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That's because Emre's poor games are when he's stuck in the middle with Parker. exactly, it should be Butt/Parker or Butt/Emre Or even Butt/Dyer. Parker is the problem. Can't believe you agree with an opinion of mine. Well done, Vicki.

Well, even putting that comment on one side, Butt is a superior player than Parker in all respects as a holding midfielder. At this point in time I agree. I just think that Parker should be superior, now and for the future. Fuckwit didn't buy him for any other role did he? Emre clearly isn't a holding player, so if Roeder is picking Parker as his holding midfielder, he needs to make him play that way, rather than running around doing a whole bag of nothing. I'm not sure why you think Parker should be superior to Butt in a role which is a natural one for Butt, but isn't a natural one for Parker. I really think you're over-rating Parker, Dave. You mention Souness because he signed Parker. Well this is the same bloke who signed Luque, a player he claimed at the time was signed for the left side but someone many people believe is a striker, and is a player who can't fit into a standard 4-4-2. On that basis signing a player like this makes sense for Souness because he never wanted to use 4-4-2, did he? Well the natural conclusion to draw from that is that many of the players he signed weren't signed with a 4-4-2 in mind. Perhaps Parker is another one who doesn't fit into that standard 4-4-2, given that he has neither the attributes to be a holding midfielder or an effective attacking one in that setup. Most people, including professional pundits, two Newcastle managers, the Chelsea manager and the England manager think he's a holding midfielder. Whether it's natural or not, he's just not doing the job properly at the moment. That's why I blame the management for not coaching him correctly. Agree to disagree. Not the first time. Parker is admired for his energy and commitment and imo that clouds the judgement of the people you mention. They can't see the wood for the trees. So yes, we'll have to agree to disagree. You think it's the coaching, I think it's a lack of ability on the part of the player.

Well, even putting that comment on one side, Butt is a superior player than Parker in all respects as a holding midfielder. At this point in time I agree. I just think that Parker should be superior, now and for the future. Fuckwit didn't buy him for any other role did he? Emre clearly isn't a holding player, so if Roeder is picking Parker as his holding midfielder, he needs to make him play that way, rather than running around doing a whole bag of nothing. I'm not sure why you think Parker should be superior to Butt in a role which is a natural one for Butt, but isn't a natural one for Parker. I really think you're over-rating Parker, Dave. You mention Souness because he signed Parker. Well this is the same bloke who signed Luque, a player he claimed at the time was signed for the left side but someone many people believe is a striker, and is a player who can't fit into a standard 4-4-2. On that basis signing a player like this makes sense for Souness because he never wanted to use 4-4-2, did he? Well the natural conclusion to draw from that is that many of the players he signed weren't signed with a 4-4-2 in mind. Perhaps Parker is another one who doesn't fit into that standard 4-4-2, given that he has neither the attributes to be a holding midfielder or an effective attacking one in that setup.

Well, even putting that comment on one side, Butt is a superior player than Parker in all respects as a holding midfielder.

Aye.

Errr, well what if they are doing that but he's not doing it? How do you know? In any case, just telling a player to occupy a certain area doesn't make him a good quality holding midfielder. They could tell me to occupy that area and I'd do it, but I'd be shit at that level of football. Obviously I don't know what they are telling him. Nobody on here can know. If we go on that basis then there wouldn't be any discussion. At the moment he seems to be running himself into the ground and not really doing anything; Jack of all trades, master of none. I'm pointing my finger at the coaching staff, as in my opinion that's where the fault lies. Doesn't mean i'm right. Butt hasn't the energy, commitment, skill or goal threat of Parker (he has scored goals this season and previously), but he can do the simple things and works well - within his capabilities. Things that Parker should be capable of. I think that Parker should be in the first team, but at this time he's not deserving to be. Well we won't agree. I think Parker has very liimited abililty, you think it's down to the coaching staff. I don't care whether or not Butt has any goal threat, what we need is a proper holding midfielder and Butt is the only one we have. He doesn't have to have any goal threat, just the fact he can do the job properly will enable the entire team to function better and that will bring about a greater goal threat. As it happens though Parker has very little goal threat imo. Just check how many goals he's scored during his career and you'll see what I mean. I don't think he's even reached double figures over about 5 or 6 seasons. If he has then it's only just into double figures.

We do better when he leaves Parker out, it's nowt to do with loads of other players being unavailable. It's to do with the better balance when Parker is out of the team. Unfortunately Roeder has made the mistake of making Parker team captain, indicating that he's an automatic choice and is something which I remain gutted about.

It's worth mentioning that he should should get slated everytime he opens his gob no matter what he says. In my opinion. The way the joker tries to cling to some affiliation with the NE based on 3 seasons at the club is pathetic.

Errr, well what if they are doing that but he's not doing it? How do you know? In any case, just telling a player to occupy a certain area doesn't make him a good quality holding midfielder. They could tell me to occupy that area and I'd do it, but I'd be shit at that level of football.

Because it's a specialist role, it's not as easy as it looks and comes naturally to some players and is alien to others. He did alright there last season. I don't agree. We always looked better without him.

The coaching staff need to spot that Emre is better getting forward and coach Parker to hold properly. How do you do that, Dave? Seriously? It's like saying the coaching staff should turn Ameobi into a Shearer like goal machine. There has to be some talent for the role to begin with, but in Parkers case, there's none as a holding midfielder. He's not a holding midfielder at all. The only reason people seem to think he can do that role is because he throws himself into tackles. I don't think he's better than average at anything else a midfielder does either. Does he drive forward the way Emre was doing? And the way Dyer was doing when he drifted inside today? No, he doesn't do those things and that's because he doesn't have the ability. It's nowt to do with the coaching staff, mate.

Because it's a specialist role, it's not as easy as it looks and comes naturally to some players and is alien to others.

Agreed.

At the moment when someone registers with the forum they're asked to confirm they're at least 13 years of age. An excellent use of the national ID card would be the forum owners requiring a person to *prove* their DOB when registering, proving that they are at least 13. On that basis we'd be spared these shite threads, being as how this idiot wouldn't have been granted membership.

Confirmation that you're a bit slow....... No doubt if some reporter had written in a newspaper that they're worried you'd have been worried a bit earlier.

Given Taylor Bramble Ramage N'Zogbia Solano Dyer Butt Luque Martins Sibierski Yes, I'd chance it with the waster Luque because I'm so desperate to see Ramage out of the LB slot. If Carr is fit he'd come in at RB.

Probably somewhere between your retarded poll #2000 and #2001. What a loser. post number 2000 and a half? riiiight You obviously don't realise how much of a saddo you appear that you go around mentioning other members in loads of threads. You're a soft shite, tbh. And as I already said, a total loser anarl. ****ing shattered tbh. bluecry.gif No, just a mentally challenged, soft shite tbh.

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Probably somewhere between your retarded poll #2000 and #2001. What a loser. post number 2000 and a half? riiiight You obviously don't realise how much of a saddo you appear that you go around mentioning other members in loads of threads. You're a soft shite, tbh. And as I already said, a total loser anarl.

I'm sure Freddy Fletcher was given the lions share of brownie points for bringing Keegan to the club as manager during the SOS fiasco when he was getting stick from the fans for his part in that, I can't prove it as it's just my memory. As for the board taking us forward since 1992, that was under the guidance of Sir John Hall, we've gone a long way backwards under Shepherd. We've gone from 2nd in the Premiership to where we are now, 17th and on the same number of points as Sheffield United who are in a relegation position. As for a manager like Keegan instantly putting things right, that's probably true, the thing is, Shepherd thinks that Souness and Roeder are the men to do that. Souness was the man to improve on 5th in the league and Roeder was the man to improve on 14th which he did for one half season but is so far failing to do this season, he could possibly fail to beat what Souness did in his one and only full season. Also, think about this, shitty Ellis spent less than us and still finished above us in the league, more times than we finished above them with Shepherd steering the ship. Spending money is useless and just turns a potential profit into a loss without any gain for the club if the club can't appoint a manager who can spend the money wisely, Factamundo. Spending is useless when you go backwards while doing it, spending is only of use when it improves you as a club and as a team, we've got nothing for the money spent so we've failed as a club, again, Factamundo. The situation of the Club and its performance over the past 3 years tell the whole tale of its decline under the DIRECTION of Shepherd as Chairman - 'FACTAMUNDO' !! Good that you realise the decline during the latter stages of Robson's time and the massive mistake of appointing Souness as his replacement. Most of us have known that for ages though, but at least you got there in the end.

Probably somewhere between your retarded poll #2000 and #2001. What a loser.

well yes, actually I think there is, Its probable that when asked to fund the purchase of a player, executive x would expect to see something from scout/ manager etc to back up the price tag and reasoning from manager during a meeting as to the merits of said player/ who he would be replacing/ why hes needed etc. Shepherd on the other hand does not appear to do these things, purchases players off his own back (allegedly), has a son who now scouts for us "eeeeeh our Fatty Jr is geet good at his job hes spotted some young talent who Im going to pay 15million for" As for the end result: I dont doubt that as a fan Shepherd wants to see this club win things however deep down he wants to make money, that in itself is not a bad thing, fair play to him we all want to make cash. He however would appear to make financial decisions on behalf of the club which are done to benefit him (as an example see the whole warehouse and brother fiasco). If executive x was to be running it then yes, they would want to make cash but you would hope would have a long term plan and run it in a businesslike manner. Im fairly sure that executive x would also keep his/her gob firmly shut except during the shareholders meetings. Unconfirmed speculation, mate. Fact is, if it got out that the manager wanted to sign 'x' player but was over-ruled by Fred with the reason given that Fred thinks the player isn't worth signing all hell would break out. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't yet again. Surprised at you, like. What is your opinion about Sir Bobby saying that Shepherd tried to sell players behind his back? My opinion is that I'm not happy about it IF it's true, I don't know that it is. Are you happy with the principle of interference in team affairs by the Board of a football club? Do you want a Board that interferes, meaning you don't slag them when they do. Or do you think a Board should allow the manager free reign, which means you don't slag the Board for giving the manager free reign? You can't have both, obviously.

True, but it's obvious that some people aren't looking at performances, they have their favourite(s) and want them in the team no matter what the evidence. I don't know anyone who despises Parker, tbh.

well yes, actually I think there is, Its probable that when asked to fund the purchase of a player, executive x would expect to see something from scout/ manager etc to back up the price tag and reasoning from manager during a meeting as to the merits of said player/ who he would be replacing/ why hes needed etc. Shepherd on the other hand does not appear to do these things, purchases players off his own back (allegedly), has a son who now scouts for us "eeeeeh our Fatty Jr is geet good at his job hes spotted some young talent who Im going to pay 15million for" As for the end result: I dont doubt that as a fan Shepherd wants to see this club win things however deep down he wants to make money, that in itself is not a bad thing, fair play to him we all want to make cash. He however would appear to make financial decisions on behalf of the club which are done to benefit him (as an example see the whole warehouse and brother fiasco). If executive x was to be running it then yes, they would want to make cash but you would hope would have a long term plan and run it in a businesslike manner. Im fairly sure that executive x would also keep his/her gob firmly shut except during the shareholders meetings. Unconfirmed speculation, mate. Fact is, if it got out that the manager wanted to sign 'x' player but was over-ruled by Fred with the reason given that Fred thinks the player isn't worth signing all hell would break out. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't yet again. Surprised at you, like.

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