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I read that article on Monday and apart from a couple of small errors, as a lifelong Newcastle supporter  I think it is the closest to the truth anyone has got about our problems.

 

Really? Because I think it's absolute bullshit.

 

It is. Disgraceful that a supposed Newcastle fan agrees with it

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I read that article on Monday and apart from a couple of small errors, as a lifelong Newcastle supporter  I think it is the closest to the truth anyone has got about our problems.

 

Really? Because I think it's absolute bullshit.

 

It is. Disgraceful that a supposed Newcastle fan agrees with it

 

A fan of many decades at that.

Seems to me the "disgrace" is perceived as any Newcastle fan having a mind of their own and an opinion which differs from the "sack the board, kill Dennis Wise" mob mentality.

Disgraceful.

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Brilliant retort from Farrington, along with Henry Winter probably the only sports journalists worth reading.

I still think there's an element of truth in Syed's piece below.

 

The only way that Newcastle fans are ever going to be truly happy is when they have formed a collective to buy the club and have made a pig's ear, as they inevitably would, of a kind that would make Freddy Shepherd's last remaining strands stand on end. When they have rehired Keegan to manage the team, Shearer to be his assistant and the ghost of Jackie Milburn to do the scouting. When they have got control of the club and discovered that their own volatility makes it practically ungovernable.

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From The Times;

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/martin_samuel/article4799320.ece

 

From The Times

September 22, 2008

Hard to feel charitable towards Newcastle

Newcastle's Michael Owen looks dejected

Martin Samuel, Chief Football Correspondent

 

It was only a charity do – a dinner at the Hilton hotel in Gateshead for the Prince’s Trust – but in the community it meant a lot. So Gareth Southgate, the Middlesbrough manager, was there and he had brought his players, including Stewart Downing, the England winger, and David Wheater. Sunderland sent Anton Ferdinand, one of their new signings, and Craig Gordon, the Scotland goalkeeper. And representing Newcastle United: nobody.

 

“Magpies snub kids” the headlines read, but this was a clumsy oversight, not a snub; a slip that encapsulates the rudderless mess that the club have become.

 

The same absence of purpose and responsibility weighs down each aspect of Mike Ashley’s floundering regime. From the pitch to the board-room, Newcastle have become a big no-show. The directors are too frightened to turn up and the players are hiding behind excuses, while the management thinks that each day could be its last. It is not a recipe for disaster because, in terms of the direction the club are taking, that has happened. It is a recipe for relegation.

 

Footballers do a lot for charity, but like most of us they need a nudge. That is why fundraisers exist – to organise and direct donations and to jog the consciences of those in a position to help. If we put our hands in our pockets without reminders, we wouldn’t need Lenny Henry and Comic Relief every two years. And, hey, that sounds like a fair exchange, but the point is it would have taken a bit of cajoling and work to get all the local celebrities in the same place on the same night in Gateshead.

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Southgate’s presence would have helped to get Middlesbrough’s star players along and one look from Roy Keane would probably have done it at Sunderland. Even so, behind the scenes there would still have been a put-upon club official making sure that this famously unreliable breed

 

knew times and places, dress codes, whether a car would take them home, whether there would be an auction or a raffle and if memorabilia was required or had already been donated. A reminder of the good cause in question might have been necessary, too.

 

Except at Newcastle, where no one bothered because everyone is too busy looking over their shoulders for an angry mob, or a new manager, or Dennis Wise, or an Arab sheikh with £400 million burning a hole in his pocket that he is just looking to sink into an expanding black-and-white abyss. Even if someone had rallied Newcastle’s players into attendance, the last thing they want is to spend the night in a room full of ticked-off Geordies, tongues and inhibitions loosened by hours at the bar. Handed an invitation, the players would have shuffled awkwardly, offered a few lame excuses and made a sharp exit. And, right now, no one at Newcastle has the authority to stop them.

 

It is an indictment of Ashley’s regime that Freddy Shepherd, the former chairman, is increasingly remembered with fondness. Who is in charge here? Who was in charge as the club slipped into the relegation zone on Saturday, with no prospect of a steadying hand on the tiller? Chris Hughton is the caretaker manager, but no one is taking care of this club. There is a void filled only with angry voices and the occasional bleating of the owner and now the players have gone into hiding, too.

 

The turmoil has become mitigation for performances that have worsened since Kevin Keegan departed. Newcastle were poor against Arsenal in Keegan’s last game, but now the players have an excuse. Meanwhile, Ashley is flying around the world in a desperate attempt to hawk the club to a buyer as impetuous and foolish as he was. He has an executive structure that acts as a repellent for any manager of substance, a painfully underpowered squad of players and an overpowered mutinous army of supporters. But if he will not turn up for games, why should anyone else?

 

No one is poking his head above deck at Newcastle, for any cause, and certainly not for charity. The ship is drifting and the crew is nowhere to be seen. Some compare Newcastle to the Titanic. Not quite: it’s the Mary Celeste.

 

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I remember The Three Legends came live from this doo and they too wondered if anyone from Newcastle would turn up.  Am not surprised that no-one did. Either the players have been told to keep quiet/out of the public view (where they maybe questioned) - or they may well indeed be keeping low through choice. Either way - not good and hardly helps the clubs awful PR record.

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There was something a week or two ago in an article saying the players had all had text messages (:nope:) telling them not to speak to the press.

 

Presumably Martins and Xisco will be getting fined. ;)

 

S'pose it shows the club are trying to get everyone pulling in the same direction  :-[

Fucking scandalous if true

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I read that article on Monday and apart from a couple of small errors, as a lifelong Newcastle supporter  I think it is the closest to the truth anyone has got about our problems.

 

Really? Because I think it's absolute bullshit.

 

That article is a fucking disgrace tbh, obviously a southerner with a chip on his shoulder. There are very few truths in it and those are greatly exaggerated as it is.

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from .COM:

 

 

More observations from Southern-based hacks on events on Tyneside.

 

First up is usually-unpleasant Hammers fan Martin Samuel writing in Monday's Times and, for a change, his musings seem spot-on. Read here.

 

Next are the poisonous prejudices of perennial Toon-hater (see below) Mick Dennis who once again lazily throws in random attendance figures to try and substantiate his odium.

 

The Express didn't see fit to put the article online, so here it is in full:

 

 

HERE they go again, the special people demanding that someone who understands just how special they are takes over their special club. The preposterous self-regard of the self-styled Geordie Nation is the single most obnoxiously ridiculous aspect of English football. It is also one of the fundamental reasons why Newcastle United have not won a major domestic trophy since a month after Winston Churchill stopped being Prime Minister.

The Toon Army tell us that, unless we are from Newcastle, we do not and cannot understand what their club means to them. How dare they be so insulting to the rest of us? Of course we understand their passion. We get it. It’s how we feel about our clubs.

 

And it is those of us outside Newcastle, looking in, who can see how deluded their fans are and the damage their vanity has done to the club they say “deserves” success.

 

Yep, Newcastle get big crowds. Agreed – although in terms of the percentage of the available seats, their attendances last season were only the tenth best in the land. And when they were struggling in football’s second tier in 1991 their average attendance was a paltry 16,879.

 

Other clubs have maintained much better levels of support in lower divisions. But, yes, Newcastle have had good crowds in recent seasons.

 

However, their oft-repeated assertion that they are especially loyal is tosh.

 

The speed with which they turn on faltering managers has been one reason for the lack of stability at the club. When Freddie Shepherd was chairman, as soon as the natives got restless about a manager, he sacked him. And another Freddie flaw was that, to appease the fans, he kept sanctioning big, iconic signings – rupturing the budget by buying Michael Owen for instance.

 

Then Mike Ashley took over and fawned to the fans by appointing Kevin Keegan. He’s from Doncaster and the last time he was Newcastle manager he blew their only chance of the title for 70 years by disrupting the team with the Quixotic signing of Faustino Asprilla and failing to sure-up a ricketty defence.

 

But those special Newcastle fans think Keegan is one of them, so the club’s website announced: “The Messiah is back”.

 

That perpetuated the foolish fallacy that Newcastle are an exceptional club, preordained to succeed. It maintained the myth that the club should be run like some evangelical crusade.

 

So now we wait for And and Dec to form a consortium to buy the club and appoint Robson Green as director of football and Jimmy Five Bellies as manager. Well, that’s no more ludicrous than the fans banging on about how special they all are.

 

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Mick has a long tradition of anti-Newcastle scrawlings. For example:

 

"But watching Ipswich lose their bottle is becoming an end-of-season tradition, which is just as enjoyable as Newcastle's annual defeat at Wembley."

 

London Evening Standard, May 3, 2000.

 

 

The ludicrous "tenth best in the land" statistic is just bizarre and totally inaccurate. Our lowest attendance in 2007-08 was 49,948 (95.5% full).

 

This was fifth highest in the Premier League, ahead of Liverpool (95.2%) and Chelsea (94.3%) and way better than those with much smaller grounds (Fulham, Portsmouth, Bolton, Wigan etc.).

 

None of the clubs outside of the Premier League could match that statistic, including Dennis' beloved Norwich (94.3%).

 

The 16,879 average in 1990-91 is also a lazy figure to throw in. Yes, it was the lowest point in our recent history but for a team struggling in Division Two (we finished 11th) it was relatively respectable.

 

Only three teams in that league bettered it - Sheff Wed and West Ham (both promoted) and Boro (playoffs). It was higher than seven Division One sides (Derby, Norwich, Southampton, Coventry, Q.P.R., Luton and Wimbledon).

 

These were dark days for attendances in England, for example Crystal Palace finished third behind Champions Arsenal (36,864), runners-up Liverpool (36,038) with an average of 19,660.

 

Of course, Dennis doesn't mention that we finished the best supported team in the land with averages of 49,379 and 56,238 in 1946-47 and 1947-48, respectively - when we were in Division Two.

 

Just as relevant/irrelevant as his 1990-91 statistic.

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Big Geordie

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A good piece from The Times - post the Spurs result;

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/newcastle/article4821825.ece

 

From The Times

September 25, 2008

Loyalty no longer a black-and-white issue

George Caulkin

 

Newcastle United do not lift trophies, they win hearts. At a club who have failed to claim domestic silverware for 53 years, achievement must be measured by different means, and garlands are strewn at St James’ Park whenever the attendance is announced.

 

XXL support for size-zero rewards has been the norm on Tyneside, but these are abnormal times. There were no protests outside the stadium last night — and not a single member of the hierarchy to aim them at — and no banners were hoisted in the Leazes End. And yet a statement, of sorts, was made. Whether the cause was borne of financial hardship, the presence of the live television cameras or the slow torture of underachievement and betrayal, a message was delivered to Mike Ashley, the owner.

 

For many clubs, an attendance of 20,577 for a Carling Cup third-round tie would be the cause of celebration rather than navel-gazing, but Newcastle are judged by higher standards.

 

Loyalty is less a badge of honour than a curse, but since the departure of Kevin Keegan as manager, loyalty is not a simple concept. For a significant number of supporters, loyalty now means constructive rebellion.

 

The newly established Newcastle United Supporters Club (NUSC) does not advocate a boycott of matches but channelling an altered reality into something positive will be its challenge.

 

“NUSC believes that an organised supporters group is long overdue at Newcastle United,” it said in a statement yesterday. “It has the most passionate and loyal supporters in the country, but they are without an organised voice. We have been taken for granted too long and things must now change.” Until Ashley leaves, fans are being urged not to spend their money on official club products.

 

Newcastle are a club with no manager, an absentee owner and a directors’ box that, shamefully, stands empty. They are defined by their supporters, whose loyalty is no longer one-way or open-ended.

 

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How the f*** is our loss to Spurs the main sports story on the news this morning, with Citeh being dumped out by Brighton a mumbled footnote at the end?

 

It's because as some journo's keep telling us... we're not a big club, and nobody cares about us.

 

Go figure??!!

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We are getting absolutely slated for our attendance last night (among other things) on Talksport ATM.  No mention of other clubs attendances mind.

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And now on Talksport the fact that we didn't fill the ground is being used as an excuse for Taylors performance.

 

And apparently Spurs support was great because they took 2000 to the match.  Didn't look like that to me  ???

 

Anyone with high blood pressure shouldn't tune in to this :)

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2,000? Fuck off. Less than 400 easily. If it was White Hart Lane the away end would have been full. I won't criticise them for that though. The days of sold out games and more so sold out away ends in today's climate are not as guaranteed as they used to be and we are not immune to this either.

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