Damage Derby mess has done ?

[Dave]

So how do we change it Baggio? The window is shut, we have injuries throughout the squad and we're stuck with what we've got. The only thing we can do aside from sacking the bloke is display some patience and give him some time. That's all those defending the cause are saying imo.

[Guest Pie]

So you've not been impressed then Baggio, I think we all get that. What is your point then, do you think we should be looking to replace the manager?

 

Not at all, but what we've been served up so far has been poor and an improvement is needed.

 

His tactics have been poor, his formation is all over the place and he made an error in the transfer market by going for graft instead of pace or creativity, this isn't a knee jerk reaction, this is plainly obvious to anyone who's seen us this season who hasn't got their head in the sand.

 

 

 

Hits the nail on the head. Said it for a long time, we have no pace to stretch or press teams on or off the ball. We have no creativity other than a fairly predictable lofted ball from Milner or an equally erratic but far better delivery from N'Zogbia.

Basically the personnel in key positions aren't good enough to break down teams like Derby away. Worse still when Derby didn't sit with 10 men behind the ball. Tyrone Mears had Milner in his pocket. Says it all. Get rid of the spotty pleb.

Similarly, we have decent players out of position etc.

 

[Cajun]

N'Zogbia    Barton    Geremi    Milner

 

 

 

Is it really that hard to see we would be 100x more effective with that in midfield compared to what we have seen so far this season? Maybe its just me but it seems so obvious even the biggest retard would figure it out eventually.

[Thespence]

We are missing our only two real creative centre mids, is it any surprise that we have at times struggled to create?

 

I thought Milner was our most creative player?

 

He was after all once the 7th (seventh) most creative player in the Prem going by assists

 

Is he playing in the centre or is it just you can't read?

 

You talk about the teams lack of creativity & he is in the team.

 

 

 

My mistake

 

How silly of me.

 

[Cajun]

So you've not been impressed then Baggio, I think we all get that. What is your point then, do you think we should be looking to replace the manager?

 

Not at all, but what we've been served up so far has been poor and an improvement is needed.

 

His tactics have been poor, his formation is all over the place and he made an error in the transfer market by going for graft instead of pace or creativity, this isn't a knee jerk reaction, this is plainly obvious to anyone who's seen us this season who hasn't got their head in the sand.

 

 

 

Hits the nail on the head. Said it for a long time, we have no pace to stretch or press teams on or off the ball. We have no creativity other than a fairly predictable lofted ball from Milner or an equally erratic but far better delivery from N'Zogbia.

Basically the personnel in key positions aren't good enough to break down teams like Derby away. Worse still when Derby didn't sit with 10 men behind the ball. Tyrone Mears had Milner in his pocket. Says it all. Get rid of the spotty pleb.

Similarly, we have decent players out of position etc.

 

 

The same Milner who absolutey raped Ferreria when we played Chelsea? But I suppose Mears is the better player after all.

[Cajun]

We are missing our only two real creative centre mids, is it any surprise that we have at times struggled to create?

 

I thought Milner was our most creative player?

 

He was after all once the 7th (seventh) most creative player in the Prem going by assists

 

Is he playing in the centre or is it just you can't read?

 

You talk about the teams lack of creativity & he is in the team.

 

 

 

My mistake

 

How silly of me.

 

 

Sums it up for me basically, you read what you want to see and fail to actually realise what has been said.

 

Well done

[ChezGiven]

Rewind 12 months and it was all about how weak the side was at the back, how someone needed to overhaul the club, build a team based on solid defensive foundations, get rid of the wasters etc. It seems this part of the job was the focus over the summer and he was rightly applauded for that. There is absolutely no argument that we need more creativity in midfield and i'm sure he will address that. It does take time to build a new team.

[Cajun]

Rewind 12 months and it was all about how weak the side was at the back, how someone needed to overhaul the club, build a team based on solid defensive foundations, get rid of the wasters etc. It seems this part of the job was the focus over the summer and he was rightly applauded for that. There is absolutely no argument that we need more creativity in midfield and i'm sure he will address that. It does take time to build a new team.

 

Exactly.

[Guest Pie]

So how do we change it Baggio? The window is shut, we have injuries throughout the squad and we're stuck with what we've got. The only thing we can do aside from sacking the bloke is display some patience and give him some time. That's all those defending the cause are saying imo.

The players he had at Derby could have been better deployed.

Geremi on the right and Smith in the middle would have had a better balance and put pressure on Griffin. Particularly with Beye behind him, who is a specialist right back unlike Steven Taylor who seemed intent on simply wandering around with his left arm pointed infield when he fucked up. Not for the first time.

He could have played Faye at left back and N'Zogbia further forward, at least he can deliver the ball earlier than Milner. About ten minutes earlier given the speed spotty checks back and hoofs it into a random area.

Irrespective of personnel, we could have been more positive. Worrying about teams like Derby is daft.

[Guest Pie]

So you've not been impressed then Baggio, I think we all get that. What is your point then, do you think we should be looking to replace the manager?

 

Not at all, but what we've been served up so far has been poor and an improvement is needed.

 

His tactics have been poor, his formation is all over the place and he made an error in the transfer market by going for graft instead of pace or creativity, this isn't a knee jerk reaction, this is plainly obvious to anyone who's seen us this season who hasn't got their head in the sand.

 

 

 

Hits the nail on the head. Said it for a long time, we have no pace to stretch or press teams on or off the ball. We have no creativity other than a fairly predictable lofted ball from Milner or an equally erratic but far better delivery from N'Zogbia.

Basically the personnel in key positions aren't good enough to break down teams like Derby away. Worse still when Derby didn't sit with 10 men behind the ball. Tyrone Mears had Milner in his pocket. Says it all. Get rid of the spotty pleb.

Similarly, we have decent players out of position etc.

 

 

The same Milner who absolutey raped Ferreria when we played Chelsea? But I suppose Mears is the better player after all.

Score in that game? Where is this Ferreria playing nowadays?

[Cajun]

No he didn't score, still doesn't change the fact he played so well against him Ferreira was replaced. He is still at Chelsea, you know that team who will be challenging for the title again this season.

 

Not the first time Milner has given a right back from a top team the run about either, seem to remember ManU having a bad time with him in a game which he did score in. Probably wont remember that goal though, hurts too much I would imagine.

[Baggio]

So how do we change it Baggio? The window is shut, we have injuries throughout the squad and we're stuck with what we've got. The only thing we can do aside from sacking the bloke is display some patience and give him some time. That's all those defending the cause are saying imo.

 

He's got to pick a formation and stick to it, his problem has been he's bought players with a 4-3-3 formation in mind yet now it's come to the crunch he hasn't got the balls to drop Owen, who is without doubt our best striker but similar to Shevchenko he can't be accommodated in a 4-3-3 formation unless we keep the ball on the ground, which isn't his style.

 

Bringing pace into the team in January is a must, if he fails to do that then it'll cost him his job come the end of the season as we're far too predictable without it.

[Howaythelads]

N'Zogbia    Barton    Geremi    Milner

 

 

 

Is it really that hard to see we would be 100x more effective with that in midfield compared to what we have seen so far this season? Maybe its just me but it seems so obvious even the biggest retard would figure it out eventually.

 

How about :

 

Geremi Barton Emre Zog (or Duff, when fit)

Or

Duff Barton Geremi Zog

 

Both look a lot better to me, with flair, creativity and a bit of steel.

[Thespence]

Rewind 12 months and it was all about how weak the side was at the back, how someone needed to overhaul the club, build a team based on solid defensive foundations, get rid of the wasters etc. It seems this part of the job was the focus over the summer and he was rightly applauded for that. There is absolutely no argument that we need more creativity in midfield and i'm sure he will address that. It does take time to build a new team.

 

The strange thing is Chez I think he thought he had the answer for midfield when he signed Barton, Smith & Geremi.

 

As for 12 months ago, some people say Nicky Butt is our best DM, Emre, Milner & Charles are creative players we need in midfield.

[Cajun]

N'Zogbia    Barton    Geremi     Milner

 

 

 

Is it really that hard to see we would be 100x more effective with that in midfield compared to what we have seen so far this season? Maybe its just me but it seems so obvious even the biggest retard would figure it out eventually.

 

How about :

 

Geremi Barton Emre Zog (or Duff, when fit)

Or

Duff Barton Geremi Zog

 

Both look a lot better to me, with flair, creativity and a bit of steel.

 

You know I wouldn't drop Milner although seriously I don't think Geremi would offer any more on the right than Milner would.

 

That said both line ups look far more creative than what we have had to offer so far this season. People seem to be completely missing this point though.

[Baggio]

Rewind 12 months and it was all about how weak the side was at the back, how someone needed to overhaul the club, build a team based on solid defensive foundations, get rid of the wasters etc. It seems this part of the job was the focus over the summer and he was rightly applauded for that. There is absolutely no argument that we need more creativity in midfield and i'm sure he will address that. It does take time to build a new team.

 

You're missing the bit where he went out and signed Smith, Faye, Geremi and Barton, ok Barton has been injured but the other 3 have been played in midfield since joining the club. Were they viewed as short term signings or are we going to add even more midfielders to the 4 he's brought in to try and get some creativity in?

 

Why was Dyer replaced by an inferior player in Smith who offers none of the attributes we should be looking for from a midfield man?

 

Why was Solano allowed to leave without a proper replacement coming in?

 

Allardyce has come in and sorted the defence out which is a credit to him, the problem we have now is he's gone to the other extreme in that the midfield players he has brought in are going to create very little, while letting more creative players leave.

[Howaythelads]

Smith isn't a midfield player. FS is making a mistake by selecting him to play in that area. Same as Taylor is not a RB and Ameobi is not a footballer.

[Howaythelads]

N'Zogbia    Barton    Geremi    Milner

 

 

 

Is it really that hard to see we would be 100x more effective with that in midfield compared to what we have seen so far this season? Maybe its just me but it seems so obvious even the biggest retard would figure it out eventually.

 

How about :

 

Geremi Barton Emre Zog (or Duff, when fit)

Or

Duff Barton Geremi Zog

 

Both look a lot better to me, with flair, creativity and a bit of steel.

 

You know I wouldn't drop Milner although seriously I don't think Geremi would offer any more on the right than Milner would.

 

That said both line ups look far more creative than what we have had to offer so far this season. People seem to be completely missing this point though.

 

Geremi just a better all round footballer than Milner though, Jon. But in any case, you're right in that the midfield 4 you put forward looks better than the dross put out by FS.

[Guest]

N'Zogbia    Barton    Geremi     Milner

 

 

 

Is it really that hard to see we would be 100x more effective with that in midfield compared to what we have seen so far this season? Maybe its just me but it seems so obvious even the biggest retard would figure it out eventually.

 

On Monday he could have played

 

N'ZOGBIA - BUTT - GEREMI - MILNER

 

TAYLOR - ROZEHNAL - CACAPA - BEYE

 

which would have been a lot more creative than what we had on Monday.

[Howaythelads]

N'Zogbia    Barton    Geremi    Milner

 

 

 

Is it really that hard to see we would be 100x more effective with that in midfield compared to what we have seen so far this season? Maybe its just me but it seems so obvious even the biggest retard would figure it out eventually.

 

On Monday he could have played

 

N'ZOGBIA - BUTT - GEREMI - MILNER

 

TAYLOR - ROZEHNAL - CACAPA - BEYE

 

which would have been a lot more creative than what we had on Monday.

 

The team I proposed before the match on Monday would definitely have been better than the one put out by FS.

[Baggio]

No he didn't score, still doesn't change the fact he played so well against him Ferreira was replaced. He is still at Chelsea, you know that team who will be challenging for the title again this season.

 

Not the first time Milner has given a right back from a top team the run about either, seem to remember ManU having a bad time with him in a game which he did score in. Probably wont remember that goal though, hurts too much I would imagine.

 

I remember Parker having a few decent games against the top teams, Arsenal and Liverpool spring to mind, I also remember people trying to use that as an example of him being a top player which he clearly wasn't.

 

Milner, similar to Parker, doesn't offer nowhere near enough for a player playing in his position, it's not just about goals and assists either, it's about what they give to the team over the course of 90 minutes and apart from his lofted crosses Milner offers very little compared with other wingers that our rivals for a European place have.

[Baggio]

Smith isn't a midfield player. FS is making a mistake by selecting him to play in that area. Same as Taylor is not a RB and Ameobi is not a footballer.

 

He was signed as a versatile player who Allardyce see's as being able to play in midfield, as Dyer's replacement.

[Howaythelads]

Smith isn't a midfield player. FS is making a mistake by selecting him to play in that area. Same as Taylor is not a RB and Ameobi is not a footballer.

 

He was signed as a versatile player who Allardyce see's as being able to play in midfield, as Dyer's replacement.

 

Is that really a reply to my comment? I know FS thinks he can play in midfield because surprise surprise, he's selecting him there. What a tit.

[Howaythelads]

No he didn't score, still doesn't change the fact he played so well against him Ferreira was replaced. He is still at Chelsea, you know that team who will be challenging for the title again this season.

 

Not the first time Milner has given a right back from a top team the run about either, seem to remember ManU having a bad time with him in a game which he did score in. Probably wont remember that goal though, hurts too much I would imagine.

 

I remember Parker having a few decent games against the top teams, Arsenal and Liverpool spring to mind, I also remember people trying to use that as an example of him being a top player which he clearly wasn't.

 

Milner, similar to Parker, doesn't offer nowhere near enough for a player playing in his position, it's not just about goals and assists either, it's about what they give to the team over the course of 90 minutes and apart from his lofted crosses Milner offers very little compared with other wingers that our rivals for a European place have.

 

Agreed. Good example as well. Before Parka there was Jenas. Young player of the Year and all that so he has to be the dogs bollocks. Parka and Jenas both shite, Milner not as bad but definitely over-rated.

[Dave]

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