Seymour

All I've said is that a manager who's literally not managed a game yet deserves a chance :lol:

The Bruce argument is now irrelevant. You are actively supporting Ashley by giving him your money. Nah, I'm not. I'm not backing the owner, I am backing the manager You are funding the owner and accepting his shitness.. So for 3 years you didn't back Rafa? The owner was given an opportunity to change how he did things. Rafa had given us all a bit of hope again. He was showing us the way things could be if he was supported, and presented that plan to the c***s in charge. Instead Ashley and Charnley decided to reject Rafa's plan, sack him off and return to their previous plan of doing and spending the absolute bare minimum to stay in the premier league and maximise the exposure of Sports Direct and associated entities. By appointing Steve Bruce they've shown us that they have literally zero ambition for the club beyond staying in the league and finishing 17th. It has now reached the stage that if you buy a season ticket you're effectively saying that you're alright with Newcastle United being nothing more than a marketing strategy for one of the biggest c***s in the UK. You're buying into how he runs our football club. You're choosing to gloss over the fact that he has systematically destroyed everything that was ever good about supporting our football club. This isn't our club any more. Stop pretending it is, and stop giving the c***s your money I agree with all of that apart from the 'If you buy a season ticket you're effectively saying you're alright with Newcastle United being nothing more than a marketing strategy' Sorry but that's bollocks, you can want an owner out but still go to games, not having that. I'm not happy with how the club is being run, ofcourse I'm not, im as pissed off as anyone that they didn't do enough to keep Rafa. But just because you still want to go to games, it doesn't mean that you're supporting Ashley. Supporters shouldn't be made to feel guilty just because they want to go games and actually support the team.

The Bruce argument is now irrelevant. You are actively supporting Ashley by giving him your money. Nah, I'm not. I'm not backing the owner, I am backing the manager You are funding the owner and accepting his shitness.. So for 3 years you didn't back Rafa?

No I didn't say that :lol: Why have you just made up a random fake quote for fuck sake??? Strange guy I mean, I don't think he will beat Pep Guardiola's Man City... Except I never said he would? I never said that either

The Bruce argument is now irrelevant. You are actively supporting Ashley by giving him your money. Nah, I'm not. I'm not backing the owner, I am backing the manager

Its not though, we gave Rafa a chance, was that wrong to do then? No, because appointing Rafa was an unusually positive move for this club. It was someone with a decent record at the top level and an upgrade on what we'd had. He was yes, and he did a very good job. However, at the end of the day he finished 13th and 10th in the premier league, no higher. Is it against the realms of possibility that Bruce can finish in those places too? It's about what a manager does at THIS club 10th and 13th under difficult circumstances. The potential for Rafa to take us on further with moderate backing was there for all to see. He's been allowed to slip through our fingers. Now we don't really have a manager of choice, just someone prepared to take the job. That's the thing about Ashleys' NUFC. It's always shooting itself in the foot. Needless sabotage that i can't get my head around when a successful club would surely be of mutual benefit to fans and owner. Seymour name me all these managers and clubs in the last 10 years/30 clubs/30 managers that got Top 10 in their first season up? Wolves, Rafa Benitez and.......... Anyone could do the job Rafa Benitez did though well why has hardly any club done that with a promotion side in the last 10 years then!?? We were a promoted side half of them have gone DOWN since our promotion. Look at the percentages of teams that go down and don’t come back up for years. The downplaying of the job Rafa Benitez did for us is sickening. We’ll get the reality check though You are crazy I dont know tbh, not many managers at all take a newly promoted club and finish 10th,it was a fantastic achievement, where have I said otherwise? I've already said he did a very, very good job at Newcastle. I've said it multiple times now Where the fuck have I said that any manager can do what Rafa Benitez did?! I've not said that. If Bruce does do well, then he'll be be doing well with the players that Rafa bought bought. Where have I downplayed what Rafa has done? I said is it against the realms of possibility that Bruce could finish 13th and 10th like what Rafa has done? He did it at Sunderland...

Its not though, we gave Rafa a chance, was that wrong to do then? No, because appointing Rafa was an unusually positive move for this club. It was someone with a decent record at the top level and an upgrade on what we'd had. He was yes, and he did a very good job. However, at the end of the day he finished 13th and 10th in the premier league, no higher. Is it against the realms of possibility that Bruce can finish in those places too? It's about what a manager does at THIS club 10th and 13th under difficult circumstances. The potential for Rafa to take us on further with moderate backing was there for all to see. He's been allowed to slip through our fingers. Now we don't really have a manager of choice, just someone prepared to take the job. That's the thing about Ashleys' NUFC. It's always shooting itself in the foot. Needless sabotage that i can't get my head around when a successful club would surely be of mutual benefit to fans and owner. I completely agree with all of that It wasn't just a case of finishing 13th and 10th but there was so much potential in Rafa for this club to kick on, it's a disgrace that we didn't do more for him to stay. The fans were right behind Rafa even after a poor result or after a poor run, that helped the team significantly. We have to do the same under Bruce. I understand that people are pissed off, so am I

it's not our club anymore Yes it is, always will be Then why aren't you prepared to fight for it? Is it because the fight is with yourself? I could relate to that. Nobody is gladly giving up on the club. Every one has had to fight a deep-rooted, heartfelt connection, somewhere down the line. Fight for what exactly? If people don't want to renew then that's up to them and if they want to boycott then that's up to them. But that's a different subject Hry, if you think there is nothing to fight for then, fair enough. I agree that Bruce doesn't deserve any abuse. What he deserves is the wholehearted support from supporters of the club. But the club deserves not one supporter whilst c*** remains. When you say fight I presume you mean boycott? I've renewed... But like I say if people want to boycott then that's up to them, I get it. Different subject though... You're completely right, Bruce does deserve the wholehearted support from supporters. Hoping that a lot of what people are saying is simply backlash through being p*ssed off with losing Rafa? Hoping that when the season starts people realise that we need to get behind Bruce. Every opposing manager will use the negative atmosphere to their advantage if not.

:lol: You won’t be laughing next season Seymour. Can’t wait to post “Give Brucey a chance they said”. I won't be laughing at my club because I know we'll be in a relegation battle, just like we was under Rafa. Instead this time we have Bruce so our chance of getting relegated has certainly got higher. I'll still be laughing any supporter (of any club) who think it's okay to abuse a manager before he even manages a game. I'll laugh at any 'fan' that thinks that okay as it just isn't Lee Charnley is that you No big deal losing Rafa for Steve Bruce hahaaahaaaa. Who said it wasn't a big deal? Ofcourse it's a big deal. We've lost a very, very good manager in rafa, a manager who did a very good job here. Now we have a pretty average manager in Bruce Where have I said that isn't a big deal? You tried to downplay Rafa Benitez. We’ll see the consequences next season Only Man City & Liverpool lost less away games than Newcastle under Rafa Benitez last season. Only Man City & Liverpool conceded less away goals than Newcastle under Rafa Benitez last season. Newcastle 5 v 1 Spurs/Poch Newcastle 2 v 1 Man City/Guardiola Newcastle 3 v 0 Chelsea/Conte Newcastle 2 v 1 Arsenal/Wenger Newcastle 1 v 0 Man Utd/Mourinho If Steve Bruce can do all this he’ll get the faith I had for Rafa Benitez. I won’t just give it to a Geordie accent. Thing is it just doesn't matter with this c*** at the helm? Results mean nothing if you want him out So results under Rafa for the last 3 years have meant nothing because Ashley has been at the helm?

Thats true, I don't particularly have too much faith in him personally. It's just the stick and abuse and this 'hound him from the first minute' shit, that's ridiculous. Fucking embarrassing.

it's not our club anymore Yes it is, always will be Then why aren't you prepared to fight for it? Is it because the fight is with yourself? I could relate to that. Nobody is gladly giving up on the club. Every one has had to fight a deep-rooted, heartfelt connection, somewhere down the line. Fight for what exactly? If people don't want to renew then that's up to them and if they want to boycott then that's up to them. But that's a different subject

:lol: You won’t be laughing next season Seymour. Can’t wait to post “Give Brucey a chance they said”. I won't be laughing at my club because I know we'll be in a relegation battle, just like we was under Rafa. Instead this time we have Bruce so our chance of getting relegated has certainly got higher. I'll still be laughing any supporter (of any club) who think it's okay to abuse a manager before he even manages a game. I'll laugh at any 'fan' that thinks that okay as it just isn't Lee Charnley is that you No big deal losing Rafa for Steve Bruce hahaaahaaaa. Who said it wasn't a big deal? Ofcourse it's a big deal. We've lost a very, very good manager in rafa, a manager who did a very good job here. Now we have a pretty average manager in Bruce Where have I said that isn't a big deal? You tried to downplay Rafa Benitez. We’ll see the consequences next season Only Man City & Liverpool lost LESS away games than Newcastle under Rafa Benitez last season. Only Man City & Liverpool conceded LESS away goals than Newcastle under Rafa Benitez last season. Newcastle 5 v 1 Spurs/Poch Newcastle 2 v 1 Man City/Guardiola Newcastle 3 v 0 Chelsea/Conte Newcastle 2 v 1 Arsenal/Wenger Newcastle 1 v 0 Man Utd/Mourinho If Steve Bruce can do all this he’ll get the faith I had for Rafa Benitez. I won’t just give it to a Geordie accent. Did I? No I didn't I've already said that Rafa did a very good job with us, and like I already said having Bruce instead of having Rafa increases our chances of getting relegated. You shouldn't just give him it for his geordie accent no. All I've said is that Bruce deserves a chance

Its not though, we gave Rafa a chance, was that wrong to do then? No, because appointing Rafa was an unusually positive move for this club. It was someone with a decent record at the top level and an upgrade on what we'd had. He was yes, and he did a very good job. However, at the end of the day he finished 13th and 10th in the premier league, no higher. Is it against the realms of possibility that Bruce can finish in those places too? It's about what a manager does at THIS club

You've just described what it's like for the majority of fans in the country though Thats a very very miserable way of looking at things.

it's not our club anymore Yes it is, always will be

:lol: You won’t be laughing next season Seymour. Can’t wait to post “Give Brucey a chance they said”. I won't be laughing at my club because I know we'll be in a relegation battle, just like we was under Rafa. Instead this time we have Bruce so our chance of getting relegated has certainly got higher. I'll still be laughing any supporter (of any club) who think it's okay to abuse a manager before he even manages a game. I'll laugh at any 'fan' that thinks that okay as it just isn't Lee Charnley is that you No big deal losing Rafa for Steve Bruce hahaaahaaaa. Who said it wasn't a big deal? 🤔 Ofcourse it's a big deal. We've lost a very, very good manager in rafa, a manager who did a very good job here. Now we have a pretty average manager in Bruce Where have I said that isn't a big deal?

:lol: You won’t be laughing next season Seymour. Can’t wait to post “Give Brucey a chance they said”. So you actively want your club to fail in order to say 'I told you so' and I'm the fucking wankstain??? pathetic

:lol: You won’t be laughing next season Seymour. Can’t wait to post “Give Brucey a chance they said”. I won't be laughing at my club because I know we'll be in a relegation battle, just like we was under Rafa. Instead this time we have Bruce so our chance of getting relegated has certainly got higher. I'll still be laughing any supporter (of any club) who think it's okay to abuse a manager before he even manages a game. I'll laugh at any 'fan' that thinks that okay as it just isn't

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Are you being serious? He deserves abuse from the first minute, he's done f*** all wrong man Surely he deserves a chance atleast? He's a fat manure mackem shithead who pretends to be a Newcastle fan and is a horrible yes man snake. Yes he should be as he shouldn't be here. Accepting him is accepting Ashley's version of nufc :lol: christ... You're actually adcovating hounding out a manager before his first game in charge? Can we not just atleast give him a chance i'm not as rabid as the others but bruce "deserves" nothing whatsoever imo, if he goes out and gets results then i'll maybe grudgingly accept him as a competent football manager but he's got it all to prove no one else should be greeted with indifference until he proves he deserves otherwise one way or another If he goes out and gets results and gets us to finish 13th and 10th like Rafa did, then hegets lot of praise from me. If he gets us relegated then he'll rightfully get a lot of stick from supporters. Any newly appointed manager deserves a chance to see what he can do. It's absolutely pathetic to completely write of a manager when he's been here 5 minutes. He doesn’t deserve any chance whatsoever. This is the same bullshit we heard from people with Pardew. f*** giving him a chance, f*** him and f*** Ashley. I’m not giving him any chance whatsoever Just been appointed and doesn't deserve a chance man, christ best get Bruce Out painted on your best bedsheet then mate. Get him hounded out before he even manages a game.... Then what??? I won’t be going to games so no bed sheet required. He shouldn’t be afforded any sort of opportunity, he’s Ashley’s choice, we binned Rafa off for him, he’s a dog s*** manager with no scruples, you go ahead and “give him a chance” he shouldn’t be anywhere near this club but if you’re willing to let your standards drop that you want to give Steve Bruce a chance then good for you mate Okay then, so with regards to Steve Bruce, what do you suggest we do then?

Its not though, we gave Rafa a chance, was that wrong to do then?

Are you being serious? He deserves abuse from the first minute, he's done f*** all wrong man Surely he deserves a chance atleast? He's a fat manure mackem shithead who pretends to be a Newcastle fan and is a horrible yes man snake. Yes he should be as he shouldn't be here. Accepting him is accepting Ashley's version of nufc :lol: christ... You're actually adcovating hounding out a manager before his first game in charge? Can we not just atleast give him a chance i'm not as rabid as the others but bruce "deserves" nothing whatsoever imo, if he goes out and gets results then i'll maybe grudgingly accept him as a competent football manager but he's got it all to prove no one else should be greeted with indifference until he proves he deserves otherwise one way or another If he goes out and gets results and gets us to finish 13th and 10th like Rafa did, then hegets lot of praise from me. If he gets us relegated then he'll rightfully get a lot of stick from supporters. Any newly appointed manager deserves a chance to see what he can do. It's absolutely pathetic to completely write of a manager when he's been here 5 minutes. He doesn’t deserve any chance whatsoever. This is the same bullshit we heard from people with Pardew. f*** giving him a chance, f*** him and f*** Ashley. I’m not giving him any chance whatsoever Just been appointed and doesn't deserve a chance man, christ best get Bruce Out painted on your best bedsheet then mate. Get him hounded out before he even manages a game.... Then what??? there's a world of difference between being given a chance and being hounded out mind, tbh he's been given his chance in getting the job the first place which is why i say he needs to earn time through his own ability rather than being given the benefit of the doubt, that time has passed for ashley shills imo Theres people actually saying he shouldn't be hounded out right now man I think your second paragraph is very fair tbh

Are you being serious? He deserves abuse from the first minute, he's done f*** all wrong man Surely he deserves a chance atleast? He's a fat manure mackem shithead who pretends to be a Newcastle fan and is a horrible yes man snake. Yes he should be as he shouldn't be here. Accepting him is accepting Ashley's version of nufc :lol: christ... You're actually adcovating hounding out a manager before his first game in charge? Can we not just atleast give him a chance i'm not as rabid as the others but bruce "deserves" nothing whatsoever imo, if he goes out and gets results then i'll maybe grudgingly accept him as a competent football manager but he's got it all to prove no one else should be greeted with indifference until he proves he deserves otherwise one way or another If he goes out and gets results and gets us to finish 13th and 10th like Rafa did, then hegets lot of praise from me. If he gets us relegated then he'll rightfully get a lot of stick from supporters. Any newly appointed manager deserves a chance to see what he can do. It's absolutely pathetic to completely write of a manager when he's been here 5 minutes. He doesn’t deserve any chance whatsoever. This is the same bullshit we heard from people with Pardew. f*** giving him a chance, f*** him and f*** Ashley. I’m not giving him any chance whatsoever Just been appointed and doesn't deserve a chance man, christ best get Bruce Out painted on your best bedsheet then mate. Get him hounded out before he even manages a game.... Then what???

what does this actually mean though? he's knowingly signed up for the conditions of employment which we all know essentially means being the guy with his finger in the dyke until it crashes down on top of him unless he starts by winning from the off he can f*** off tbh, and that's not a contradiction of my previous position but unless he starts winning he deserves s*** for it It means exactly what it says? It means don't hound him out after a game 🙄 Rafa knowingly signed up for the conditions of employment didn't he? Don't get me wrong Rafa fought and fought with Ashley for 3 years, and Ashley broke promise after promise with Rafa which is why I wasn't angry at him him leaving, I didn't blame him. Rafa wasn't a yes man, but the facts are for 3 years he did work under the conditions Ashley set out for him. Okay, so he loses his first 2 games in charge, what you going to do, hound him out? And then say that no manager should take the job under Ashley? steve bruce has a 20 year record as a f***ing nobody that's achieved absolutely nothing and has come in knowing full well they f***ed off an immeasurably better manager (and man) than him because and only because he would do what he was told the onus is entirely on him to prove he's not as s*** as his history suggests he is but his results should determine everything and he doesn't get much time in my eye for the above reasons stated, you can't agree to what he's agreed to and if you start losing games expect time you've got to judge it as it comes cause there are a million scenarios but for me he needs an early win, some promising performances in the inevitable defeats and no pardew style buttfuckings...then i think he earns a bit of time, but if he goes 5-6 games without a win and we get dicked in a few of them heavily then i'd not argue against anyone turning on him as i said at the start i wouldn't be hostile to him from the off personally but everything is on him, not the fans I pretty much agree with this, I didn't want Bruce as manager. He hasn't been hired by a premier league club for 10 years and there's a reason for that. Like you say you have to judge it how it comes, he'll certainly get time from me before I turn on him. Booing him and abusing him when he's just become manager is only making matters worse

It should be aimed at Bruce apparently, how dare he take a premier league job, what a wanker. Such a snake for leaving a championship job...