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He put the prices up because he knows he can, yes. Because he knows fans will pay it. Having said that the ticket revenue is a drop in the ocean though when it comes to our revenue, do people think that if we just boycott every game he's going to sell the club? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Not sure how people can go that long without going to a game but there you go What are you going for though? What are you supporting? Please don’t say ‘the team’. We are not a competitive sporting institution under Ashley. We aim for no more than survival and are actively prevented by Ashley from having any ambition beyond that. I know what this club can be. I was there during Keegan and Sir Bobby and we are not that club any more. Due to Ashley. Stop enabling him ffs So because we aren't a 'competitve sporting intuition' that means stop going to games? Basically you're saying because we're s*** and haven't got a good team unlike when Keegan and Robson was here you're not going to games anymore? Our aim is survival yes, so is half the league. You're sounding completely duluded and entitled to be honest. You'll only turn up if we've got a good team, that's not what's supporting a club is about Howay Seymour man. Until that last quote i've admired your bravery in defending the minority view (on here anyway) but that last sentence? As i said before there's more to it than just being s***. If we try but fail then fair enough, but there is no trying. I haven't said it to anyone else, but read his post man. It sounds like the reason he went to games was because we had a good team under KK and Robson, and now because we're s**** and fighting relegation who won't go anymore. I understand what you mean, we have the capabilities to be so much more under Ashley. Under Westwood, Mckeag etc we never really had the major, major money that Ashley has You absolute muppet. I’d go and watch us under any regime and in any league we were in as long as we were trying to compete. Don’t ever put words into my mouth again you utter clown. if you say so So in order to watch the club you support, we have to 'compete'? Why can't you just support your football club? Surely you support your football club because that's your football club not because it's 'competing' or not You're not arsed that the team you care so dearly about is actively and overtly trying to avoid being successful? . Ofcourse I am, I want the club to be successful obviously. But me supporting the club isn't dependant on where we finish or not.

? None of those things are Steve Bruce's fault though

Its just my belief man that's all, Ashley is stubborn as fuck, anyone who has met him would say so. He doesn't like being told what to do. Fans do have power with certain things, I just don't personally think we have the power realistically to get rid of him. What we need is someone to give him an offer that he couldnt resist and at the price he wants that's unrealistic Going round and round in circles here anyway. We have different opinions, that's fine by me ?

He put the prices up because he knows he can, yes. Because he knows fans will pay it. Having said that the ticket revenue is a drop in the ocean though when it comes to our revenue, do people think that if we just boycott every game he's going to sell the club? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Not sure how people can go that long without going to a game but there you go What are you going for though? What are you supporting? Please don’t say ‘the team’. We are not a competitive sporting institution under Ashley. We aim for no more than survival and are actively prevented by Ashley from having any ambition beyond that. I know what this club can be. I was there during Keegan and Sir Bobby and we are not that club any more. Due to Ashley. Stop enabling him ffs So because we aren't a 'competitve sporting intuition' that means stop going to games? Basically you're saying because we're s*** and haven't got a good team unlike when Keegan and Robson was here you're not going to games anymore? Our aim is survival yes, so is half the league. You're sounding completely duluded and entitled to be honest. You'll only turn up if we've got a good team, that's not what's supporting a club is about Howay Seymour man. Until that last quote i've admired your bravery in defending the minority view (on here anyway) but that last sentence? As i said before there's more to it than just being s***. If we try but fail then fair enough, but there is no trying. I haven't said it to anyone else, but read his post man. It sounds like the reason he went to games was because we had a good team under KK and Robson, and now because we're s**** and fighting relegation who won't go anymore. I understand what you mean, we have the capabilities to be so much more under Ashley. Under Westwood, Mckeag etc we never really had the major, major money that Ashley has You absolute muppet. I’d go and watch us under any regime and in any league we were in as long as we were trying to compete. Don’t ever put words into my mouth again you utter clown. if you say so So in order to watch the club you support, we have to 'compete'? Why can't you just support your football club? Surely you support your football club because that's your football club not because it's 'competing' or not

He put the prices up because he knows he can, yes. Because he knows fans will pay it. Having said that the ticket revenue is a drop in the ocean though when it comes to our revenue, do people think that if we just boycott every game he's going to sell the club? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Not sure how people can go that long without going to a game but there you go What are you going for though? What are you supporting? Please don’t say ‘the team’. We are not a competitive sporting institution under Ashley. We aim for no more than survival and are actively prevented by Ashley from having any ambition beyond that. I know what this club can be. I was there during Keegan and Sir Bobby and we are not that club any more. Due to Ashley. Stop enabling him ffs So because we aren't a 'competitve sporting intuition' that means stop going to games? Basically you're saying because we're s*** and haven't got a good team unlike when Keegan and Robson was here you're not going to games anymore? Our aim is survival yes, so is half the league. You're sounding completely duluded and entitled to be honest. You'll only turn up if we've got a good team, that's not what's supporting a club is about Even when we were s*** we still tried to compete we tried to get better than s***, Different subject altogether but that simply isn't true tbh, fans boycotted against Westwood and Mckeag too. Taking the Robson/Keegan years away we've been pretty poor/average since the 50's. What annoys me the most however is that Ashley has the money and capabilities to do so much more than what he does

Painting the ground as we speak actually ? Still s**** , You'll never know man, nee f***er goes to games on here A lot of us used to but most have seen the light. Took me longer than most but no more money for Mike Ashley's companies work team. It's the only way. Aye. Carry on going though Seymour. Get yourself an SD flag while your at it, that way his tatty business can get an extra layer of exposure along with a full stadium. Sorry for going to watch the football club I support I'll be supporting the 11 players on the pitch and the manager in the dugout, like I've always done. Good ownership or bad ownership won't change that. I'll not be supporting SD or Mike Ashley and I refuse to believe that just because you're supporting the team that means you're supporting the ownership. Believe what you like, doesn't change the facts. You're his only guaranteed revenue stream and the reason he's still here. I'm the reason he's still here aye If I genuinely thought that cancelling my season ticket would get rid off Ashley then I would So are you saying that if everyone cancelled their season tickets he'd still be here? Thats what I'm saying yes. Mike Ashley sells the club when HE wants not when you do. What if Mike Ashley is here for another 10 years? Am I fuck going 10 years without going to a game, just because we've had a shite owner

Painting the ground as we speak actually ? Still s**** , You'll never know man, nee f***er goes to games on here A lot of us used to but most have seen the light. Took me longer than most but no more money for Mike Ashley's companies work team. It's the only way. Aye. Carry on going though Seymour. Get yourself an SD flag while your at it, that way his tatty business can get an extra layer of exposure along with a full stadium. Sorry for going to watch the football club I support I'll be supporting the 11 players on the pitch and the manager in the dugout, like I've always done. Good ownership or bad ownership won't change that. I'll not be supporting SD or Mike Ashley and I refuse to believe that just because you're supporting the team that means you're supporting the ownership. Believe what you like, doesn't change the facts. You're his only guaranteed revenue stream and the reason he's still here. I'm the reason he's still here aye If I genuinely thought that cancelling my season ticket would get rid off Ashley then I would

It's not like. There is a new addition to the list of reasons but that's not it. It 100% is though man, I defend our fans all the time but some of the things I've read today has been absolutely mental.

Painting the ground as we speak actually ? Still s**** , You'll never know man, nee f***er goes to games on here A lot of us used to but most have seen the light. Took me longer than most but no more money for Mike Ashley's companies work team. It's the only way. Aye. Carry on going though Seymour. Get yourself an SD flag while your at it, that way his tatty business can get an extra layer of exposure along with a full stadium. Sorry for going to watch the football club I support I'll be supporting the 11 players on the pitch and the manager in the dugout, like I've always done. Good ownership or bad ownership won't change that. I'll not be supporting SD or Mike Ashley and I refuse to believe that just because you're supporting the team that means you're supporting the ownership.

It's Fun88 :lol: Fans abysmal for going to games this is why we get called deluded

Painting the ground as we speak actually ? Still s**** , You'll never know man, nee fucker goes to games on here

Painting the ground as we speak actually ?

He put the prices up because he knows he can, yes. Because he knows fans will pay it. Having said that the ticket revenue is a drop in the ocean though when it comes to our revenue, do people think that if we just boycott every game he's going to sell the club? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Not sure how people can go that long without going to a game but there you go What are you going for though? What are you supporting? Please don’t say ‘the team’. We are not a competitive sporting institution under Ashley. We aim for no more than survival and are actively prevented by Ashley from having any ambition beyond that. I know what this club can be. I was there during Keegan and Sir Bobby and we are not that club any more. Due to Ashley. Stop enabling him ffs So because we aren't a 'competitve sporting intuition' that means stop going to games? Basically you're saying because we're s*** and haven't got a good team unlike when Keegan and Robson was here you're not going to games anymore? Our aim is survival yes, so is half the league. You're sounding completely duluded and entitled to be honest. You'll only turn up if we've got a good team, that's not what's supporting a club is about Howay Seymour man. Until that last quote i've admired your bravery in defending the minority view (on here anyway) but that last sentence? As i said before there's more to it than just being s***. If we try but fail then fair enough, but there is no trying. I haven't said it to anyone else, but read his post man. It sounds like the reason he went to games was because we had a good team under KK and Robson, and now because we're shite and fighting relegation who won't go anymore. I understand what you mean, we have the capabilities to be so much more under Ashley. Under Westwood, Mckeag etc we never really had the major, major money that Ashley has

And if we get relegated we could get stuck in the championship or even worse... I know you're going to come out with the 'I'd rather be in the championship or league 1 if it got rid off Ashley' But if you won't go to games in the premier league, got a feeling you'll be boycotting in league 1 too regardless off ownership.

no dignity

Aye, because I'm just giving directly giving it to Ashley aren't I

He put the prices up because he knows he can, yes. Because he knows fans will pay it. Having said that the ticket revenue is a drop in the ocean though when it comes to our revenue, do people think that if we just boycott every game he's going to sell the club? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Not sure how people can go that long without going to a game but there you go If you boycott the club, at the very least you can retain a little bit of dignity, instead of acting like a battered spouse. Whether it makes a difference to Ashley's tenure or not, I would rather be comfortable knowing that I wasn't taken for a complete mug. The way you are looking at it, there is even less hope for change, and, worse, you will always look the fool. Walk away. Imagine saying that man Supporters that go to support their football club, have no dignity apparently

Who said he doesn't care about 25m a year? ? That would be silly, ofcourse it does But in the grand scheme of things it isn't the main source of income, it isn't the difference between him staying or going. That's the bit you're not getting. He's not still here because season ticket holders are going to games, he's still here because he wants to still be here/the price he will sell it at is very high

He put the prices up because he knows he can, yes. Because he knows fans will pay it. Having said that the ticket revenue is a drop in the ocean though when it comes to our revenue, do people think that if we just boycott every game he's going to sell the club? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Not sure how people can go that long without going to a game but there you go But it's not a drop in the ocean is it. Season ticket revenue equates to between 20-30 million quid a season. And empty/half-empty stadia are detrimental to how the premier league brands itself to the overseas markets - passionate, sold-out stadiums, with unrivalled atmospheres, bla bla bla. It all equals pressure on Ashley. Season ticket revenue also remains so important to us because our commercial revenue is atrocious in comparison to the rest of the league and has gone backwards under Ashley's ownership. Just keep on convincing yourself that it's totally sound to give him your money for whatever bullshit reason you can think of. Ofcourse it is Our main revenue is TV money, you already know that. Ofcourse 30m isn't nothing but do you really think that's the difference between him staying or going. 30m?

He put the prices up because he knows he can, yes. Because he knows fans will pay it. Having said that the ticket revenue is a drop in the ocean though when it comes to our revenue, do people think that if we just boycott every game he's going to sell the club? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Not sure how people can go that long without going to a game but there you go What are you going for though? What are you supporting? Please don’t say ‘the team’. We are not a competitive sporting institution under Ashley. We aim for no more than survival and are actively prevented by Ashley from having any ambition beyond that. I know what this club can be. I was there during Keegan and Sir Bobby and we are not that club any more. Due to Ashley. Stop enabling him ffs So because we aren't a 'competitve sporting intuition' that means stop going to games? Basically you're saying because we're shit and haven't got a good team unlike when Keegan and Robson was here you're not going to games anymore? Our aim is survival yes, so is half the league. You're sounding completely duluded and entitled to be honest. You'll only turn up if we've got a good team, that's not what's supporting a club is about

He put the prices up because he knows he can, yes. Because he knows fans will pay it. Having said that the ticket revenue is a drop in the ocean though when it comes to our revenue, do people think that if we just boycott every game he's going to sell the club? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Not sure how people can go that long without going to a game but there you go

The Bruce argument is now irrelevant. You are actively supporting Ashley by giving him your money. Nah, I'm not. I'm not backing the owner, I am backing the manager You are funding the owner and accepting his shitness.. So for 3 years you didn't back Rafa? The owner was given an opportunity to change how he did things. Rafa had given us all a bit of hope again. He was showing us the way things could be if he was supported, and presented that plan to the c***s in charge. Instead Ashley and Charnley decided to reject Rafa's plan, sack him off and return to their previous plan of doing and spending the absolute bare minimum to stay in the premier league and maximise the exposure of Sports Direct and associated entities. By appointing Steve Bruce they've shown us that they have literally zero ambition for the club beyond staying in the league and finishing 17th. It has now reached the stage that if you buy a season ticket you're effectively saying that you're alright with Newcastle United being nothing more than a marketing strategy for one of the biggest c***s in the UK. You're buying into how he runs our football club. You're choosing to gloss over the fact that he has systematically destroyed everything that was ever good about supporting our football club. This isn't our club any more. Stop pretending it is, and stop giving the c***s your money I agree with all of that apart from the 'If you buy a season ticket you're effectively saying you're alright with Newcastle United being nothing more than a marketing strategy' Sorry but that's bollocks, you can want an owner out but still go to games, not having that. I'm not happy with how the club is being run, ofcourse I'm not, im as p*ssed off as anyone that they didn't do enough to keep Rafa. But just because you still want to go to games, it doesn't mean that you're supporting Ashley. Supporters shouldn't be made to feel guilty just because they want to go games and actually support the team. If you buy a season ticket you are absolutely complicit and happy with the way Ashley runs the club. You are enabling it. There is literally no other way of looking at it. Apart from delusion. You are deluding yourself. Looks like we'll have 45k+ deluded supporters next season then?

The Bruce argument is now irrelevant. You are actively supporting Ashley by giving him your money. Nah, I'm not. I'm not backing the owner, I am backing the manager You are funding the owner and accepting his shitness.. So for 3 years you didn't back Rafa? The owner was given an opportunity to change how he did things. Rafa had given us all a bit of hope again. He was showing us the way things could be if he was supported, and presented that plan to the c***s in charge. Instead Ashley and Charnley decided to reject Rafa's plan, sack him off and return to their previous plan of doing and spending the absolute bare minimum to stay in the premier league and maximise the exposure of Sports Direct and associated entities. By appointing Steve Bruce they've shown us that they have literally zero ambition for the club beyond staying in the league and finishing 17th. It has now reached the stage that if you buy a season ticket you're effectively saying that you're alright with Newcastle United being nothing more than a marketing strategy for one of the biggest c***s in the UK. You're buying into how he runs our football club. You're choosing to gloss over the fact that he has systematically destroyed everything that was ever good about supporting our football club. This isn't our club any more. Stop pretending it is, and stop giving the c***s your money I agree with all of that apart from the 'If you buy a season ticket you're effectively saying you're alright with Newcastle United being nothing more than a marketing strategy' Sorry but that's bollocks, you can want an owner out but still go to games, not having that. I'm not happy with how the club is being run, ofcourse I'm not, im as p*ssed off as anyone that they didn't do enough to keep Rafa. But just because you still want to go to games, it doesn't mean that you're supporting Ashley. Supporters shouldn't be made to feel guilty just because they want to go games and actually support the team. See what he's done to the club man? It's come to this. Attending SJP is now shamed, akin to sneaking into the private shop near Redheugh Bridge. I've been told there's one there anyway. Things are the most toxic, people most divided for a long time. Its ridiculous, Ashley is the problem 100%. But attempting to make supporters feel guilty for actually going to games and supporting the club is embarrassing. Maybe they feel that regardless of you going to the games or not Ashley will go when he wants to go? I think you should be ashamed if you keep giving Ashley money and lost your right to challenge the ownership you actively support. Regardless of what your meaning about the owner and intention for going to games are you are still supporting the owner with your money and presence. It's not hard to understand. Only reasons for people to attend is through stupidity or selfishness. No other way around it. Ashamed for fuck sake man :lol:

No I won't If people don't want to go games, then that's up to them. I understand why fans want to boycott. I won't attempt to make anyone feel bad for choosing not to go to games, that's there right and I get it. Just like people shouldn't attempt to make others feels bad for choosing to go to games. My personal belief is that Mike Ashley will leave when Mike Ashley wants and boycotting or not boycotting won't change that. If people have a different opinion then that's fine. If I thought that boycotting would get rid off Ashley then I would cancel my season ticket tomorrow. I just don't believe it will.

The Bruce argument is now irrelevant. You are actively supporting Ashley by giving him your money. Nah, I'm not. I'm not backing the owner, I am backing the manager You are funding the owner and accepting his shitness.. So for 3 years you didn't back Rafa? The owner was given an opportunity to change how he did things. Rafa had given us all a bit of hope again. He was showing us the way things could be if he was supported, and presented that plan to the c***s in charge. Instead Ashley and Charnley decided to reject Rafa's plan, sack him off and return to their previous plan of doing and spending the absolute bare minimum to stay in the premier league and maximise the exposure of Sports Direct and associated entities. By appointing Steve Bruce they've shown us that they have literally zero ambition for the club beyond staying in the league and finishing 17th. It has now reached the stage that if you buy a season ticket you're effectively saying that you're alright with Newcastle United being nothing more than a marketing strategy for one of the biggest c***s in the UK. You're buying into how he runs our football club. You're choosing to gloss over the fact that he has systematically destroyed everything that was ever good about supporting our football club. This isn't our club any more. Stop pretending it is, and stop giving the c***s your money I agree with all of that apart from the 'If you buy a season ticket you're effectively saying you're alright with Newcastle United being nothing more than a marketing strategy' Sorry but that's bollocks, you can want an owner out but still go to games, not having that. I'm not happy with how the club is being run, ofcourse I'm not, im as p*ssed off as anyone that they didn't do enough to keep Rafa. But just because you still want to go to games, it doesn't mean that you're supporting Ashley. Supporters shouldn't be made to feel guilty just because they want to go games and actually support the team. See what he's done to the club man? It's come to this. Attending SJP is now shamed, akin to sneaking into the private shop near Redheugh Bridge. I've been told there's one there anyway. Things are the most toxic, people most divided for a long time. Its ridiculous, Ashley is the problem 100%. But attempting to make supporters feel guilty for actually going to games and supporting the club is embarrassing. Maybe they feel that regardless of you going to the games or not Ashley will go when he wants to go?