Alan Pardew

[Guest neesy111]

Yes I agree, I'd be far more content with us trying to play it out of defence but I'm not sure we have the players at the back for it.

 

Summer has to be a time for defensive recruitment.

 

We've done it this season though, with the same players.

 

Villa (a) was one the best performances I've seen from us for a long time, should had won the game but the quality of the passing moves were awesome.  Complete contrast to how we are playing now.

[Guest neesy111]

Yes I agree, I'd be far more content with us trying to play it out of defence but I'm not sure we have the players at the back for it.

 

Summer has to be a time for defensive recruitment.

 

We've done it this season though, with the same players.

 

We did it well for 15 minutes yesterday, I was really pleased. Then Williamson went a bit mad and they all reverted to type and stopped moving and looking for it. It's a point I've been making for a while, we did the same at the Emirates, started well and at the first sign of pressure reverted to lobbing it. If the players were being coached to pass it we wouldnt slip so easily back into surrendering possession as our main mode of play.

 

I said after the goal, really impressed by the football we started off with then it just went down hill after that.

[JH]

Fulham (a) first half as well.

[Guest BooBoo]

I'm not sure we can comment with any certainty on how the squad is being coached.

[Dr Venkman]

I'm not sure we can comment with any certainty on how the squad is being coached.

 

Eh? We watch every single minute the team plays in competitive games man, it gives you a pretty good idea.

[Guest Deadmau5]

I'm not sure we can comment with any certainty on how the squad is being coached.

 

Eh? We watch every single minute the team plays in competitive games man, it gives you a pretty good idea.

 

Erm, Carver basically handed over the Monday - friday schedual concerning how we coach. How is that NOT certainty 

[Guest Deadmau5]

As we get to the business end of the season, there's very little chance of us opening up and playing more exciting football. It's all about results now and I can see us playing in a similar cagey style for the run in.

 

I'd be lying if I said I really enjoy our games. I dont on the whole and yesterday would have made grim viewing for the neutrals. Pardew is clearly under pressure to get us into Europe after being up there all year, but he's not being assisted by a collective loss of form by a number of his blue chip players. Ba has been poor since the CON, Tiote has had an average season, Cabaye is struggling to get any sort of form together and through nobody's fault but the purse holders, we are being forced to play the clearly nervous and limited Williamson.

 

I believe a more interesting angle would be to which degree our hoofball tactics affect the form of our very best players. When one is struggling with form, thats one thing. All of them? You have to start wondering if there are other reasons for it than the players themselves.

As for being forced to play williamson, we had 3 months to scout and the whole of january to get a new defender in, with Pardew stating it was the main priority. When you see how defensive-minded he is, you have to believe that.

Yet, we sign noone and instead buy a striker 

That tells me he has no say at all regarding transfers.

[Dr Venkman]

Well, it is. But I thought that was obvious so assumed he was saying we can't comment on it based on watching games, which I think is completely potty.

[Guest Deadmau5]

Well, it is. But I thought that was obvious so assumed he was saying we can't comment on it based on watching games, which I think is completely potty.

 

Yep, I wasnt really replying to you. But aye, as if watching the games wasnt enough, that interview with Carver is pretty much a slam dunk, so no point arguing it at all really.

The interview was given when everything went our way, so they didnt really mind telling us that they hardly practiced offensive fotball at all really. Now  that its painfully obvious,  Im not sure they they would have come out with this stuff - it would fuel the fires pretty well 

[Guest neesy111]

We won the game by passing it out and playing carpet football (the goal itself)

 

We're more than capable of it. We just stopped after the goal. Seems it was 'defend the three points at all costs' mode.

 

Aye, the 1st 10-15 mins was excellent I thought but it just suddenly changed after 15 mins and I don't think it was because Norwich suddenly were making us look bad. 

[Guest BooBoo]

I don't think we can underplay the loss of Steven Taylor. At the start of the season we had a confident back four and that confidence seemed to spread throughout the team. We looked a much better football side with Steven, and for that matter, Ryan Taylor at the back.

 

Since the injury though, our back four has been pretty unsettled with an over reliance on the out of his depth Williamsn and Santon, who I'm not sure is any sort of defender at all. We now have a shaky panicky defence who seem to have a mentality of "just clear it anywhere". Whether this is Pardew's instructions remains to be seen, but it could equally have a lot to do with the fact that we now regularly line up with only one competent defender.

[Dr Venkman]

Very strange game yesterday. We started the game really well I thought (there was a definite emphasis on passing it around, and Krul and Williamson didn't hoof it in the first 15 mins at all), but as soon as we scored and the crowd got on Williamson's back for that insane moment in the first half, we seemed to lose confidence in our ability to pass it around. That being said, without playing well at all after that, we still could have easily scored another 3 or 4 goals.

 

All of the players did look shattered / low on confidence like (apart from Perch, who was immense, and Cisse).

 

With all that being said though, I was still disappointed when I left the game. Felt like we should have dominated more.

 

I agree in the past few months we haven't played good football, but the early signs yesterday was that we were trying to. So I'm not sure how much Pardew was to blame yesterday. It was clear in the first 15 mins that they were instructive to keep it down and pass it. The player's confidence seemed to revert them to hitting it long the longer the game wore on though.

 

I'd agree with that on balance. It's the manager's job to try and instil and maintain that confidence though. Reverting to awful football isn't the answer.

 

I agree. But I'm just trying to be balanced in my opinion. It was frustrating viewing yesterday. Initially I'd say it was the players fault for resorting to long ball / deep defending, but Pardew should have sorted it. What I'm getting at though, is that it was clear that our game plan was  initially to try and play "proper" football, so I'm not on the "Pardew sets up to play long ball" bandwagon just yet.

 

I think performances like Norwich and Arsenal highlight why we should be training in a way that encourages football based on passing and moving. We tried to do it at Arsenal and essentially got nowhere and we tried to do it yesterday but stopped after 15 minutes. If the players were doing it day in day out they wouldnt look so bloody clueless on the odd occasion that Pardew decides he wants us to pass it about a bit.

 

How exactly do you know what we do in training?

 

I know that we spend 4 days out of 5 on stopping the other team. I'm speculating that we don't spend much time if any working on passing and moving, because we don't do it on a match day.

 

You actually KNOW that 4 days worth of training is spent purely on stopping the other team? Hmmmm... I highly doubt that (both the fact that you know it, and the fact itself)

 

http://www.nufcblog.org/2011/11/carver-on-pardew-and-the-way-newcastle-run-their-week/#.T2cYHWJNuB9

 

Aye, I've read that before. That still in no way means that we don't also spend time on passing and movement, set pieces, and all round play in the 4 days.

 

Riiiiiiight

[Guest Deadmau5]

I don't think we can underplay the loss of Steven Taylor. At the start of the season we had a confident back four and the onfidence seemed to spread throughout the team. We looked a much better football side with Steven, and for that matter, Ryan Taylor at the back.

 

 

You make it out as if he is Paolo Maldini here. Its Steven Taylor, he is a good defender. Thats it.  I refuse to accept the notion that one defender injured causes the entire team to play s***. Thats giving him way too much credit and excusing Pardew to an excessive degree.

 

 

[Guest neesy111]

Very strange game yesterday. We started the game really well I thought (there was a definite emphasis on passing it around, and Krul and Williamson didn't hoof it in the first 15 mins at all), but as soon as we scored and the crowd got on Williamson's back for that insane moment in the first half, we seemed to lose confidence in our ability to pass it around. That being said, without playing well at all after that, we still could have easily scored another 3 or 4 goals.

 

All of the players did look shattered / low on confidence like (apart from Perch, who was immense, and Cisse).

 

With all that being said though, I was still disappointed when I left the game. Felt like we should have dominated more.

 

I agree in the past few months we haven't played good football, but the early signs yesterday was that we were trying to. So I'm not sure how much Pardew was to blame yesterday. It was clear in the first 15 mins that they were instructive to keep it down and pass it. The player's confidence seemed to revert them to hitting it long the longer the game wore on though.

 

I'd agree with that on balance. It's the manager's job to try and instil and maintain that confidence though. Reverting to awful football isn't the answer.

 

I agree. But I'm just trying to be balanced in my opinion. It was frustrating viewing yesterday. Initially I'd say it was the players fault for resorting to long ball / deep defending, but Pardew should have sorted it. What I'm getting at though, is that it was clear that our game plan was  initially to try and play "proper" football, so I'm not on the "Pardew sets up to play long ball" bandwagon just yet.

 

I think performances like Norwich and Arsenal highlight why we should be training in a way that encourages football based on passing and moving. We tried to do it at Arsenal and essentially got nowhere and we tried to do it yesterday but stopped after 15 minutes. If the players were doing it day in day out they wouldnt look so bloody clueless on the odd occasion that Pardew decides he wants us to pass it about a bit.

 

How exactly do you know what we do in training?

 

I know that we spend 4 days out of 5 on stopping the other team. I'm speculating that we don't spend much time if any working on passing and moving, because we don't do it on a match day.

 

You actually KNOW that 4 days worth of training is spent purely on stopping the other team? Hmmmm... I highly doubt that (both the fact that you know it, and the fact itself)

 

http://www.nufcblog.org/2011/11/carver-on-pardew-and-the-way-newcastle-run-their-week/#.T2cYHWJNuB9

 

Aye, I've read that before. That still in no way means that we don't also spend time on passing and movement, set pieces, and all round play in the 4 days.

 

Riiiiiiight

 

If you do defensive work then it entails what you do without the ball.

[Jayson]

We'd likely be in a champions league position right now if Saylor had stayed fit.

[Guest BooBoo]

I disagree, a settled and confident back four is the bedrock of any successful side. We've simply not had that since the Chelsea game. I'm not over stating Steven Taylor's ability but it's pretty much a given that he was playing well, had a good understanding with Colo and that confidence was evident throughout the side.

[Guest neesy111]

We'd likely be in a champions league position right now if Saylor had stayed fit.

 

We'd certainly be on more points and conceded far less.

[Guest neesy111]

I disagree, a settled and confident back four is the bedrock of any successful side. We've simply not had that since the Chelsea game. I'm not over stating Steven Taylor's ability but it's pretty much a given that he was playing well, had a good understanding with Colo and that confidence was evident throughout the side.

 

The whole side isn't settled imo, Pardew seems be changing formations every 2-3 games now and personnel to go with it.  3 different wingers in the last 3 months, 3 different left-backs etc.  Some of it is down to injuries but some of it is done to choice as well.

[Dr Venkman]

We looked a much better football side with Steven, and for that matter, Ryan Taylor at the back.

 

Were we really that much better a side? I posted this on 12/09/2011 following the draw at QPR

 

another 90 minutes comes and goes without any attacking impetus or cohesion, not one move where we strung 3 passes together going forward, awful.

 

i hope he learns his lesson and shola doesnt start again while Ba's available, same with Raylor, he got bummed all day.

 

and what in the FUCK is going on with Tiote? still looks utterly appalling under pressure, he's reminding me of scott parker at his worst every time he gets the ball now, baffling.

 

still though, stole a point, nice one.

[Guest BooBoo]

We were certainly a better side than we are now. Games at Villa, both Manchester clubs, home to Blackburn and Wigan were all examples of us playing much better football than what's being served up currently.

[mrmojorisin75]

I fail to understand how the people who see positives in our play this season (and there have been many) can't also see that those positives are getting more sporadic as the season goes on. If it was the other way around then everyone would be delighted, but it's not and that's the concern. On the whole we're actually devolving in terms of the style of play - something that Pardew himself has championed as a key point to watch this season. Yes, there have been injuries, suspensions and the ACoN to deal with but none of these are things that other clubs don't also have to deal with.

 

Qualifying for Europe would be an amazing success, but as others have suggested it might be way too early for us as a club.

 

I don't think that the negative Pardew posts are as objective and rational as they should be - certainly not as rational as your post.  Quite quickly they degenerate into either just plain abuse and name calling of Pardew or posts suggesting that he is clueless, tactically naive and a PR man (or all of the above).

 

you pipe up with this type of thing from time to time, i'm not seeing it myself - look at the last few pages, a rational discussion and analysis of things from both sides with no name calling

[Guest neesy111]

We looked a much better football side with Steven, and for that matter, Ryan Taylor at the back.

 

Were we really that much better a side? I posted this on 12/09/2011 following the draw at QPR

 

another 90 minutes comes and goes without any attacking impetus or cohesion, not one move where we strung 3 passes together going forward, awful.

 

i hope he learns his lesson and shola doesnt start again while Ba's available, same with Raylor, he got bummed all day.

 

and what in the FUCK is going on with Tiote? still looks utterly appalling under pressure, he's reminding me of scott parker at his worst every time he gets the ball now, baffling.

 

still though, stole a point, nice one.

 

The contrast between the QPR and Villa game was ridiculous.  I went to that Villa game and we were awesome imo, Cabaye's best game for us.

 

That Villa game seemed to be the catalyst for a number of good performances in the next 6 weeks, Blackburn (h), Wolves (a) (1st half), Stoke (a), Spurs (h) IIRC.

[Dr Venkman]

Yeah, I just posted that because although we were better at passing out from the back with Saylor fit I distinctly remember being really concerned at our lack of ability to put a few passes together going forwards earlier in the season, then Ba started scoring every week and I forgot about it.

[High Five o]

The summer and preseason will make it or break it for Pardew in my eyes.

We need to get the right players in, to fill the positions we are weak in pr now.

And we need to work on our play, not how to stop others.

We need to be able to take they game into our hands, set the tempo and dictate the play.

 

I dislike the way we play at the moment, its simply not good football. I think we are wasting a lot of potential.

 

I am a Pardew critic because of the way we have played this season, but are willing to give him a chance over the summer to put things right. We have showed great character and work rate this season, and won many matches we would have lost a couple of years ago.

But we want to see progression, we need to take a step forward and play football, this have to be Pardews job over the summer. Get us to play a system that benefit the players we have.

 

I hope we have a decent run in to the season, and if possible secure a European spot.

When this is completed, then Pardew and the lads get this season on a distance, reflect on the, to be fair, many positive things this season. (we are 6th tbh) and build on it. If we secure a top 7, i think a lot of weight will be off the players and especially Pardews shoulders.

 

Hopefully Pardew are up for it, as if next season starts where we are now, i am afraid Pardew is not the right man to take us the next step.

 

Until then, lets get behind the manager and players, and keep the faith. There will be no good to get on the back of the players&manger at this stage.

 

 

 

[Guest Deadmau5]

Its not Steven Taylor missing that is the reason we are playing gash IMO.

The signs where there for all to see long before he got injured, but our unbeaten run was papering over the cracks.

It is a bit unfair on the lad to credit the entire team playing well to his presence alone,he comes back from injury and we should all suddenly expect to play well?

Seems like grasping at straws a bit to try looking for missing first-teamers as a reason why we have played poor fotball for half a year now, a defender no less.

The inherent problem is with the current philosophy and coaching, not an injured CB.