Guest Invicta_Toon Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 I love the way Fat Sam looks at the American approach of employing 25 backroom staff to look after 80+ players, and somehow translates that to 28 staff to look after 30 odd players I never knew the NBA had squads of over 80+ players. In the US NFL it is common to have around 20-25 backroom staff to support the players meaning each individual player can get extra support if they need it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 I love the way Fat Sam looks at the American approach of employing 25 backroom staff to look after 80+ players, and somehow translates that to 28 staff to look after 30 odd players I never knew the NBA had squads of over 80+ players. Squad Depth FFS! NFL squads don't tend to have many more than 55 either, and have more backroom staff than 25 and all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Kansas City Chiefs picked at random Quarterbacks 12 Brodie Croyle 10 Trent Green 11 Damon Huard 7 Casey Printers 15 Jeff Terrell Running Backs 26 Michael Bennett 42 Ronnie Cruz FB 46 Boomer Grigsby FB/LB 43 Greg Hanoian FB 30 Gilbert Harris FB 31 Priest Holmes 27 Larry Johnson 38 Marcus O'Keith 34 Kolby Smith Wide Receivers 82 Dwayne Bowe 14 Brad Ekewerekwu 85 Rod Gardner 81 Chris Hannon 87 Eddie Kennison 18 Samie Parker 17 Maurice Price 9 Ean Randolph 6 Titus Ryan 80 Jeff Webb Tight Ends 47 Michael Allan 89 Jason Dunn 88 Tony Gonzalez 45 Wes Murphy 48 Keith Willis 84 Kris Wilson Offensive Linemen 66 George Batiste T 67 Chris Bober G/C 77 Damion McIntosh T 72 James Newby T 64 Rudy Niswanger C 75 Ramiro Pruneda T 79 Kevin Sampson T 71 Will Svitek T 65 Herb Taylor T 60 Chris Terry T 54 Brian Waters G 76 John Welbourn G/T 62 Casey Wiegmann C Defensive Linemen 69 Jared Allen DE 70 Alfonso Boone DT 71 Stanley Doughty DT 95 Ron Edwards DT 91 Tamba Hali DE 64 Chris Harris DE 61 Michael Heard DE 90 Claude McBride DE/DT 65 Matt McGlothlin DT 72 Montez Murphy DE 92 James Reed DT 93 DeMarcus Tyler DT 96 Jimmy Wilkerson DE Linebackers 99 Kendrell Bell OLB 66 Brian Crum LB 59 Donnie Edwards OLB 97 Keyaron Fox OLB 53 Kris Griffin OLB 50 Napoleon Harris ILB 98 Nate Harris ILB 60 David Hicks LB 56 Derrick Johnson OLB 52 William Kershaw OLB 55 Rich Scanlon ILB 94 Timi Wusu OLB Defensive Backs 34 Tyron Brackenridge CB 38 Michael Bragg CB 48 Robb Butler SS 30 Marlon Fair SS 41 Tony Franklin CB 24 Ty Law CB 45 Marcus Maxey CB 47 Jon McGraw SS 41 Zach Norton CB 44 Jarrad Page SS 39 Dimitri Patterson CB 40 Justin Phinisee CB 49 Bernard Pollard SS 20 Benny Sapp CB 23 Patrick Surtain CB 25 Greg Wesley SS Special Teams 5 Aaron Barret K 2 Dustin Colquitt P 51 Jean-Philippe Darche LS 8 Justin Medlock K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Well, the 28 people at Bolton covers administrative support according to the article so I'd guess that Shak is spot on to say NFL teams have more than that if you take that into consideration. They have about 10+ coaches over there. They leave nothing to chance. I'm rather pleased we are adopting a similar mentality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 What is tragic is that Sam has been working with these methods since 1999, 8 years later we are just looking into them and have some catching up to do. Good things come to those who wait though the sad thing is you honestly believe fat sam is the only bloke with this approach He is, unless you can name me another manager who has installed such a comprehensive and varied backroom team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 BTW how gutted is our mockney friend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 The practice squad, which will be trimmed quite significantly before the season starts. Basically in NFL pre-season you need more players to do all the training exercises, so players are brought in for a small wage and the majority will be cut before the actual season begins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 What is tragic is that Sam has been working with these methods since 1999, 8 years later we are just looking into them and have some catching up to do. Good things come to those who wait though the sad thing is you honestly believe fat sam is the only bloke with this approach He is, unless you can name me another manager who has installed such a comprehensive and varied backroom team? ah right, he is, unless I can prove otherwise? good one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 What is tragic is that Sam has been working with these methods since 1999, 8 years later we are just looking into them and have some catching up to do. Good things come to those who wait though the sad thing is you honestly believe fat sam is the only bloke with this approach He is, unless you can name me another manager who has installed such a comprehensive and varied backroom team? ah right, he is, unless I can prove otherwise? good one In fairness Steve, that's normally how you debate matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 What is tragic is that Sam has been working with these methods since 1999, 8 years later we are just looking into them and have some catching up to do. Good things come to those who wait though the sad thing is you honestly believe fat sam is the only bloke with this approach He is, unless you can name me another manager who has installed such a comprehensive and varied backroom team? ah right, he is, unless I can prove otherwise? good one In fairness Steve, that's normally how you debate matters. So you mean if I stated Shola is better than Henry I would have to actually explain why and it wouldn't just be seen as fact!? Fuck this message board malarky! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TampaToon Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 been saying this for ages. anyone who follows american sports knows that it's quite possible that even MLS teams have more comprehensive staffs than many premiership teams, and certainly NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL teams put a massive emphasis on conditioning, performance & strength coaches, trainers, rehab, and even specialized coaching and training by position. players are your biggest investment and fastest route to success, you should invest in their well-being and performance before anything. it's shocking that this isn't the norm in such a big sport, given the improvements it's yielded in the typical american pro athlete over the past couple of decades. glad newcastle's looking into this - like so many antiquated ideas, the newcastle "curse" may come down to science after all. an NFL roster consists of 53 players, for which there is 1 Head Coach, 2 Coordinators (Offensive & Defensive), about 5 position\assistant coaches per coordinator, and then 2 special teams coach. about 15 coaches for 53 players, and probably twice that in trainers, strength & conditioning staff, quality control coaches, film staff (every game and practice is filmed, and then there's a staff that edits the footage to the needs of each coach), masseuses, doctors, nutritionists, etc - like another poster said, nothing left to chance for baseball, a 25-man roster carries a manager, a bench coach, a pitching coach, a hitting coach, and then a 1st and 3rd base coach. 6 coaches for 25 big-league players, and again probably twice that in support staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 What is tragic is that Sam has been working with these methods since 1999, 8 years later we are just looking into them and have some catching up to do. Good things come to those who wait though the sad thing is you honestly believe fat sam is the only bloke with this approach He is, unless you can name me another manager who has installed such a comprehensive and varied backroom team? ah right, he is, unless I can prove otherwise? good one In fairness Steve, that's normally how you debate matters. So you mean if I stated Shola is better than Henry I would have to actually explain why and it wouldn't just be seen as fact!? Fuck this message board malarky! No, I meant he would probably ask you to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 What is tragic is that Sam has been working with these methods since 1999, 8 years later we are just looking into them and have some catching up to do. Good things come to those who wait though the sad thing is you honestly believe fat sam is the only bloke with this approach He is, unless you can name me another manager who has installed such a comprehensive and varied backroom team? ah right, he is, unless I can prove otherwise? good one In fairness Steve, that's normally how you debate matters. So you mean if I stated Shola is better than Henry I would have to actually explain why and it wouldn't just be seen as fact!? Fuck this message board malarky! No, I meant he would probably ask you to. Bugger! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Vic's back. I bet he went to put his Raiders' top on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Raiders would suit him tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Raiders would suit him tbh. I thought he did follow them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Tight Ends 47 Michael Allan 89 Jason Dunn 88 Tony Gonzalez 45 Wes Murphy 48 Keith Willis 84 Kris Wilson ROFL Must be something to aspire to being a tight end for the rest of your career ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Raiders would suit him tbh. I thought he did follow them. Dunno, suppose he might. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 What is tragic is that Sam has been working with these methods since 1999, 8 years later we are just looking into them and have some catching up to do. Good things come to those who wait though the sad thing is you honestly believe fat sam is the only bloke with this approach He is, unless you can name me another manager who has installed such a comprehensive and varied backroom team? ah right, he is, unless I can prove otherwise? good one Well come on then, lets see those other clubs with such a set-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 What is tragic is that Sam has been working with these methods since 1999, 8 years later we are just looking into them and have some catching up to do. Good things come to those who wait though the sad thing is you honestly believe fat sam is the only bloke with this approach He is, unless you can name me another manager who has installed such a comprehensive and varied backroom team? ah right, he is, unless I can prove otherwise? good one Well come on then, lets see those other clubs with such a set-up. Arsenal Milan Barcelona Ajax Just four off the top like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 What is tragic is that Sam has been working with these methods since 1999, 8 years later we are just looking into them and have some catching up to do. Good things come to those who wait though the sad thing is you honestly believe fat sam is the only bloke with this approach He is, unless you can name me another manager who has installed such a comprehensive and varied backroom team? ah right, he is, unless I can prove otherwise? good one Well come on then, lets see those other clubs with such a set-up. Arsenal Milan Barcelona Ajax Just four off the top like. Clubs we aspire to... Hence Big Sam's appointment and the need for these changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 What is tragic is that Sam has been working with these methods since 1999, 8 years later we are just looking into them and have some catching up to do. Good things come to those who wait though the sad thing is you honestly believe fat sam is the only bloke with this approach He is, unless you can name me another manager who has installed such a comprehensive and varied backroom team? ah right, he is, unless I can prove otherwise? good one Well come on then, lets see those other clubs with such a set-up. Arsenal Milan Barcelona Ajax Just four off the top like. Clubs we aspire to... Hence Big Sam's appointment and the need for these changes. Agree with that totally and it won't take as long as people think once we get the right habits. Probably add Spurs to that list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Anyway, to answer Vic's question. Big Sam is clearly the only bloke with this approach we could attract/who would come here. Mind, we could have at least asked Milan, Barca, Arsenal, Spurs or Ajax for their manager first, or Vic's fave Klinsmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Anyway, to answer Vic's question. Big Sam is clearly the only bloke with this approach we could attract/who would come here. Mind, we could have at least asked Milan, Barca, Arsenal, Spurs or Ajax for their manager first, or Vic's fave Klinsmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted May 29, 2007 Share Posted May 29, 2007 Anyway, to answer Vic's question. Big Sam is clearly the only bloke with this approach we could attract/who would come here. Mind, we could have at least asked Milan, Barca, Arsenal, Spurs or Ajax for their manager first, or Vic's fave Klinsmann have you forgotten what has just happened these past two weeks? you might be over the moon settling for fat Sam as the only shitebag we could get (ignoring the fact he was Fred's choice for 3 years now), some of us have more sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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