathy for Everton, the case against them is pretty cut and dried. The only defenses are: 1) the punishment is too harsh and 2) what about Chelsea/Man City. 

With regard to 1, I think it may be a bit harsh but I think the willful nature of the deceit is being punished here. The idea being that FFP representatives from a club are there to act in good faith, not act in the most deceitful possible way that is in an interpretation of the rules. Everton didn't do that and the PL is trying to make a statement about what that means.

Which brings us to 2. The initial difference between these cases is that Man City/Chelsea have vigorously denied and are contesting the claims, which is delaying things hugely. That is their right. The rubber will meet the road if City/Chelsea are eventually found guilty, as by this standard, they would face an astronomical punishment. Would they enforce it? Would they try? Would they expect CAS or some such to intervene? I don't know. I do think they're going to have to do *something* as the coalition of clubs and owners who aren't a part of this will have a measure of influence to try to "clean it up", at least for appearances.

1 minute ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

Here man just fuck the technicalities of the laws enjoy the win and fuck Arteta and fuck Arsenal 

?

Fair enough fuck him

1 minute ago, simonsays said:

Eh, so if a player passes backwards from the byline and another attacking player is ahead of the defenders that is offside?  I can't believe that is correct.  How as the Brentford goal against Chelsea allowed then?  There was only the goalkeeper behind the attackers in that case

I'll be totally honest. I don't have a fucking idea how. The rule is way more complex than I originally thought. 

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Neither player was close to offside for Willock’s pass - the check was for the ball being played back to Gordon.  If it was played by the Arsenal player he can’t be off, and if it is played by Joelinton then he’s level or behind.  You can absolutely determine this. 

The point was - if both of the players end up with only one defender behind them, even a backward or level pass is offside. 

The image is from right before the ball ends up with Gordon. In that image, both players are behind Raya, leaving only one defender between them and the goal. If Joelinton passes that ball, it is absolutely offside no matter which direction the pass travels. The rule specifically says as much...you are only onside if you are behind two defenders or level with the second-last one.

But since you can't quite tell how the ball gets to Gordon, it has to stand.

14 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s not even close to being offside - it’s not a ‘who knows’ situation.  Gordon is level/behind Joelinton when the ball is played

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside

It doesn't really matter BUT there is nothing mentioned about being level/behind automatically making a player onside. If both players are standing in an offside position when the pass is made, any pass makes the receiver offside whether forward or backward. 

My point was that you can't tell when or how the ball was "passed" to Gordon so determining offside is virtually impossible. 

It should also be noted that Gabriel is stooping to head the ball anyway because he knows Raya is never going to punch it. Gabriel is going down before Joelinton does anything. The ball isn't out of play. And the offside, who fucking knows? But it's nothing like a DISGRACE or THE WORST THING EVER 

2 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

Did you go hunting for that? ????

I didn't but someone else did and I'm glad they did

Weird how things change when you're on the receiving end.

Absolutely awesome intensity. Just hard to believe what we have become as a club in such a short time. I love each and every one of these lads. What effort, what desire, so many potential excuses to fall short and we've taken none of them. 

2 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

Are you really that quick?

Catlike quickness

Entertaining game, not a great quality game. Trippier has been off of late and that's really hurting us. Needs a rest. Burn vs Neto was like watching me against Usain Bolt. All in all, not a bad point but there are some concerning signs.