Ericz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 i wonder why people getting back on smith for being booed? he is old guy isn't it? if he getting booed he must manage that... he is not a children anymore... who need getting full support... he must answer his own critics with his own play... if he's getting his head down because getting booed he doesn't have the mentality to be newcastle player whatsoever. Boo is just small critics... thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter for low mentality people... that which come up in their head... for sure good grief does supporting the team have any effect on the players ? fans does support the team... they came up to stadium to watch them right? it already supporting... but if the player keep playing s**** week in and week out... does he not feel he is letting down the fans who come to support him at first place. on smith case he isn't help himself already by permanently poor playing over and over again. he doesn't look improve either from what he is.. no one denies that but is booing him onto the pitch going to aid him or his teammates ? In another crude fashion, if he still does not pull up his socks over a series of matches after being encouraged or tolerated... booing Smith onto the pitch and getting Smith's teammates turning against him, blaming it on him, forcing him to leave in the process... why not? His teammates know who the fans are booing at and if it's not them.. they will be more than relieved. Duff has a fantastic pre-season... and look... fans are more than willing to embrace him again. f***ing hell So booing him makes his team mates turn against him forcing him to leave.... You couldn't make it up It's human psychology, isn't it? Would you hate to go to school or work, if all (if not most) of your classmates or colleagues turn against you in school or at work? Peer pressure is sometimes a very good weapon... the same with attacking/playing with a human being's mind. It's harsh, it is cruel... but that's how it is in real world today. The world is not a bed of roses or a fairy tale if you imagine it to be one. The fittest survive. I am mostly advocating a pragmatic perspective to most matters instead of a morally correct view or a sympathetic view etc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 one good reason to boo smith is his fouls caused us to lose the fair play league. if the pc brigade in this thread are so offended by fans showing their displeasure, then they should persuade the club to set up an internet voting system for each players performance after each match. otherwise STFU and realise its about the only way that players can be told whata cancer they are in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 It's human psychology, isn't it? Would you hate to go to school or work, if all (if not most) of your classmates or colleagues turn against you in school or at work? Peer pressure is sometimes a very good weapon... the same with attacking/playing with a human being's mind. It's harsh, it is cruel... but that's how it is in real world today. The world is not a bed of roses or a fairy tale if you imagine it to be one. The fittest survive. I am mostly advocating a pragmatic perspective to most matters instead of a morally correct view or a sympathetic view etc... I'm not sure if that warrants a serious reply but....do you think his team mates will turn on him because some frustrated teenagers boo him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealios Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 one good reason to boo smith is his fouls caused us to lose the fair play league. if the pc brigade in this thread are so offended by fans showing their displeasure, then they should persuade the club to set up an internet voting system for each players performance after each match. otherwise STFU and realise its about the only way that players can be told whata cancer they are in the team. You absolute cretin. Nobody is offended by booing. The point is that some people realise that booing a player causes a negative atmosphere at a home game, even if you are not the player concerned. It therefore affects the team as a whole in a BAD way. Joey Barton got slammed last season for coming out and saying that the stick that Allardyce got last year affected the team as a whole. Allardyce was being booed, but it created a hostile, unsupportive atmosphere, and in that atmosphere it affects confidence and you might be less inclined to try and pick out and attacking pass, choosing instead to pick the safe option and pass it sideways. Its just human nature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 It's human psychology, isn't it? Would you hate to go to school or work, if all (if not most) of your classmates or colleagues turn against you in school or at work? Peer pressure is sometimes a very good weapon... the same with attacking/playing with a human being's mind. It's harsh, it is cruel... but that's how it is in real world today. The world is not a bed of roses or a fairy tale if you imagine it to be one. The fittest survive. I am mostly advocating a pragmatic perspective to most matters instead of a morally correct view or a sympathetic view etc... I'm not sure if that warrants a serious reply but....do you think his team mates will turn on him because some frustrated teenagers boo him? Foremost, I do not think that it is merely some frustrated teenagers that booed him. Secondly, while it would certainly be a very bold statement to say that all his team mates will turn on him, I would prefer to say that there will definitely be some team mates that will turn on him. To be honest, for myself, I do not like to be with incompetence in the same team. Either they improve (show their value) or they get out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 one good reason to boo smith is his fouls caused us to lose the fair play league. if the pc brigade in this thread are so offended by fans showing their displeasure, then they should persuade the club to set up an internet voting system for each players performance after each match. otherwise STFU and realise its about the only way that players can be told whata cancer they are in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Just because he couldn't score doesn't mean he hasn't been trying to. He doesn't even attempt to score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Just because he couldn't score doesn't mean he hasn't been trying to. He doesn't even attempt to score. He doesn't even want to score. He barely wants to live. etc etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Foremost, I do not think that it is merely some frustrated teenagers that booed him. Secondly, while it would certainly be a very bold statement to say that all his team mates will turn on him, I would prefer to say that there will definitely be some team mates that will turn on him. To be honest, for myself, I do not like to be with incompetence in the same team. Either they improve (show their value) or they get out. I'll be amazed if any of the players are moronic enough to turn on a mate because people boo him, I'd expect the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 This argument to boo or not to boo can go on endlessly without a right or wrong answer. Everyone has made up their minds and dare I say is not ready to be convinvced otherwise. Those who dont want to boo dont have to, and those who want to boo can boo and risk looing silly in the process. Can't we just leave it at that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 one good reason to boo smith is his fouls caused us to lose the fair play league. if the pc brigade in this thread are so offended by fans showing their displeasure, then they should persuade the club to set up an internet voting system for each players performance after each match. otherwise STFU and realise its about the only way that players can be told whata cancer they are in the team. this one is bang out of order.. boo yes... calling them cancer no.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 He doesn't even attempt to score. I think he does try but he's not capable of getting a shot on target for some reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 He doesn't even attempt to score. I think he does try but he's not capable of getting a shot on target for some reason. A number of times in pre-season he had clear openings and opted to pass. Usually to the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Foremost, I do not think that it is merely some frustrated teenagers that booed him. Secondly, while it would certainly be a very bold statement to say that all his team mates will turn on him, I would prefer to say that there will definitely be some team mates that will turn on him. To be honest, for myself, I do not like to be with incompetence in the same team. Either they improve (show their value) or they get out. I'll be amazed if any of the players are moronic enough to turn on a mate because people boo him, I'd expect the opposite. You are entitled to your views for that. I, on the other hand, do not think that it is moronic. I would just think that players are not that kind enough to tolerate another player who is grossly incompetent and is a burden to the whole team. Surely and fairly everybody deserves a chance to improve and prove otherwise, however there is a limit to tolerance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 You are entitled to your views for that. I, on the other hand, do not think that it is moronic. I would just think that players are not that kind enough to tolerate another player who is grossly incompetent and is a burden to the whole team. Surely and fairly everybody deserves a chance to improve and prove otherwise, however there is a limit to tolerance. I've got less of a problem with those who boo after a poor performance, booing before a poor performance is just daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Foremost, I do not think that it is merely some frustrated teenagers that booed him. Secondly, while it would certainly be a very bold statement to say that all his team mates will turn on him, I would prefer to say that there will definitely be some team mates that will turn on him. To be honest, for myself, I do not like to be with incompetence in the same team. Either they improve (show their value) or they get out. I'll be amazed if any of the players are moronic enough to turn on a mate because people boo him, I'd expect the opposite. You are entitled to your views for that. I, on the other hand, do not think that it is moronic. I would just think that players are not that kind enough to tolerate another player who is grossly incompetent and is a burden to the whole team. Surely and fairly everybody deserves a chance to improve and prove otherwise, however there is a limit to tolerance. The tolerance limit to your posts has been reached. You are a grossly incompetent poster and a burden to this forum. We shall now turn on you and force you to delete your account and move to Toontastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 The tolerance limit to your posts has been reached. You are a grossly incompetent poster and a burden to this forum. We shall now turn on you and force you to delete your account and move to Toontastic. Hahahaha that is very interesting. To be honest, I am not that old and could be about the same age as the majority of the members here. However, my area of studies and occassional attachments opened my eyes to the harsher realities of the world. Henceforth, for my often pragmatic (blunt/harsh) perspectives. In any case, there would be no value added if I were to approve to all the moral-based, sympathy-based arguments etc that is on here. With regards to Smith's issue, what is right and what is wrong? It is subjective, isn't it? Besides, booing has been a continuing and growing trend for the past decade. A law could be enacted to stop people from booing and penalties such as fines. However, is it desirable? On the contrary, if there is no express statement from the law or from the management (FIFA, EPL, Newcastle United Football Club etc), could it be that it is implied to be acceptable? See... again, there's lots of room for discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealios Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 At first I thought it was a wind up. But apparently there are some people who actually believe that if you boo a player, the rest of the team will turn against him! Un - fucking - believable! IT has happened so many times with NUFC and other clubs, if a player is having a rough time and the crowd is on his back, if he manages to get a goal the rest of the team rally round him. If the unthinkable happens and Smith gets a goal, just watch the reaction of the rest of the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealios Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 The tolerance limit to your posts has been reached. You are a grossly incompetent poster and a burden to this forum. We shall now turn on you and force you to delete your account and move to Toontastic. Hahahaha that is very interesting. To be honest, I am not that old and could be about the same age as the majority of the members here. However, my area of studies and occassional attachments opened my eyes to the harsher realities of the world. Henceforth, for my often pragmatic (blunt/harsh) perspectives. In any case, there would be no value added if I were to approve to all the moral-based, sympathy-based arguments etc that is on here. Jesus you talk some shit. I'm sure most of the posters on this board realise its "a hard world", but thank you for communicating that to those who don't. I think you might find that the all of our "moral based sympath based arguments" are not because we are worried that poor Alan might feel bad, but because as supporters by definition we have a common goal of Newcastle United Football Club performing well. If our manager deems it fitting to put said Alan on the pitch, then Newcastle United Football Club will not perform better by booing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest s0ftcore Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I don't think the players would be too happy if Smith puts the ball past Given Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 "However, my area of studies and occassional attachments opened my eyes to the harsher realities of the world." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 At first I thought it was a wind up. But apparently there are some people who actually believe that if you boo a player, the rest of the team will turn against him! Un - f***ing - believable! IT has happened so many times with NUFC and other clubs, if a player is having a rough time and the crowd is on his back, if he manages to get a goal the rest of the team rally round him. If the unthinkable happens and Smith gets a goal, just watch the reaction of the rest of the team. Perhaps I may be too cynical about human beings, however I honestly do not think that the heart of a human being is portrayed by his actions. On the surface, they may want to create a certain image but deep down, that may not be the case. It is not difficult to appear neutral to a person, or be good to a person, yet at the same time, isolate the person using other means. If he manages to get a goal, the team rally around him... but does that not mean that Smith has indeed make a point to prove himself otherwise contrary to his incompetence image, hence it is a form of acknowledgment from the team and the fans. Of course, that same level of competent must be continued over a series of matches, otherwise, the booing may just return. Also, could it not be the team and the fans cheering for the goal and not for Smith himself? It does have a difference, doesn't it? Last but not least, I think it is a bold statement to state that the rest of the team will turn against him, it is safer to state that some will turn against him or isolate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 The tolerance limit to your posts has been reached. You are a grossly incompetent poster and a burden to this forum. We shall now turn on you and force you to delete your account and move to Toontastic. Hahahaha that is very interesting. To be honest, I am not that old and could be about the same age as the majority of the members here. However, my area of studies and occassional attachments opened my eyes to the harsher realities of the world. Henceforth, for my often pragmatic (blunt/harsh) perspectives. In any case, there would be no value added if I were to approve to all the moral-based, sympathy-based arguments etc that is on here. ... as supporters by definition we have a common goal of Newcastle United Football Club performing well. If our manager deems it fitting to put said Alan on the pitch, then Newcastle United Football Club will not perform better by booing. Indeed, by definition, we do have a common goal of Newcastle United Football Club performing well. But who is to say that Newcastle United Football Club will fare worse from the booing? And who is to say that fans have no rights to booing? Even when we read the news, occasionally, managers have spoken out that fans is correct to feel disappointed and correct in booing. Additionally, there is no explicit law or directions from the world governing body or the various managements stating that booing is not allowed. Love it or hate it, booing has been a growing trend for the decade and is part of the modern game. Big successful clubs have it too (Real Madrid, Barcelona etc) but they do eventually reward their supporters with success. Is that not a very good precedent? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest tonycunningham Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 He barely wants to live. He's got 63,000 reasons to want to live every single WEEK . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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