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Top post my friend. People have to be rational here. This reaction is embarrassing. The media are loving it. To think Ashley was the one that brought the man back in the first place. I am pretty sure he did his best to make things work. Keegan is out of order. God knows what clubs wanted for the players Keegan wanted? Should Ashley have brought them in regardless? Just because Keegan demanded it? I'm sure they tried, but if not possible then surely they had to look at other options making use of a quality scouting network? He was given good players, who he was getting the best out of and things had started out brilliantly and he still wasn't happy. It's not an ideal world, things aren't always perfect, sometimes you have to show a little faith and be out of your comfort zone a little bit. Keegan didn't give it enough of a chance for me. At least he could have waited to see if thes players were bad or if it was too difficult to work with them, or if the team was faltering badly because of them. Keegan bailed out way too quickly for me. I honestly don't think the board had any bad intentions whatsoever.

YOU DONT GET KK BACK AND TELL HIM WHAT TO DO REALLITY CHECK ON HERE FOR SOME PEOPLE STOP PLAYING FOOTBALL MANAGER GAMES FFS! Hey pal, he was told how it would be from the outset. I seriously doubt that Ashley then did anything differently. They met after Keegan's rant and Ashley intervened to try and make things better for Keegan, and Keegan claimed he was happy with things. Yet here we are. Keegan has left because he just wanted things differently to what he agreed to. People talking about boycotting the club are being ridiculous as far as I'm concerned.

I'm dissapointed in Kevin Keegan. I honestly believe everything was laid out in front of him and he signed up for it. Players were imposed on him because the ones he wanted did not fit the profile of what he himself agreed to, and so he was given alternatives which our scouts had identified. Every player brought in so far has been very promising, so it's not as though he wasn't being provided with quality alternatives. Not impressed by Keegan's choice to resign at all. Shouldn't have agreed to things in the first place.

I want the club back. I'm at the point now where I'm not hung up on this Keegan stuff anymore. I don't think Ashley's ideas are so outrageous or wrong that it justifies breaking up all that has been put together just for the sake of one man, not this soon into proceedings anyway. Quite frankly it would just be a lot easier right now if Keegan left. That is the plain and simple truth. It's bloody unfortunate, and it definitely sucks on a lot of levels, but hey, this is what it is.

This is basically what the new regimes gripe is. I think Ashley and his team took a look at them all through last season and thought to themselves, hang on a minute these lot are on how much? And for doing what exactly? They were all a bloddy disgrace performance wise last year, and I am in no doubt the new regime felt like they could replace them all with better players who would cost less and would be on smaller wages. Jonas has proved this, Coloccini is already proving this, guthrie is already proving this, bassong certainly looks like he could also. Unfortunately for them, I think they wrongly assumed that they could easily convince Keegan of this strategy. However I think Keegan strongly believes in having some players who are premiership experienced, but this is very hard to achieve for the kind of price range and salary range the new regime wanted. Hence the big issues. An absolute mess.

I was also just thinking back to the Keegan rant after the Chelsea game today ... what was that about back then? It seemed as though he was already resisting the agreed upon direction back then. It's as though he just couldn't accept having to slowly build up to the top fours level. He was complaining about never speaking to the owner, despite Ashley already stating that he didn't really want to be involved with the running of the club and would therefore hire people to do that for him, whcih quite honestly, is fair enough. Lets also remember that a meeting was already held last week Wednesday, where I am pretty sure serious discussions took place. Then again on Sunday, Monday and up till now?! Embarrassingly enough, it seems as though this mess has been ongoing all along, just as the papers kept saying. Has this pretty much been a stare down all along to see if the club would sack Keegan first, or if he would quit first? Bloody insane!

I'm beginning to lean this way too. I think Keegan threatened to quit over something and they called his bluff. I'm also beginning to think this might have happened late Saturday or very early Sunday, after which the board decided to sell off the players they would have prefered to this summer, but who they had kept because Keegan requested it. The likes of Owen, Smith and Barton. It was just so weird the way they were all suddenly rumoured to be available on Sunday I thought. It was as though Keegan had already gone by then. The issue is not will/won't Keegan return as Newcastle manager but the situation the club will face if/when he does. There will be a fracture along management lines within the operating structure of the club. The Board will basically have a "maverick" in charge of the most important aspect of the business. There is no way Ashley will find this acceptable. Instructions will be issued to undermine and get rid of Keegan asap. If Keegan thinks the last transfer window was a pain in the arse wait until January. I agree. I think Keegan is done. If this is the case, we'll just have to wait and see what happens next. I'll still be supporting the club and the team though. I love Keegan, but I'm pretty sure he isn't totally blameless in all this. I just find that very hard to believe. I won't be boycotting just because he's left that's for sure. I'm really just sick of all this. If Keegan is toast, get a manager in who the Jimenez, Wise and Vetere identify, who is happy with the setup, and lets move forward quickly. This is just bloody boring now.

I'm beginning to lean this way too. I think Keegan threatened to quit over something and they called his bluff. I'm also beginning to think this might have happened late Saturday or very early Sunday, after which the board decided to sell off the players they would have prefered to this summer, but who they had kept because Keegan requested it. The likes of Owen, Smith and Barton. It was just so weird the way they were all suddenly rumoured to be available on Sunday I thought. It was as though Keegan had already gone by then.

Zaragoza are in the spanish second division. I think he would leave. We were linked with Marcelino in March, again in May and just in the past few days with this latest flare up.

From way back in May ... it really does make you wonder now.

This has pretty much ruined my week. I was so looking forward to the end of the window so that things could return to normal, and now this crap. How insane is it making everyone wait all of this time? This is awful.

Exactly how I feel we will ultimately lineup. I love it.

No way it would take this long if it was just about compensation. I think Keegan is looking to stay, but isn't happy about Jimenez and Wises efforts. Jimenez with Wises help are both responsible for tieng up deals after a player has been dientified i.e. Negotiating a fee with the club, and then agreeing on a contract with the player. I think too many times this summer they both failed to land Keegan's targets and have instead offered him alternatives, who he is not as familiar with. These alternative players have not necessarily been poor players, but you can only continue offer up alternatives so many times, while continuing to fail to land the managers targets. I think only Guthrie has been a Keegan target that was succesfully brought in. Keegan therefore isn't sure whether both Jimenez and Wise are making enough of an effort to land the players he wants, or whether they are essentially deciding on which players come into the club and pretty much just ignoring those he identifies. I think Vetere and the scouts will likely stay, which is key I think, as I believe the players Jimenez and Wise have opted for have come from Vetere essentially. However, I thin if Keegan is to stay then Jimenez and Wise will leave, with Keegan then being more in charge of negotiating player fees and contracts.

Billy Davies, Chris Hutchings, Little Sam, Big Sam, Steve Bruce all went last season. The Premier League is a pirhana tank regardless... The difference being your list of managers went, with the possible exception of Bruce, for poor performance on the pitch, whereas Kaka's list of managers IIRC went for none football related matters such as interference over signings and player sales. Which is exactly what this whole mess with Keegan is about. Yes, I know he hasn't walked/been sacked yet but his position looks pretty much untenable now, he looks to have been undermined by the system that Mike Ashley put in place after hiring him. Which would surely put Ashley in with the same owners that Kaka is criticising. I find his post bizzare really. He put 2 and 2 together and got 5. My point was that if people felt Keegan was being undermined by Ashley, then getting in a new owner wouldn't necessarily change things at all, and might even make things worse.

Yeah Ashley gets through 2 managers a year, he's much better than that lot of slackers. He didn't hire Allardyce. He hasn't sacked Keegan.

Mourinho gone ... Avran Grant gone ... Sven gone ... Curbishley gone ... Mark Hughes has been told to get a top four finish this season? What happens if he doesn't? For all those praying for the Indian takeover, to save Keegan and make his world perfect, it is worth thinking about. What happens if Keegan doesn't deliver quickly enough? The only somewhat sensible new owners I see are Lerner and Ashley. We need to be careful what we wish for.

Anyone would have thought Mourinho would be ecstatic to have the Shevchenko at the time right Teasy? He was the best striker in the world at that moment in time pretty much. Mourinho hadn't asked for him though. So what happened there then? Mourinho didn't look ecstatic to me.

Then you clearly don't understand Keegan or the situation at all. He wants things done his way and his decisions to be the ones that matter. He doesn't want other people making decisions above his head.

May I also remind you lot that these billionaires will be even more difficult when it comes to making decisions regarding the playing staff. Hguhes doesn't have a say in half of the people being bought by Man City right now. It was the same at Chelsea, which is why Mourinho left, despite being the most succesful manager in their history! If this guy comes in with all that money, what makes you think he would want Brawling Barton or Stinky Smith in the team? How would keegan feel if he demanded they were sold? Hell, he might even want a more flashy, big name manager at the helm? What if this manager doesn't play football the way we like it? Come on now! It's not the quick easy fix you guys think it is.

The myth of all myths to kill all myths that were ever mythed for goodness sake! He is a man like any other man. He has a passion for doing things the way he does and invests the time and effort necessary to do so. He has also surrounded himself with a large group of like minded people all pullingin the same direction. We can either do the same which is very possible, and by the looks of the types we have started bringing in just this summer, quite acheivable, or we could go the lazy route and become solely reliant on the whims and fancies of one billionaire.

Ashley is a rich businessman is he not? It is possible to build a succesful club which can stand on it's own feet and sustain itself. It's not like we are buying league 1 players for goodness sake. I don't think it is a good idea to have the future of the club totally reliant on one man and whatever his whims might be. If Roman leaves Chelsea then what? Just look at the state of their books. It's crazy. They would go straight down. No one would want to touch a club in such a financial mess.

How else are we going to win anything in modern football? How did Arsenal achieve it these past years? How did Portsmouth achieve it last season? I love what Villa are doing right now too. They seem to have the right balance, and are on their way. We have to be patient and let our owner figure this out. His heart is in the right place, and with a few tweaks we could really make things work in the best possible way.

Personally, I would be physically sick. Okay, maybe the current owner could do with a tad more splurging, but for us to go the Chelsea/Man City route? No thanks. It would be completely meaningless. A computer game world. No integrity. A continuous stream of overpaid and over inflated egos coming into the club. No chance for the youth. Sickening.

This is kind of crazy. Keegan wants total control over all transfers? Then how come he took the job in the first place? I'm pretty sure that he was told about the setup and he was never promised total control. So he agreed to the conditions but is now trying to force a change? So now people are hoping for another takeover? How can we be sure these takeovers are for the best in the long run? Deep down I can't help but feel it might be best to get a manager in who can work with the structure in place. This is just all so insane ...

He said something on Revista but I'm sure he didn't describe the player just revealed the details, he was bumming Jonas though saying he's great and said our scouts have done very well to secure Jonas,Colo and Xisco. I'll tell you what, I know a lot of people believe that if keegan goes , no one will want anything to do with us, but I disagree. I think a lot of managers would be very impressed with some of the players we have been able to bring in, particularly in Spain. Colo and Jonas in particular would have turned some heads. 2 youngish Argentine internationals with a good amount of time ahead of them.