Whitley mag

 

Well the UK Government have not been able to stop the IPTV app, so how can  they expect the Saudis too 

This how can we expect to hold the saudi’s to such a high standard of policing this, when nearly every fu#%er in my office is watching illegal streams every weekend ?

Should we not be getting our own house in order first.

I just don’t see this stopping the takeover, Simon Bird seems to have joined the negative story club lately.

Did anyone watch little bitter miggy on the Sunday supplement, be interested to know what he said ?

 

Spot the difference in the tone of this article, the little Man U supporting waster.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-united-sale-saudi-arabia-interest-reports-latest-buy-club-mohammad-bin-salman-a8586866.html

 

A report piece not an opinion piece. He described the potential for Man United to be bought by SA as 'doomsday for football.'

Still a different tone there to anything he’s written about us, report, opinion piece or not.

Did anyone watch little bitter miggy on the Sunday supplement, be interested to know what he said ?

Spot the difference in the tone of this article, the little Man U supporting waster.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-united-sale-saudi-arabia-interest-reports-latest-buy-club-mohammad-bin-salman-a8586866.html

Bellend Delaney on Sunday Supplement....

Think I’ll give that a swerve.

She must think she has a good case if she's going ahead with it.

 

Not sure how it affects our takeover tbh, she's suing a bank because she feels they owe her something. She's not the one being sued nor has she broken the law. Worst case is she fails, and then everyone moves on, right?

Isn't her 10% investment based on her winning her case? She used the expected payout as collateral for the loan didn't she?

It’s in the companies house documents yes, however if she wins the full claim she could feasibly fund the whole purchase herself.

Think Mandy is going to have her hands full next few weeks. Not sure how i feel about Jenkins calling her a ‘tart’, almost like someone calling your lass.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-8392821/Barclays-1-6bn-court-showdown-financier-Amanda-Staveley.html

It would appear the story in the daily mail by Helen Cahill is very well sourced. The same reporter has interviewed Staveley in a separate article in the mail today, it’s about her court case with Barclays this week. So safe to say the information has come straight from Staveley herself.

 

It even mentions how she was for late for the interview after speaking to investors. Wonder who that might have been 

 

It’s not an interview mind;

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-8395255/City-dealmaker-Staveley-pledged-fee-6-times.html

That’s not the full article it’s under ‘this is money’. It’s definitely an interview mate. Though the article is from March i think the fact she’s interviewed Staveley recently, gives her article in the mail credibility.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-8086245/Amanda-Staveley-City-dealmaker-whos-suing-Barclays-1-6-Billion.html

Miguel Delaney spouting his bile on Sunday Supplement at 10am on Sky. No doubt he’ll get free reign to slate the takeover and call on the world to unite against it.

It would appear the story in the daily mail by Helen Cahill is very well sourced. The same reporter has interviewed Staveley in a separate article in the mail today, it’s about her court case with Barclays this week. So safe to say the information has come straight from Staveley herself.

It even mentions how she was for late for the interview after speaking to investors. Wonder who that might have been 

This consortium has to much money and influential people involved to fail. An agreement will be found to suit everybody.

Some massively baseless speculation going on.

 

The PL cant discuss TV rights with the Saudis whilst also taking about the takeover. That amounts to, at best, a conflict of interest and at worst, corruption.

 

They cant say "we will pass this, if you bid for tv rights." 

 

They are looking to see if SA can be properly linked to piracy, which should worry everyone, since they almost certainly were involved.

 

If Bein are being consulted, it's because they are providing evidence against the Saudi's, not because they are discussing future TV rights FFS.

 

Like it or not, this takeover is on a knife edge and when Masters said the other week, "we will discuss that when we get to it," it shows now that this part of the process had not properly begun.

 

As it confidential can the premier league discuss the takeover with bein ?

 

How do you not know Masters is trying to keep everyone happy to try and avoid legal action. Surely that is the best outcome for premier league.

 

 

The PL can speak to Bein, provided that it's part of evidence gathering. They can speak to whoever they want but when they do, presumably said party will also have to sign confidentiality forms.

 

This is a PL investigation, not a Staveley one or a Qatar/Bein one. They choose what is relevant and important with regards to the tests in which they have set.

 

If they can find any reasonable evidence that breaks any of their tests, then they will block the takeover until whatever the issues is has been sorted.

 

I suspect that the french courts have a much more stringent set of thresholds than that of the PL, making proving piracy to the PL easier.

Is that not the key though ‘until whatever the issues are have been sorted’.

I’m convinced with the individuals we have involved in this, they will ensure it is sorted.

To think Saudi's or bust is feckin mental imo. I get why that argument can be made but if there are others interested, and they are genuine. To say no because they're not the Saudi's is crazy.

There’s been other interest for 13 years, I’m interested in the group who have finally had a bid accepted. This group are also not leveraging the club with debt and have the financial muscle to transform us.

Some massively baseless speculation going on.

 

The PL cant discuss TV rights with the Saudis whilst also taking about the takeover. That amounts to, at best, a conflict of interest and at worst, corruption.

 

They cant say "we will pass this, if you bid for tv rights." 

 

They are looking to see if SA can be properly linked to piracy, which should worry everyone, since they almost certainly were involved.

 

If Bein are being consulted, it's because they are providing evidence against the Saudi's, not because they are discussing future TV rights FFS.

 

Like it or not, this takeover is on a knife edge and when Masters said the other week, "we will discuss that when we get to it," it shows now that this part of the process had not properly begun.

As it confidential can the premier league discuss the takeover with bein ?

How do you not know Masters is trying to keep everyone happy to try and avoid legal action. Surely that is the best outcome for premier league.

I couldn't give a toss if there are other interested parties or not. It's this current lot or bust. No other buyer will look to invest in us as heavily as the Saudis or try to grow us as significantly on a sporting level, and any American buyer will just be a glorified version of Ashley. No thanks.

 

In my 35 years of supprting NUFC I have always believed we could be an elite club with the right people running it. I believe that those exact people have now finally turned up. If the PL reject this proposal from them then that's me done with football. With the way the game is now, no other other owner would bring with them the total committment to ensure that NUFC fulfills it's potential. If that now makes me a glory supporter then I am ok with that. I have done my time watching unambitious and parasitic owners dismantle this club and actively try to work against its potential.  I have no more time or energy to follow the events of another takeover farce if this one falls through.

 

I couldn't give a f*** about the human rights angle either. I don't care where Saudi Arabia are as a country in terms of human rights, where they have been or where they are going. I just want their money for us as a club and the investment they will bring to our city. That's not to say I don't care about human rights. I do. And if their relationship with NUFC improves their development as a country and makes them more civilised then great, but I wouldn't lose a second of sleep if it doesnt. This is what the vast, vast majority of our fanbase will be thinking too. And if being owned by the Saudis makes us the most hated club in the country then bring it on. It won't though. At worst we will be Marmite, in the way that Man Utd are.

 

There is absolutely nothing to lose with this takeover going through. The club is currently dead, replaced entirely by SDFC. If this proposed regime somehow does not work out the way we hope and it ends in disaster then we will have lost nothing as the alternative would have been obscurity and an inevitable third relegation under Ashley.

 

 

 

Sums it up for me, too.

Nicely put and sums up the view of everyone I speak to.

 

Not sure what to make of this

My guess is he’s trying to negotiate a way round this. It has been mooted about Saudi taking tv deal for them UAE and Bahrain. Qatar would keep rest of MENA region.

Certainly interesting but if he’s been allowing them to lobby against bid, well confidentiality is out of the window and would leave them open to legal action.

While it does seem massively suspect that there’s American buyers waiting in the wings and that they’ve only shown themselves now, Winter is highly respectable so there must be some truth in it. He doesn’t bullshit

 

Why they waiting in the wings though? If they really wanted to buy the club, then they have had more than enough time to do so well before now

 

I agree mate, I’m just saying Winter is well reputed, I doubt it’s complete bollocks

Winter is well respected and actually speaks very well about us. I don’t doubt he’s been told

of interest, however that’s far from negotiating a sale with Ashley.

I would park any thoughts of other interest until we get a conclusion to this bid.

I would seriously then even doubt many of us would have the stomach for another drawn out takeover. This feels like all or nothing for many of us.

Owen Brown and Frank McPartland links seem to be getting stronger. This must be the clearest sign that Rafa is nailed on for this job at the end of the season.

For all the noise relating to the Saudi involvement, Staveley and Rafa will be the face of this club moving forward.

With the Saudi finance, Reubens property and commercial nous and Staveley’s ability to build relationships, this really is the ultimate consortium.

Forget all the other shit swirling around this, there is no way the above mentioned do not come to an agreement with the Premier League to get this through.

Happy days await.

Is that the only choice? What if they are reasonably ambitious? How come it’s a given they are s***?

 

Beacause 13 years of no one matching his valuation tells us they don’t exist.

 

We all get people having objections to the Saudis, and I don’t class myself as heartless with no morals.

 

However, rightly or wrongly this takeover whether you like it or not is our only option, 13 years evidence of no successful takeovers tells us this.

 

Am I a bad person for turning a blind eye, maybe but where all hypocrites in some aspects of our life.

 

Or his valuation was too high and he didn't want to sell. He apparently wanted nearer 400 and is now settling for 300. Not surprising if other bidders now pop out of the wood work if that's the case.

At this moment in time I would suggest there’s very few people with 300 million to spend on a football club.

When of the premier leagues biggest clubs has had to take a 175 million loan from the Bank of England, it’s hardly a great advert for investors.

Is that the only choice? What if they are reasonably ambitious? How come it’s a given they are s***?

Beacause 13 years of no one matching his valuation tells us they don’t exist.

We all get people having objections to the Saudis, and I don’t class myself as heartless with no morals.

However, rightly or wrongly this takeover whether you like it or not is our only option, 13 years evidence of no successful takeovers tells us this.

Am I a bad person for turning a blind eye, maybe but where all hypocrites in some aspects of our life.

Here we go again. Back and forth between members until the Sunday rags come up with some new lie.

There's a path through this that is anti Ashley and anti Saudi that gets us through the other side with some integrity. The soul of the club is as important as the success of the club. If you don't believe that then what are we doing?

 

What path is that then?

Fight Ashley, protest against Saudi involvement in the club. Protect the soul of NUFC.

 

You all keep saying we are special but have  rolled over and stuck your legs in the air for the first billionaire that's got a chance of prising us from Ashley's grip. We are special we should be fighting to remain so. If we don't then what's the point?

 

Yes lets have a mock funeral and not eat the pies at half time and oh ....

There is no soul left to preserve 13 years of Ashley proved that .

Then what's the point?

 

What's your answer then? Fan ownership?

There's a plenty of stops between being Saudi or Ashley owned. I'm idealistic not naïve, I want someone with ambition that cares that doesn't have blood on their hands. Is it realistic probably not but does it mean we shouldn't fight for it f*** no.

 

Where have these stops been the last 13 years you talk about ?

The same support the team not the regime bullshit that held us back during the Ashley era.

Don’t think so I haven’t been in 11 years, so try again.

You say there’s stops between Ashley and Saudis.

Like I said your naive, where have these stops been the last 13 years ?

And where will these stops be waiting to pay 300 million in the middle of a global pandemic, with the worlds economy f#%cked.

I’m anything but support the team and not the regime brigade, but what I am is a realist.

Your alternative to the Saudis is another long period of Ownership under Ashley unfortunately.

Is Si not allowed to have principles without having to roll out his alternative manifesto like?

Just curious what these stops are, he said he was idealistic not naive.

I would say he’s both to be honest.

But nothing wrong with being idealistic I agree.

Official rejection next Friday 3.00pm

 

MA to announce 8 year deal for Bruce

 

Some on here would take that rather than be taken over by the Saudis.

f*** off.

? 

Here we go again. Back and forth between members until the Sunday rags come up with some new lie.

There's a path through this that is anti Ashley and anti Saudi that gets us through the other side with some integrity. The soul of the club is as important as the success of the club. If you don't believe that then what are we doing?

 

What path is that then?

Fight Ashley, protest against Saudi involvement in the club. Protect the soul of NUFC.

 

You all keep saying we are special but have  rolled over and stuck your legs in the air for the first billionaire that's got a chance of prising us from Ashley's grip. We are special we should be fighting to remain so. If we don't then what's the point?

 

Yes lets have a mock funeral and not eat the pies at half time and oh ....

There is no soul left to preserve 13 years of Ashley proved that .

Then what's the point?

 

What's your answer then? Fan ownership?

There's a plenty of stops between being Saudi or Ashley owned. I'm idealistic not naïve, I want someone with ambition that cares that doesn't have blood on their hands. Is it realistic probably not but does it mean we shouldn't fight for it f*** no.

Where have these stops been the last 13 years you talk about ?

Official rejection next Friday 3.00pm

 

MA to announce 8 year deal for Bruce

Some on here would take that rather than be taken over by the Saudis.

Would be interesting to see a poll on how many would prefer the Saudi state vs potential American owners.

Maybe in your own world, wouldn’t take a genius to know what the result to be.