We need to spend £ 150 million..............

[GM]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Is it just about instilling belief? I can't imagine Keegan has been doing anything other than trying frantically to instil belief. What you have to ask yourself is why he's making absolutely no difference to the standard of play now.

 

"There's something rotten in the state of Denmark..."

[Happy Face]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Eh? 

 

If you go for a haircut when it looks shit, your barber thinks you like your hair to look shit, and gives you a shit haircut.

 

[GM]

To humour this thread, if we did spend £150million in the summer, where would you expect us to finish in the league next season?

 

Relegated. A la Leeds United.

[ChezGiven]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Eh? 

 

If you go for a haircut when it looks shit, your barber thinks you like your hair to look shit, and gives you a shit haircut.

 

 

Got you.

 

Mine is Algerian and doesnt speak English.

[Happy Face]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Is it just about instilling belief? I can't imagine Keegan has been doing anything other than trying frantically to instil belief. What you have to ask yourself is why he's making absolutely no difference to the standard of play now.

 

"There's something rotten in the state of Denmark..."

 

I reckon he is making a difference.

 

We'd have invited Man U onto us from the first minute if Allardyce was still around,  the fact that we've looked like we're even in the game against both Arsenal and Man U (at least for the first half) is a positive sign.

 

 

[Guest Knightrider]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Is it just about instilling belief? I can't imagine Keegan has been doing anything other than trying frantically to instil belief. What you have to ask yourself is why he's making absolutely no difference to the standard of play now.

 

"There's something rotten in the state of Denmark..."

 

In football results are all that matter. KK can say whatever he likes to whoever he likes but it won't do much good until results start coming in to restore concious belief, i.e. in reality. I also reckon a great deal of players at our club have zero faith in one another and when there is no trust or no confidence in those around you, well, you're fucked and that's exactly what has happened to us. It runs deeper of course and other factors have played their part but those are the crux of the problems in my opinion, that and the genuine lack of ability in the ranks.

[Happy Face]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Eh? 

 

If you go for a haircut when it looks s***, your barber thinks you like your hair to look s***, and gives you a s*** haircut.

 

 

Surely you go to the barbers to get your hair to stop looking shit?

 

Nope.

 

You need to be more pro-active than that.

 

 

[GM]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Is it just about instilling belief? I can't imagine Keegan has been doing anything other than trying frantically to instil belief. What you have to ask yourself is why he's making absolutely no difference to the standard of play now.

 

"There's something rotten in the state of Denmark..."

 

In football results are all that matter. KK can say whatever he likes to whoever he likes but it won't do much good until results start coming in to restore concious belief, i.e. in reality. I also reckon a great deal of players at our club have zero faith in one another and when there is no trust or no confidence in those around you, well, you're fucked and that's exactly what has happened to us. It runs deeper of course and other factors have played their part but those are the crux of the problems in my opinion, that and the genuine lack of ability in the ranks.

 

Get rid of some of the "stars" and get back to basics. To sort the morale issue out, we may very well need to do the unthinkable and get rid of certain players who are seen as the mark of an "ambitious" club. We may need to say goodbye to Given, Owen and others before we can have a hope in hell of righting this ship.

 

 

 

 

[Happy Face]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Eh? 

 

If you go for a haircut when it looks s***, your barber thinks you like your hair to look s***, and gives you a s*** haircut.

 

 

Surely you go to the barbers to get your hair to stop looking s***?

 

Nope.

 

You need to be more pro-active than that.

 

 

 

Well what if you go to your barbers while its looking good to have it cut, and the barber does a shit job and the end result is that it now looks shit, despite not being shit before you had it cut?

 

 

 

There's always that danger.

 

At least you reduce it if you turn up with your hair looking like you want it too.

 

Next week:  Belt and shoes, why they should never clash.

[ChezGiven]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Eh? 

 

If you go for a haircut when it looks s***, your barber thinks you like your hair to look s***, and gives you a s*** haircut.

 

 

Surely you go to the barbers to get your hair to stop looking s***?

 

Nope.

 

You need to be more pro-active than that.

 

 

 

Well what if you go to your barbers while its looking good to have it cut, and the barber does a shit job and the end result is that it now looks shit, despite not being shit before you had it cut?

 

 

 

 

Serves you right for having a 'trophy' haircut.

 

Just because you spend £50 on a haircut doesnt mean you are going to pull!

[Dave]

Just because you spend £50 on a haircut doesnt mean you are going to pull!

 

Read it and weep Jon, read it and weep. :lol:

[fredbob]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Eh? 

 

If you go for a haircut when it looks s***, your barber thinks you like your hair to look s***, and gives you a s*** haircut.

 

 

Surely you go to the barbers to get your hair to stop looking s***?

 

Nope.

 

You need to be more pro-active than that.

 

 

 

Well what if you go to your barbers while its looking good to have it cut, and the barber does a s*** job and the end result is that it now looks s***, despite not being s*** before you had it cut?

 

 

 

 

Serves you right for having a 'trophy' haircut.

 

Just because you spend £50 on a haircut doesnt mean you are going to pull!

 

Same concept applies to the club.

 

 

[Guest Knightrider]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Is it just about instilling belief? I can't imagine Keegan has been doing anything other than trying frantically to instil belief. What you have to ask yourself is why he's making absolutely no difference to the standard of play now.

 

"There's something rotten in the state of Denmark..."

 

In football results are all that matter. KK can say whatever he likes to whoever he likes but it won't do much good until results start coming in to restore concious belief, i.e. in reality. I also reckon a great deal of players at our club have zero faith in one another and when there is no trust or no confidence in those around you, well, you're fucked and that's exactly what has happened to us. It runs deeper of course and other factors have played their part but those are the crux of the problems in my opinion, that and the genuine lack of ability in the ranks.

 

Get rid of some of the "stars" and get back to basics. To sort the morale issue out, we may very well need to do the unthinkable and get rid of certain players who are seen as the mark of an "ambitious" club. We may need to say goodbye to Given, Owen and others before we can have a hope in hell of righting this ship.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree. I love Given but the club's mediocrity has finally sunk it's teeth into him and he's now performing to that level instead of above it like he always used to. A great shame because he's been a great player for us and a great pro. Owen is finished as a top-class player and impairs us a great deal in an attacking sense, he's just not good enough simply and I'd get rid tomorrow.

 

Thankfully I think KK will do what is necessary and won't be afraid to get rid of anyone. I think in the summer there will be a lot of coming and going and some big shocks in store for people. Fans and players alike.

[ChezGiven]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Eh? 

 

If you go for a haircut when it looks s***, your barber thinks you like your hair to look s***, and gives you a s*** haircut.

 

 

Surely you go to the barbers to get your hair to stop looking s***?

 

Nope.

 

You need to be more pro-active than that.

 

 

 

Well what if you go to your barbers while its looking good to have it cut, and the barber does a s*** job and the end result is that it now looks s***, despite not being s*** before you had it cut?

 

 

 

 

Serves you right for having a 'trophy' haircut.

 

Just because you spend £50 on a haircut doesnt mean you are going to pull!

 

Hey my hair was in a right state after my last barber got at it.  I'm planning to "spend big" when getting a hair cut next, probably around £150 in the summer.  Surely my hair will lead to quality birds jumping in to bed with me...

 

Give it a go, everything else has failed.

[brummie]

Do you believe its right to get rid of Owen and Given in the summer? or should we be building a team around these guys and writing off how shite everyone has been this season?

 

I can't believe anyone would be mad enough to build a team around a player like Michael Owen, who looks a. distinctly like he doesn't give a shit and b. past it.

[Dave]

Do you believe its right to get rid of Owen and Given in the summer? or should we be building a team around these guys and writing off how shite everyone has been this season?

 

I can't believe anyone would be mad enough to build a team around a player like Michael Owen, who looks a. distinctly like he doesn't give a shit and b. past it.

 

I worry that his name/reputation will convince Keegan to give it another go rather than move on.

[GM]

Do you believe its right to get rid of Owen and Given in the summer? or should we be building a team around these guys and writing off how shite everyone has been this season?

 

I can't believe anyone would be mad enough to build a team around a player like Michael Owen, who looks a. distinctly like he doesn't give a shit and b. past it.

 

I'm with you Brum. 100%.

 

I only hope that it's not too late for Newcastle to replicate the revival seen at Villa since O'Neill's arrived. If we can do that I'd be happy enough.

[brummie]

Do you believe its right to get rid of Owen and Given in the summer? or should we be building a team around these guys and writing off how shite everyone has been this season?

 

I can't believe anyone would be mad enough to build a team around a player like Michael Owen, who looks a. distinctly like he doesn't give a shit and b. past it.

 

I worry that his name/reputation will convince Keegan to give it another go rather than move on.

 

I think he probably will, to be honest, and - perversely - in a way, i would understand why, he is a big, big name still. It'd still be the wrong decision, mind.

 

If anyone demonstrates the folly of thinking spending huge amounts of money is a guaranteed short cut to success then it must surely be Owen.

[GM]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Eh? 

 

If you go for a haircut when it looks s***, your barber thinks you like your hair to look s***, and gives you a s*** haircut.

 

 

Surely you go to the barbers to get your hair to stop looking s***?

 

Nope.

 

You need to be more pro-active than that.

 

 

 

Well what if you go to your barbers while its looking good to have it cut, and the barber does a s*** job and the end result is that it now looks s***, despite not being s*** before you had it cut?

 

 

 

 

Serves you right for having a 'trophy' haircut.

 

Just because you spend £50 on a haircut doesnt mean you are going to pull!

 

Hey my hair was in a right state after my last barber got at it.  I'm planning to "spend big" when getting a hair cut next, probably around £150 in the summer.  Surely my hair will lead to quality birds jumping in to bed with me...

 

Give it a go, everything else has failed.

 

Well the new barber I'm using actually used to cut my hair a little over 10 years ago.  Was happy with how it looked then and so did the ladies, so perhaps it's good move.

 

or maybe you'll just get a REALLY out of date haircut that people will just piss themselves laughing at...

[Dave]

Do you believe its right to get rid of Owen and Given in the summer? or should we be building a team around these guys and writing off how shite everyone has been this season?

 

I can't believe anyone would be mad enough to build a team around a player like Michael Owen, who looks a. distinctly like he doesn't give a shit and b. past it.

 

I worry that his name/reputation will convince Keegan to give it another go rather than move on.

 

I think he probably will, to be honest, and - perversely - in a way, i would understand why, he is a big, big name still. It'd still be the wrong decision, mind.

 

If anyone demonstrates the folly of thinking spending huge amounts of money is a guaranteed short cut to success then it must surely be Owen.

 

 

Said the same earlier.

[Guest Knightrider]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Is it just about instilling belief? I can't imagine Keegan has been doing anything other than trying frantically to instil belief. What you have to ask yourself is why he's making absolutely no difference to the standard of play now.

 

"There's something rotten in the state of Denmark..."

 

In football results are all that matter. KK can say whatever he likes to whoever he likes but it won't do much good until results start coming in to restore concious belief, i.e. in reality. I also reckon a great deal of players at our club have zero faith in one another and when there is no trust or no confidence in those around you, well, you're f***** and that's exactly what has happened to us. It runs deeper of course and other factors have played their part but those are the crux of the problems in my opinion, that and the genuine lack of ability in the ranks.

 

Get rid of some of the "stars" and get back to basics. To sort the morale issue out, we may very well need to do the unthinkable and get rid of certain players who are seen as the mark of an "ambitious" club. We may need to say goodbye to Given, Owen and others before we can have a hope in hell of righting this ship.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree. I love Given but the club's mediocrity has finally sunk it's teeth into him and he's now performing to that level instead of above it like he always used to. A great shame because he's been a great player for us and a great pro. Owen is finished as a top-class player and impairs us a great deal in an attacking sense, he's just not good enough simply and I'd get rid tomorrow.

 

Thankfully I think KK will do what is necessary and won't be afraid to get rid of anyone. I think in the summer there will be a lot of coming and going and some big shocks in store for people. Fans and players alike.

 

Do you believe its right to get rid of Owen and Given in the summer? or should we be building a team around these guys and writing off how shite everyone has been this season?

 

Get rid would be my vote. Shay's best days for us are behind him, he has far too many bad habits and we need a hungry fresh 'keeper with a whole career ahead of him to cultivate a persona between the sticks for himself. Shay is too died in the wool and too battle weary to become that much needed presence behind the back-four. As for Owen, his only real outstanding quality is his positional instinct which will always enable him to score goals but it will come at a huge expense to the rest of the team, most notably those behind him in midfield who will have to play a very one dimensional game to provide the kind of service that will get goals out of Owen. We need much more, we need mobility, physical presence, pace and stamina. You can't build a team around such players, you can try and accomdate them or include them from time to time but the way I look at is I'd rather see their places taken up by hungry, fresh players with something to prove and gain, players with their whole careers ahead of them. Players who can decide what kind of players they become or the success they can achieve by what they have to do rather than what they've done previously. Shay has had his time where as Owen has wasted his. Time to move on, for club and player.

[GM]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Eh? 

 

If you go for a haircut when it looks s***, your barber thinks you like your hair to look s***, and gives you a s*** haircut.

 

 

Surely you go to the barbers to get your hair to stop looking s***?

 

Nope.

 

You need to be more pro-active than that.

 

 

 

Well what if you go to your barbers while its looking good to have it cut, and the barber does a s*** job and the end result is that it now looks s***, despite not being s*** before you had it cut?

 

 

 

 

Serves you right for having a 'trophy' haircut.

 

Just because you spend £50 on a haircut doesnt mean you are going to pull!

 

Hey my hair was in a right state after my last barber got at it.  I'm planning to "spend big" when getting a hair cut next, probably around £150 in the summer.  Surely my hair will lead to quality birds jumping in to bed with me...

 

Give it a go, everything else has failed.

 

Well the new barber I'm using actually used to cut my hair a little over 10 years ago.  Was happy with how it looked then and so did the ladies, so perhaps it's good move.

 

or maybe you'll just get a REALLY out of date haircut that people will just piss themselves laughing at...

 

actually I just found out he hasn't cut anyones hair for 3 years.  Bad move or not?

 

Sounds like you'd be better off with a professional shearer...

[Guest Knightrider]

Do you believe its right to get rid of Owen and Given in the summer? or should we be building a team around these guys and writing off how shite everyone has been this season?

 

I can't believe anyone would be mad enough to build a team around a player like Michael Owen, who looks a. distinctly like he doesn't give a shit and b. past it.

 

I worry that his name/reputation will convince Keegan to give it another go rather than move on.

 

If KK has a chance to sign a better player, or someone he feels will be more beneficial to the team and the way he intends to get us playing, Owen will make way. He may not peddle him but he will drop him or have him fighting for his place like everyone else which will be based on merit. I don't think Keegan will have been impressed with Owen, a player he has never really rated even when he was in his pomp. I can see the two parting ways, club and player. It wouldn't surprise me to see Sven come in for him and for us to take a loss.

[Guest Knightrider]

Every player we have signed over the last few years seems to fail completely.

 

That's what I was saying earlier.

 

Any quality signing is dragged into the torpor rather than pulling the squad out of it.  Instill a bit of belief, then make expensive additions to a club on the up.

 

It's like they say about getting your hair cut, you should always go when it looks it's best.

 

 

 

Is it just about instilling belief? I can't imagine Keegan has been doing anything other than trying frantically to instil belief. What you have to ask yourself is why he's making absolutely no difference to the standard of play now.

 

"There's something rotten in the state of Denmark..."

 

In football results are all that matter. KK can say whatever he likes to whoever he likes but it won't do much good until results start coming in to restore concious belief, i.e. in reality. I also reckon a great deal of players at our club have zero faith in one another and when there is no trust or no confidence in those around you, well, you're f***** and that's exactly what has happened to us. It runs deeper of course and other factors have played their part but those are the crux of the problems in my opinion, that and the genuine lack of ability in the ranks.

 

Get rid of some of the "stars" and get back to basics. To sort the morale issue out, we may very well need to do the unthinkable and get rid of certain players who are seen as the mark of an "ambitious" club. We may need to say goodbye to Given, Owen and others before we can have a hope in hell of righting this ship.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree. I love Given but the club's mediocrity has finally sunk it's teeth into him and he's now performing to that level instead of above it like he always used to. A great shame because he's been a great player for us and a great pro. Owen is finished as a top-class player and impairs us a great deal in an attacking sense, he's just not good enough simply and I'd get rid tomorrow.

 

Thankfully I think KK will do what is necessary and won't be afraid to get rid of anyone. I think in the summer there will be a lot of coming and going and some big shocks in store for people. Fans and players alike.

 

Do you believe its right to get rid of Owen and Given in the summer? or should we be building a team around these guys and writing off how s**** everyone has been this season?

 

Get rid would be my vote. Shay's best days for us are behind him, he has far too many bad habits and we need a hungry fresh 'keeper with a whole career ahead of him to cultivate a persona between the sticks for himself. Shay is too died in the wool and too battle weary to become that much needed presence behind the back-four. As for Owen, his only real outstanding quality is his positional instinct which will always enable him to score goals but it will come at a huge expense to the rest of the team, most notably those behind him in midfield who will have to play a very one dimensional game to provide the kind of service that will get goals out of Owen. We need much more, we need mobility, physical presence, pace and stamina. You can't build a team around such players, you can try and accomdate them or include them from time to time but the way I look at is I'd rather see their places taken up by hungry, fresh players with something to prove and gain, players with their whole careers ahead of them. Players who can decide what kind of players they become or the success they can achieve by what they have to do rather than what they've done previously. Shay has had his time where as Owen has wasted his. Time to move on, for club and player.

 

So let's say Given and Owen go.  Who would you bring in to replace them with? what two players would you want here that we could get, that would fit in and play the style of football you would like us to play?

 

It's too early for Krul, so I'm assuming were looking to spend big on a keeper too. 

 

Regarding a replacement for Given, not necessarily no. Someone with different qualities and a different presence between the sticks could make all the difference. Who and how much I don't know. Maybe Harper  can step up and make the position his own.

 

The same applies to Owen too. We don't have to go out and spend £16m to replace him. Again someone with different qualities and a different presence could make a huge difference. Who and how much, again I don't know. I haven't really thought that much about it.

[Happy Face]

Can I retract the hair analogy, despite it's relevence I'm losing the will to live here.