No that's very fair & oddly enough im not looking for an argument, im simply making the observation we are no. where near a Man City, liverpool, Man Utd, arsenal etc side, we are as facts prove a very average team, we have zero depth, zero scope (1st 11 aside) from being a trophy / league winning team, that's fine we are what we are but 96% of people on here & other forums wont accept that, we are a poor team save for a fully fit 1st 11, we cannot & will not compete against the top teams & were also many many years away from challenging them, but most wont accept that, Meh