Baggio Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Allardyce spent £18 million on Barton, Enrique and Smith yet people still wish he had more money to spend? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Howay man Leazes, it's more akin to selling Woodgate and saying that was 'good business'. Selling woodgate probably was, in view of his fitness record and future prospects. I didn't say that if we hadn't got him back it wouldn't have been a good deal by the way, now he appears to have got over his problems. Its the comments and apparent attitude coming out of the club which I'm commenting on, along with the abysmal dealings of last summer to compound the comments at the time. Yeah I know what you're arguing but you can't compare last summer to the time under McKeag and Lord Westwood etc. I think they were right to be cautious when you consider Allardyce wasn't the new regime's choice and even more so when you look at what Allardyce bought when he was given (still not inconsiderable) funds. If they're cautious this summer, presuming we stay up, then the criticism would be a valid one imo. Mort comes across as being a cautious type, he's a bean counter and doesn't know anything about football. He's also Ashleys mouthpiece Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I also don't think he has much say in major decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I also don't think he has much say in major decisions. Which is why Ashley is now owner of Newcastle Utd. If Mort the bean counter had counted the beans I don't think we'd have had a new owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Slight difference between a plc and one man owning it privately tbf, although I take it you're saying the major shareholder should take the blame for the bad decisions and chairman should get the credit for the funds given to the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Why did you delete your post, NE5? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Mort is a lawyer, not a bean counter. Ashley is to Mort what Hall was to Shepherd, is that what we're saying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I also don't think he has much say in major decisions. Which is why Ashley is now owner of Newcastle Utd. If Mort the bean counter had counted the beans I don't think we'd have had a new owner. if Mort had been the bean counter, and we'd bought players like Geremi and assorted free transfers over the years, we may well have been relegated. Bloody hell, we are in a relegation fight and may end up back to where the Halls and Shepherd rescued us from, as soon as they have gone. Fancy that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Why didn't you mention it earlier? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think Shepherd took most of the beans with him. Maybe hw wanted some to go with the pies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 Mort is a lawyer, not a bean counter. Ashley is to Mort what Hall was to Shepherd, is that what we're saying? aye, he's a lawyer, attempting to be a bean counter, and even worse, attempting to give the impression he knows how football works. Ashley is to Mort what Hall was to Shepherd, indeed. I deleted my post but you have phrased it quite nicely mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think Shepherd took most of the beans with him. Maybe hw wanted some to go with the pies It would appear he also took some league points with him too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think Shepherd took most of the beans with him. Maybe hw wanted some to go with the pies It would appear he also took some league points with him too. He should have shared some with his mate Souness. Some league points and some beans and maybe the two of them wouldn't have found it necessary to boot your idol, Bellamy right out of Newcastle. What a can of beans they made out of that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think Shepherd took most of the beans with him. Maybe hw wanted some to go with the pies It would appear he also took some league points with him too. He should have shared some with his mate Souness. Some league points and some beans and maybe the two of them wouldn't have found it necessary to boot your idol, Bellamy right out of Newcastle. What a can of beans they made out of that one. I see. It escapes your attention that the fat bastard and his mate Bobby also brought my idol, Bellamy, into the club too. Most unlike you to pick out what suits your opinion and discard the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I don't understand your arguement NE5. It seems the club spent the same amount in the summer that it has spent on average over the past 5 years. I was happy with Allardyce and you were very happy yet Sam did buy some crap, you have to admit that, i have! He spent £12m in Barton and Smith. Barton i STILL hold out hope for, Smith is rubbish. Enrique wasn't cheap either. You said there is never a bad time to sack a bad manager. The Board didn't believe in Sam so they sacked him. They appointed KK, which you're happy with, he tried to sign Woodie (for £8m - not cheap) but he wouldn't come. I think KK didn't sign anyone else because of 2 things, he's been out of the game and didn't know who to sign and the players he did know and want wouldn't come. IMO, the club shouldn't have sacked Sam at that time, and if they were going to, they shouldn't have appointed KK because it's a tall order to expect him to come in after 3 years out and make good purchases. All this seems clear and logical to me. What am i missing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think Shepherd took most of the beans with him. Maybe hw wanted some to go with the pies It would appear he also took some league points with him too. He should have shared some with his mate Souness. Some league points and some beans and maybe the two of them wouldn't have found it necessary to boot your idol, Bellamy right out of Newcastle. What a can of beans they made out of that one. I see. It escapes your attention that the fat bastard and his mate Bobby also brought my idol, Bellamy, into the club too. Most unlike you to pick out what suits your opinion and discard the rest. You missed out the bit about Fat Bastard sacking Robson and bringing in Souness to specifically instil discipline. Which he did by booting Bellamy up the arse and out of Newcastle with Fat Bastard's absolute and unequivocal backing. http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:B-XTExGbauyugM:http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/bgr/lowres/bgrn550l.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think Shepherd took most of the beans with him. Maybe hw wanted some to go with the pies It would appear he also took some league points with him too. He should have shared some with his mate Souness. Some league points and some beans and maybe the two of them wouldn't have found it necessary to boot your idol, Bellamy right out of Newcastle. What a can of beans they made out of that one. I see. It escapes your attention that the fat b****** and his mate Bobby also brought my idol, Bellamy, into the club too. Most unlike you to pick out what suits your opinion and discard the rest. Well then, that makes it perfectly justifiable to sell him then. He did buy him after all. What a silly argument. That about sums up all your other arguments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think Shepherd took most of the beans with him. Maybe hw wanted some to go with the pies It would appear he also took some league points with him too. He should have shared some with his mate Souness. Some league points and some beans and maybe the two of them wouldn't have found it necessary to boot your idol, Bellamy right out of Newcastle. What a can of beans they made out of that one. I see. It escapes your attention that the fat b****** and his mate Bobby also brought my idol, Bellamy, into the club too. Most unlike you to pick out what suits your opinion and discard the rest. Well then, that makes it perfectly justifiable to sell him then. He did buy him after all. What a silly argument. That about sums up all your other arguments. oh dear. Have you decided whether or not you advocate spending money on quality footballers or not yet, ref your dramatic u-turn ? Or do you have any consistent view of anything that you find yourself able to stick to that doesn't involve personalities ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think Shepherd took most of the beans with him. Maybe hw wanted some to go with the pies It would appear he also took some league points with him too. He should have shared some with his mate Souness. Some league points and some beans and maybe the two of them wouldn't have found it necessary to boot your idol, Bellamy right out of Newcastle. What a can of beans they made out of that one. I see. It escapes your attention that the fat b****** and his mate Bobby also brought my idol, Bellamy, into the club too. Most unlike you to pick out what suits your opinion and discard the rest. Well then, that makes it perfectly justifiable to sell him then. He did buy him after all. What a silly argument. That about sums up all your other arguments. oh dear. Have you decided whether or not you advocate spending money on quality footballers or not yet, ref your dramatic u-turn ? Or do you have any consistent view of anything that you find yourself able to stick to that doesn't involve personalities ? mackems.gif Well said! Really addressed the point there, bravo! Personalities have nothing to do with my judgment, in fact, i say the same things over and over again, ive supported all of Shephards decsions, but at the end of the day wen push came to shove, the last 10 years are irrelavant to the current state of the club, you cant seem to accepth that. I dont know why, i accept that he was part of the great revival of the club, and i understand he brought some good times to this club, but 4 years, thats right, 4 whole years after his best achievement the club is in no better situation than the one he took over. What other business would accept that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think Shepherd took most of the beans with him. Maybe hw wanted some to go with the pies It would appear he also took some league points with him too. He should have shared some with his mate Souness. Some league points and some beans and maybe the two of them wouldn't have found it necessary to boot your idol, Bellamy right out of Newcastle. What a can of beans they made out of that one. I see. It escapes your attention that the fat b****** and his mate Bobby also brought my idol, Bellamy, into the club too. Most unlike you to pick out what suits your opinion and discard the rest. Well then, that makes it perfectly justifiable to sell him then. He did buy him after all. What a silly argument. That about sums up all your other arguments. oh dear. Have you decided whether or not you advocate spending money on quality footballers or not yet, ref your dramatic u-turn ? Or do you have any consistent view of anything that you find yourself able to stick to that doesn't involve personalities ? mackems.gif Well said! Really addressed the point there, bravo! Personalities have nothing to do with my judgment, in fact, i say the same things over and over again, ive supported all of Shephards decsions, but at the end of the day wen push came to shove, the last 10 years are irrelavant to the current state of the club, you cant seem to accepth that. I dont know why, i accept that he was part of the great revival of the club, and i understand he brought some good times to this club, but 4 years, thats right, 4 whole years after his best achievement the club is in no better situation than the one he took over. What other business would accept that? your poor grammar and spelling says everything I'm afraid. Not to mention that you - and you aren't the only one - who STILL thinks that Shepherd ran the whole club all on his own despite the Halls being the majority shareholders. Do you also think that Mort runs the whole club and makes all the decisions on his own too mackems.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJbarnes Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 havent read any of this thread but ashley and mort have never run a football club before, and as such are doing a damn good job i think. even footballing people are going to make mistakes when you are given a new job, but chris mort's gone from being a lawyer to runing one of the biggest football clubs in the world. frankly im just happy not to have fat fred. lets judge mor tand ashley when theyve been doing it a few years, theyll have made mistakes and hopefully learnt from them. the difference is mort and ashley know how to run a business and are learning how to run a football club shepherd doesnt even know how to run a car probably Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 havent read any of this thread but ashley and mort have never run a football club before, and as such are doing a damn good job i think. even footballing people are going to make mistakes when you are given a new job, but chris mort's gone from being a lawyer to runing one of the biggest football clubs in the world. frankly im just happy not to have fat fred. lets judge mor tand ashley when theyve been doing it a few years, theyll have made mistakes and hopefully learnt from them. the difference is mort and ashley know how to run a business and are learning how to run a football club shepherd doesnt even know how to run a car probably silly from start to finish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think Shepherd took most of the beans with him. Maybe hw wanted some to go with the pies It would appear he also took some league points with him too. He should have shared some with his mate Souness. Some league points and some beans and maybe the two of them wouldn't have found it necessary to boot your idol, Bellamy right out of Newcastle. What a can of beans they made out of that one. I see. It escapes your attention that the fat b****** and his mate Bobby also brought my idol, Bellamy, into the club too. Most unlike you to pick out what suits your opinion and discard the rest. Well then, that makes it perfectly justifiable to sell him then. He did buy him after all. What a silly argument. That about sums up all your other arguments. oh dear. Have you decided whether or not you advocate spending money on quality footballers or not yet, ref your dramatic u-turn ? Or do you have any consistent view of anything that you find yourself able to stick to that doesn't involve personalities ? mackems.gif Well said! Really addressed the point there, bravo! Personalities have nothing to do with my judgment, in fact, i say the same things over and over again, ive supported all of Shephards decsions, but at the end of the day wen push came to shove, the last 10 years are irrelavant to the current state of the club, you cant seem to accepth that. I dont know why, i accept that he was part of the great revival of the club, and i understand he brought some good times to this club, but 4 years, thats right, 4 whole years after his best achievement the club is in no better situation than the one he took over. What other business would accept that? your poor grammar and spelling says everything I'm afraid. Not to mention that you - and you aren't the only one - who STILL thinks that Shepherd ran the whole club all on his own despite the Halls being the majority shareholders. Do you also think that Mort runs the whole club and makes all the decisions on his own too mackems.gif What a stupid little comment to make. I cant believe you're that desperate to score points that you would look at someones english, what a pathetic little man you are. You should really take a look at what you've just put, its an embaressing statement to make, what are you, 53 years of age? You should really take a look at yourself if you think that that is an acceptable or appropriate comment to make. And for what its worth, im aware that Shephard doesnt run the club on his own, but it also needs to be said that as the chairman he was the boards representatives to the fans. He has to shoulder the responsibilty of the boards decisions even if they werent his. Also, isnt a charimans role to recommend things to the board, ie the financial backing of the manager, or the sacking, sale or purchase of a player etc? Can the board act without the chaimens recommendation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 To be honest. i do not know what the problem is with Ashley and Mort. What have they make wrong? - There is argument that they did not support Sam in the summer or that they did not bought any payer in the January window. But Sam was never there choice and even how much I supported Sam he got money. a lot of it where from selling player that I think is badly missing. But it was he that bought in the new players which almost none of them have turned out to be good. I understand him and many that is saying that he should get more money and I am disappointed with this. But as I said they did not chose him and Ashley have said that he should directly had done that. But what should have happened if sam would have got sacked even the season would have started? this was not a good option and therefore i do not blame them. in this window kk was fresh and it was he that did not wanted to buy anyone. not ashley. - The sacking of Sam and the timing Can agree that it should have been earlier. but really do not understand what the problem is. say that he would have contended with the bad run and we would end up here anyway. then they would be blame to not act earlier. the timing was not bad. they got who they wanted. - the choice of kk I think kk was right in many ways. but the most important is that they got there man and that they will support him. even who we got fans would be disappointed or happy. and if we would have taken anyone else. how can we know that he would have been better? I am really happy with Ashley and that there are here and not fat fred. they know how to run a company. they have a plan that I like. to say that the debt that the payed of did not matter that it is good to have debts it is just bullshit. man. ashley have got us debt less and this is a superb thing for the club. the future is bright. the future is Ashley and Mort! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 4, 2008 Share Posted March 4, 2008 I think Shepherd took most of the beans with him. Maybe hw wanted some to go with the pies It would appear he also took some league points with him too. He should have shared some with his mate Souness. Some league points and some beans and maybe the two of them wouldn't have found it necessary to boot your idol, Bellamy right out of Newcastle. What a can of beans they made out of that one. I see. It escapes your attention that the fat b****** and his mate Bobby also brought my idol, Bellamy, into the club too. Most unlike you to pick out what suits your opinion and discard the rest. Well then, that makes it perfectly justifiable to sell him then. He did buy him after all. What a silly argument. That about sums up all your other arguments. oh dear. Have you decided whether or not you advocate spending money on quality footballers or not yet, ref your dramatic u-turn ? Or do you have any consistent view of anything that you find yourself able to stick to that doesn't involve personalities ? mackems.gif Well said! Really addressed the point there, bravo! Personalities have nothing to do with my judgment, in fact, i say the same things over and over again, ive supported all of Shephards decsions, but at the end of the day wen push came to shove, the last 10 years are irrelavant to the current state of the club, you cant seem to accepth that. I dont know why, i accept that he was part of the great revival of the club, and i understand he brought some good times to this club, but 4 years, thats right, 4 whole years after his best achievement the club is in no better situation than the one he took over. What other business would accept that? your poor grammar and spelling says everything I'm afraid. Not to mention that you - and you aren't the only one - who STILL thinks that Shepherd ran the whole club all on his own despite the Halls being the majority shareholders. Do you also think that Mort runs the whole club and makes all the decisions on his own too mackems.gif What a stupid little comment to make. I cant believe you're that desperate to score points that you would look at someones english, what a pathetic little man you are. You should really take a look at what you've just put, its an embaressing statement to make, what are you, 53 years of age? You should really take a look at yourself if you think that that is an acceptable or appropriate comment to make. And for what its worth, im aware that Shephard doesnt run the club on his own, but it also needs to be said that as the chairman he was the boards representatives to the fans. He has to shoulder the responsibilty of the boards decisions even if they werent his. Also, isnt a charimans role to recommend things to the board, ie the financial backing of the manager, or the sacking, sale or purchase of a player etc? Can the board act without the chaimens recommendation? Not point scoring. Just can't be bothered with your inability to open your mind, fact is I've tried to tell you the bigger picture as someone who's supported the club for over 40 years and you don't want to listen. Also - like it or not, if you want to put up good debate then your presentation of your points is important. Don't take it personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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