Sandro Tonali

[The College Dropout]

19 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

 

Is it not a bit of Isak was excellent then downed tools a fair bit post cup final whereas Tonali has been out out of form (compared to his peak) but the effort has generally been there?

 

I won't lose too much sleep if Tonali leaves but would prefer him to stay, and if we get anywhere close to £100m then we've got a great deal.

 

£125m/£130m for Isak felt about right but a little on the low side.

 

So it's easier to not feel as hurt with the Tonali deal whilst part of the Rat aspect is self preservation?

The ‘Isak downed tools’ narrative was reverse engineered unlike the Tonali stuff. Tonali flirted with Arsenal all the while being inconsistent - it’s all in the thread. At the time people thought Isak was carrying an injury and unfit. Truthfully - Isak played those last games in a similar manner to how he’s played for Liverpool.  Putting in his graft off the ball, looking knackered by 60 minutes and not quite looking fit, strong and explosive as he does at his best.  
 

Could’ve scored a hat trick in that Palace game for example. 
 

It’s not like the numerous examples of Gordon losing the ball loosely and not bothering to try and get it back.  Or sitting out the last 6 games of the season.  Isak played in the run-in, scoring crucial goals to secure us CL football.

 

Or Tonali running the length of the pitch for us to concede a 4th and decide he’s better off faking an injury to preserve his legs for Italy games. Tonali literally quits on the 52nd minute after chasing Fermin for his goal. Misses the derby. 80+ minutes for Italy a week after Barcelona.  Maybe it’s harsh but I thought during the Barca match he just tapped out.

 

I didn’t hold it against him because I thought Eddie’s tactics were kamikaze that night. That night made me look at Eddie differently.  

[The College Dropout]

Ultimately I don’t believe the project is on track to be successful.  I don’t believe in it at the moment. 
 

So my views on Howe, Tonali and Isak are probably softer than most. 

[Ben]

I'm not sure I want to see Tonali in a Newcastle shirt again

[TRC]

Ornstein has played this down a little bit, saying it was a discussion between the two clubs rather than a formal bid.

 

City are just as in this than Spurs are for him

[J7]

1 hour ago, TRC said:

Ornstein has played this down a little bit, saying it was a discussion between the two clubs rather than a formal bid.

 

City are just as in this than Spurs are for him

Heard that on the Athletic podcast. Also how Spurs had put a lot of work into the player, with the next step being approaching the club. Not sure when the steps flipped. 😂

 

Interesting to hear them mention how it’s all gone stale here too, finishing 12th, only 8 points ahead of Spurs and not changing manager.  

[Mattoon]

I'm starting to feel like Tonali is going nowhere this summer, I don't think there's enough interest at the price point we want and I don't see us backing down.

[1964]

3 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Ultimately I don’t believe the project is on track to be successful.  I don’t believe in it at the moment. 
 

So my views on Howe, Tonali and Isak are probably softer than most. 

Yep, I suspect there's more than a few people at the club thinking, as I do ..... I was expecting much more than this

[Nucasol]

35 minutes ago, J7 said:

Heard that on the Athletic podcast. Also how Spurs had put a lot of work into the player, with the next step being approaching the club. Not sure when the steps flipped. 😂

 

Interesting to hear them mention how it’s all gone stale here too, finishing 12th, only 8 points ahead of Spurs and not changing manager.  

Ornstein and the rest of the journos rowing back on Tonali and Hall like:

 

 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

4 hours ago, Menace said:

 

 

 

Not very difficult tbf

 

 See something you don't like on NO? Sign out. If people don't challenge the discourse the bar falls ever lower. 

The fact people don't have to come on the forum is completely seperate from whether people need to post inane tripe. 

[Wallsendmag]

What is interesting to someone might be boring to someone else and vice versa. If something doesn't interest me I simply scroll straight past it. Not really difficult. Sometimes people take football forums too seriously.

[Ben]

The guys on the Spurs podcast on The Athletic would prefer Wharton or Fernandes to Tonali, one of them said he's just a slightly better version of Connor Gallagher 

[La Parka]

If pasta smasher is reporting on it then he's getting paid to agitate everything. 

 

Should ban him. He ain't no journalist, just a shill. 

 

I expect Tonali and agent are involved too.

 

Look - if you don't wanna be here - fuck off. But also this is horrible behaviour after the support he had for his year ban. Will be up there with Isak for me. 

 

Also think he's been really shocking this season anyway. Won't miss the unsettled Tonali We've had this year.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 15:36 by La Parka

[Optimistic Nut]

59 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

I'm starting to feel like Tonali is going nowhere this summer, I don't think there's enough interest at the price point we want and I don't see us backing down.

 

Think there's interest, just not at the sums we'd want. If we can keep him it'd be a huge win, like. 

[GEFAFWISP]

5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Think there's interest, just not at the sums we'd want. If we can keep him it'd be a huge win, like. 

The way some people go on, it's an active hinderance if he doesn't leave. Might fake more injuries otherwise...

[Shearergol]

25 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

What is interesting to someone might be boring to someone else and vice versa. If something doesn't interest me I simply scroll straight past it. Not really difficult. Sometimes people take football forums too seriously.

I just find the hatred about everything nufc related a bit tedious in general. It’s not specifically the debate around whether Tonali should be labelled a rat.

[Ben]

Just now, Shearergol said:

I just find the hatred about everything nufc related a bit tedious in general. It’s not specifically the debate around whether Tonali should be labelled a rat.

 

Could with a Tonali Ratometer just now ......I'd put him at a 6, for the simple reason he hasn't put these rumours to bed.

[Wallsendmag]

2 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

I just find the hatred about everything nufc related a bit tedious in general. It’s not specifically the debate around whether Tonali should be labelled a rat.

 

Don't think there's any "hatred" around NUFC, certainly not in here, more just people being frustrated after a very underwhelming season and people being concerned about which direction the club are headed which is all fair enough to me. Other "frustrations" I've noticed on here are things like the stadium plans, ticket allocation and ticket prices, all of which is fair enough in my eyes anyway.

 

Twitter on the other hand is a bizarre place and I've experienced plenty of examples of this "hatred" you're describing but I tend not to take that too seriously. People buy a blue tick and then put something controversial up that'll get them attention.

 

Back to Tonali. He's our player. He hasn't suggested that he wants out or that he's going to refuse to play so until we know otherwise we just crack on.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Don't think anyone takes issue with concerns re: stadium plan concerns, ticket allocation and prices. I wouldn't conflate those with criticisms of the discourse in a lot of threads. We can all defer to our opinions, some might say that people shouldn't allow themselves to become so frustrated for example. Similarly what doesn't bother someone might really bother someone else. 

[Pandamninator]

16 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

The ‘Isak downed tools’ narrative was reverse engineered unlike the Tonali stuff. Tonali flirted with Arsenal all the while being inconsistent - it’s all in the thread. At the time people thought Isak was carrying an injury and unfit. Truthfully - Isak played those last games in a similar manner to how he’s played for Liverpool.  Putting in his graft off the ball, looking knackered by 60 minutes and not quite looking fit, strong and explosive as he does at his best.  
 

Could’ve scored a hat trick in that Palace game for example. 
 

It’s not like the numerous examples of Gordon losing the ball loosely and not bothering to try and get it back.  Or sitting out the last 6 games of the season.  Isak played in the run-in, scoring crucial goals to secure us CL football.

 

Or Tonali running the length of the pitch for us to concede a 4th and decide he’s better off faking an injury to preserve his legs for Italy games. Tonali literally quits on the 52nd minute after chasing Fermin for his goal. Misses the derby. 80+ minutes for Italy a week after Barcelona.  Maybe it’s harsh but I thought during the Barca match he just tapped out.

 

I didn’t hold it against him because I thought Eddie’s tactics were kamikaze that night. That night made me look at Eddie differently.  

My favourite Isak theory from this board was that he purposefully was trying to sabotage us reaching the Champions League - but the 5 goals he scored in the run in were just to put us off the scent (was said multiple times last year).

 

Oh and he could've missed those penalties he made but didn't because it would've been too obvious.  Despite the fact even the likes of Harry Kane has sent the ball to the moon on the biggest stage.

[Likelylad]

He was clearly playing within himself and or half arsing it. Whichever way you want to frame it.

A lot of people including myself assumed he was playing through a slight injury but knowing how things transpired. He knew he was off. 

[black_n_white]

21 minutes ago, Likelylad said:

He was clearly playing within himself and or half arsing it. Whichever way you want to frame it.

A lot of people including myself assumed he was playing through a slight injury but knowing how things transpired. He knew he was off. 

From the outset it definitely looked like he down tooled weeks ago.