Interesting read

[merlin]

Keegan's departure has played a part in our free fall without a doubt, but KK himself hasn't. He can't be held responsible for things out of his control much less many of the things that have since conspired to speed up or force the free fall we are in. He made the right decision to leave if he genuinley felt he couldn't work with others at the club - if only for himself. He wasn't to know what was waiting for the club around the corner after he left. As such I cannot criticise the man even though I was angry and upset with his decision and just wished he had of just put up with it. That's not how KK works though and I can't expect him to be something he isn't just to protect my own feelings or the status quo.

 

 

 

 

I'm surprised you had time to say all of that with most of your time spent with your nose against his arse or your mouth around his cock

 

awful reply tbh....

 

Completely agree and agree about the KK comment too. Kevin was our most successful manager in recent times and that probably coincided with the fact that he was the manager in every sense of the word. He knew what he wanted, got it and generally gave us the best years we will ever see. Even his second spell was amazing as that team he took over was doomed. Getting that lot to play football, was a miracle I felt. It was to some extent a greater accomplishment keeping us up last season than it was saving us from the old 3rd.

 

Keegan wanted to do the managers job in the way that the job should be done. Control over team selection and also buying and selling. When he had that we were relatively successful and when he felt that was being taken away from him, i.e. the PLC, then he couldn't manage in the way that he was used to and probably promised. So off he went. Of course similar things happened with Ashley, he wasn't managing like he expected he would do (Wise etal) or even was promised and so away he went.

 

I think Bobby had a good spell when he was managing in the true sense of the word, buying well with folk like Bellamy and Robert etc but it seems that he started to fail when his management was undermined. I am sure his attempts to get rid of Shearer (reported a few years ago....was it to Liverpool?) were the first indications that he was no longer fully in charge. I expect Bobby would have left on principle but of course, with his age etc, he had no where else to go and so continued with his power diluted. If younger, he would also have walked away when the contract was changed, as it was obvious his management was severely weakened.

 

We had the same sort of thing with Gullit really. Probably a bad appointment but again he couldn't manage in a way that he wanted, again Shearer the stumbling point and so off he went. Not saying Gullit was right at the time but he wanted Al out of the pictiure and I imagine that Freddie disagreed with this forcibly. Whether right or wrong, Gullit couldn't manage properly and so left.

 

Difficult to sort out the other managers in the same vein but Roeder was always under trial in many ways, Sam wasn't here long enough, although probably just as well and JFK is a puppet to some extent and again isn't a manager with real control. Souness I cant decide upon though his run in with Bellamy maybe suggested that he had full support from the chairman and therefore full control over team matters etc, just useless whatever power he was allowed.

 

KK could not work under the situation of Wise etc and the buying and selling of players he didn't approve of and I feel thats why he left. Many feel he should have stuck it out but thats not Kevin's way. The job was not what he was told it was gonna be and I am sure if he knew that at the start, he would not have returned in the first place. Perhaps he should have chucked it as soon as Wise was appointed but maybe he didn't realise the full extent of the dilution of his management until that final day or so of the summer transfer window, when players were coming and going without his consent or even knowledge.

 

Its hard to see another manager having full control but until this happens with a good man in charge, we won't go far. Those who have been successful have had this, best example of course at the present time is Ferguson. He has been a manager in the full sense of the word and I think thats the only way it can work. Until we have that here, we won't ever move forward and I suspect that its never going to happen and that Kevin and to the lesser extent Sir Bobby, may be the last true managers of NUFC.

 

If HTT has been sticking up for KK in respect of this, then I would have to agree. Comments following his contribution could have perhaps been a bit more constructive but then agan, maybe the name says it all.

 

I always enjoy your comments, KeithK - I suspect , from your username, that you are from a similar era to myself...!

Agree with all you say, but would add that Wenger also has most of the control at Arsenal - both he & Fergie said that they thought KK was right to walk after the fiasco last Autumn and that they wouldn't tolerate interference in buying/selling either.

 

Sadly, I believe we have seen the best of Newcastle United and I doubt very much whether the club will even be a serious contender for CL football again, certainly not under the present regime....oh yes, and your final comment ABOUT the comment was spot-on...!!

[Robster]

I noticed that some Liverpool fans were making reference to KK being a guest of the club. Is this something that is in the offing or was it just idle chat of something that they wanted to happen ?

[Fatwax]

Obviously the biggest chance was to strengthen in the winter window.. and they well and truly f***ed it up. I doubt they could have f***ed it up any more than they did really.

 

Seriously?

 

I believe so, yeah. They signed a winger/striker on a free who hadn't played all season and has fallen off the radar somewhat, a 'utility man' who only really performs against us and a central midfielder who has been off the boil for about 2 seasons. In return we got rid of N'Zogbia which is fair enough, his wanting to leave is nothing new.. but over the course of a few months the club forced out Given with their total mismanagement.

 

I like Harper and think he'll do a good job, but the fact that we sold a player in a shit fashion for apparently shit money will have an effect of the squad. Given has been a part of the NUFC furniture for so long. You don't throw out the best china plates without the missus noticing.

[Guest toonlass]

Absolutely exceptional piece. Why is that fella not writing for a national newspaper?

[biggs]

Keegan was living the person who allowed all Newcastle fans to live in a fantasy land.

 

 

its the only time since my first match in the 70s, that i honestly felt, we were the best team in the land,

 

Yes and i totally agree and god i hope we can get back up there again but as is patently obvious that is along way off,pleasure to watch and proud of our team and city.