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Thick, selfish, spineless doormats. They’re as much of a problem as Ashley is, he knows it and relies on them continuing to willingly be s*** on whilst simultaneously stuffing cash into his pockets. If they can’t see it now then they never will, f*** them. If that's the way you feel, then let them know. Do something about it if the fans who are attending are just as bad as Ashley

Have they never spoken to a season ticket holder before like? Why not go to the ground on match day and say the things that's been said to me to the 45k+ that are attending? Cos yees are too thick to understand. Why not give it a go like? All 45k + of them wrong and should be all ashamed of themselves shouldn't they? Theyre just as bad as Mike Ashley aren't they? Anyone who goes next season is, yes. Go let them know that then, if the fans are just as bad as Mike Ashley, then do something about it. You're desperate for change aren't you?

Will be around that mark

Have they never spoken to a season ticket holder before like? Why not go to the ground on match day and say the things that's been said to me to the 45k+ that are attending? Cos yees are too thick to understand. Why not give it a go like? All 45k + of them wrong and should be all ashamed of themselves shouldn't they? Theyre just as bad as Mike Ashley aren't they?

Have they never spoken to a season ticket holder before like? Why not go to the ground on match day and say the things that's been said to me to the 45k+ that are attending?

:lol: :lol: Jesus christ man

Yes

And this is where I and it looks like the majority of people on this thread are completely different then. I'm sorry but you sound completely deluded. You don't support a football cub because it's successful or not! Why do you think that fans all over the country go to games, they don't have success, they support their football because they love it. This is why we get called deluded You missed my point, which was if you love the club you want what's best for it. I don't think you particularly care as long as you can keep going to the games. What was the banner we made? We don't demand a team that wins, we demand a club that tries. A big difference there. And apparently what's best for it, is just to boycott it, stop supporting it and for some fans actively wish it loses football games... Thats not what supporting your club is about. I want my club to be successful ofcourse but sometimes you have to live in the real world, not every football club is successful

Who said that, the owner? I'm pretty sure Charnley said our target is top ten in the past? Ashley has come out in an interview and said the ambition is to win a trophy? Now I actually do believe that Parish's aim for Palace will be getting into the top 10 this season... So probably not the best example for me to use but just because a club/owner comes out and says the aim is 'this and this' doesn't mean it actually is.

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Time and time again you're confusing staying away due to a perceived lack of ambition with staying away due to not being very good at football. The majority of fans around the country support teams whose owners have the clubs best interests at heart and want to be the best they can be. There's the odd exception of course. I'm envious of clubs with gates of 2000 or so because they can wholeheartedly back their team knowing the whole club is striving for SOMETHING, even it it may not be achieved. So you only support a club because of ambition then? There's plenty of clubs with no ambition out there. The owners (just like ours) may come out with 'we want to win a trophy' 'want to get promoted' etc but a lot off is just bollocks to be honest We aren't the only club with a lack of ambition, there's clubs in worse states than us. Having that said just because other clubs are in worse states doesn't mean we can't be annoyed with how the club is being run

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat In the last 5 years they've spent £169.25m. We've spent £60.36m So yeah, they outspend us. You could have said "Burnley" as they have a very similar spend to us, but they got into Europe etc etc.... Maybe you could use Norwich and Sheff United as examples this year though. You know, similar clubs to us. :lol: Where are you getting your figures from? We spent nearly 60m in one season in the championship for f*** sake, are you for real? Never heard of net-spend? Newcastle United 19/20 £32.08m 18/19 £-10.59m 17/18 £-22.30m 16/17 £33.41m 15/16 £-92.95m TOTAL £-60.36m Brighton & Hove Albion 19/20 £-21.51m 18/19 £-67.46m 17/18 £-60.30m 16/17 £-7.88m 15/16 £-12.11m TOTAL £-169.25m But wait, that must mean they're spending money they don't really have (unless they use their match income, marketing, advertising, tv rights). Risky that. :lol: What's funny then? You said Brighton actively try to not compete. I've showed you how much money they've spent TRYING to compete. Where's your argument? So net-spend is the only thing that matters? Look at the gross spend man, we are pretty similar

yes, they tried and they failed...it's happens, but they certainly spent money and tried, changed the manager and tried I think we've pretty much spent the same as Huddersfield haven't we? Including the championship, we will have spent more

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? this isn't the f***ing point and you must know this, we've all stuck with the club through everything but we have a person in charge who not only isn't trying to make the club the best it can be (your club you say) but is actively impeding it's progress deliberately man we've been s*** for the vast majority of all of our lives, this isn't about that He's just said if we arent competing for trophies or Europe then what's the point? If that's the ideology, then that's not sticking through the club through thick and thin, that's just not turning up before because we're shit

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat In the last 5 years they've spent £169.25m. We've spent £60.36m So yeah, they outspend us. You could have said "Burnley" as they have a very similar spend to us, but they got into Europe etc etc.... Maybe you could use Norwich and Sheff United as examples this year though. You know, similar clubs to us. :lol: Where are you getting your figures from? We spent nearly 60m in one season in the championship for f*** sake, are you for real? Never heard of net-spend? Newcastle United 19/20 £32.08m 18/19 £-10.59m 17/18 £-22.30m 16/17 £33.41m 15/16 £-92.95m TOTAL £-60.36m Brighton & Hove Albion 19/20 £-21.51m 18/19 £-67.46m 17/18 £-60.30m 16/17 £-7.88m 15/16 £-12.11m TOTAL £-169.25m But wait, that must mean they're spending money they don't really have (unless they use their match income, marketing, advertising, tv rights). Risky that. :lol:

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? It's not my football club anymore. When it was my club, whether the team was good, bad or indifferent I used to attend because of the hope and excitement of not knowing where the club was going. We could be in league one and I'd have attended because we were striving for something. It's now Mike Ashley's club, where it doesn't matter, we simply exists as a service to him. There is no optimism or excitement because we're not even trying. We deliberately do as little as we possibly can to stay in the league to provide our owner with funds. Is it e entitled or deluded to want a club that attempts to improve and better itself as a opposed to capitalist entity that exists to make cash for its owner? Are you satisfied with that state of affairs? Its not entitled or deluded to want a club that improve and better itself no. Every fanbase in the country wants that. But it is entitled and deluded to say that if a club isnt trying to compete for trophies and Europe and that the aim in to stay up then there's no point. Ofcourse there's a point, or no f***er in the country would go to games But big picture, those clubs will be trying to kick on and improve. We're actively doing the opposite. Also seeing as you insist on using the trophy/Europe comment as a straw man, the club said they aren't interested in these. Not that they couldn't achieve them at this point in time, or we were years off or it was flat out unrealistic, but that they sinply aren't interested in even putting a club in a position where one day it was a possibility. It's endemic of a club that's handicapped itself for the sole purpose of making cash for its owner. Do they? How do you know exactly? Huddersfield for a example, we got promoted with, now in the championship, did they try and kick on and improve?

Howay man So if Rafa got us to a semi-final last year would that mean that Ashley is 'trying'? Well, erm, yeah, it would kinda show that the club's "do not entertain cup runs" policy is actually over. So yeah. f*** you're stupid. So are you saying that Rafa didn't get to the semi- final because the club don't entertain cup runs then? And I'm the stupid one apparently

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat In the last 5 years they've spent £169.25m. We've spent £60.36m So yeah, they outspend us. You could have said "Burnley" as they have a very similar spend to us, but they got into Europe etc etc.... Maybe you could use Norwich and Sheff United as examples this year though. You know, similar clubs to us. :lol: Where are you getting your figures from? We spent nearly 60m in one season in the championship for fuck sake, are you for real?

And this is where I and it looks like the majority of people on this thread are completely different then. I'm sorry but you sound completely deluded. You don't support a football cub because it's successful or not! Why do you think that fans all over the country go to games, they don't have success, they support their football because they love it. This is why we get called deluded

Howay man So if Rafa got us to a semi-final last year would that mean that Ashley is 'trying'?

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? It's not my football club anymore. When it was my club, whether the team was good, bad or indifferent I used to attend because of the hope and excitement of not knowing where the club was going. We could be in league one and I'd have attended because we were striving for something. It's now Mike Ashley's club, where it doesn't matter, we simply exists as a service to him. There is no optimism or excitement because we're not even trying. We deliberately do as little as we possibly can to stay in the league to provide our owner with funds. Is it e entitled or deluded to want a club that attempts to improve and better itself as a opposed to capitalist entity that exists to make cash for its owner? Are you satisfied with that state of affairs? Its not entitled or deluded to want a club that improve and better itself no. Every fanbase in the country wants that. But it is entitled and deluded to say that if a club isnt trying to compete for trophies and Europe and that the aim in to stay up then there's no point. Ofcourse there's a point, or no fucker in the country would go to games

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton

Look at the insults I've taken for having the absolute temerity to go to football games, football games played by my football club Nobody is insulting you for going to the game, that's 100% your choice. You're getting insults because you're unable to grasp the importance of not going. Because I have a different opinion to you regarding what will not going do? I've listened to what's been said regarding the importance of not going, but just because you've said it, it doesn't mean it's true? We have completely different views on the best way to help the club, that's fine. It's all about opinions, there's a hell of a lot off people out there who disagree with you. And they are being as utterly obtuse as you then. You have come up with no viable alternative solution. Fairly obvious why people see you as part.of the problem. And just because there are more like you doesn't validate your opinion against what should be blatantly obvious to anyone at this point. This is not fresh. We are f***ing 12 years into this regime, and have seen a cycle play out. Absolutely no excuse at this point if you are still fine with getting dry-fisted up the starfish. Ofcourse everybody else is wrong, and you're right. That must be it mate. Maybe people see boycotters as part of the problem? You're so hell bent on 'helping' because you have this view of how Newcastle United should be that you don't seem to be able to comprehend that you're actually making things worse. How are boycotters 'part of the problem'? In the words of a courageous, principled, chicken nugget loving young man, Seymour, I have been nice to you, but now I'm coming to the edge. Your view on the matter is totally and utterly warped. When you talk of boycotting not working in terms of increasing the likelihood of Ashley selling, how can you possibly believe that when it's never been done (large-scale, whole match) before? Because it isn't helping things, can you not see that? Ashley is the problem 100%, but boycotting will create a negative atmosphere on the players which rival managers will use to benefit them. As supporters we are supposed to help the team, not be detrimental towards it. Because its my belief that it wouldn't work? Just like it's your belief that it would work, despite us never doing it on a large scale before What exactly are we supposed to pay hundreds for to help the team achieve under Mike Ashley? f***s sake man 12 years and you seemingly have no clue what the bloke has done. Fuck sake You don't support a football club for what it achieves!! You support a football club because it's YOUR football club

Good job I've not said any of that

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging