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thats a fair comment, so I'll give you a straight answer. If you want to know about the club before your time and learn from its history, why no try listening and taking it in ? FWIW, I don't mind and wouldn't mind at all - observations you make, but constant bluesleep.gif signs aren't contributing to anything other than giving the impression that you think what we say about the clubs history to be either incorrect or irrelevant, or both. You should also note that these sort of discussions aren't normally started by either myself of HTL, most of my posts are a response. My comments towards Mick are based on the impression that I have, which is that he is a KK bandwagon jumper. That is not the same as younger lads like yourself and others who can't support the club for geographical, financial or other reasons. I didn't used to think he was but I do now due to his opinion that the has club not made massive progress under this board, which is complete rubbish, nobody who supported the club earlier says this. This is absolutely correct, and has been backed up with solid fact, whether it has gone pear shaped over the last few years is a different point, the attitude and setup of the club whatever its faults is light years superior to what it was, and we can advocate replacing the board if we like but there is no guarantee a new board will be better, have ambition, have the interests of the club at heart, and won't be after a quick killing and sell it on again quickly, any scenario is possible. The club has not made progress under this chairman and that will not change, no matter how much you try to spin it out to look as if it has, 2nd to 17th is not progress, cash rich to debt is not progress. You're pathetic, you're trying to give Shepherd credit for what Sir John did while chairman, the record under Shepherd is of failure except for 3 seasons while Robson was manager, the rest is shite. Well said mate. What happened in the past under Westwood, McKeag et al is completely irrelevant to how Shepherd has managed the club in all honesty. Like you say, he took over a financially healthy and vibrant football club from Sir John Hall and has slowly reduced us to an average club with apathetic support, that is up to it's eyes in debt...........whilst rewarding himself huge sums of money in the process. I really can't see how people can honestly continue to support Shepherd. nobody is "supporting" Shepherd, but I can't honestly see how "anyone but Fred" can be good for the club. There are people out there who are far worse and would be. Do you think Shepherd/the current board would have sold Beardsley, Gazza and Waddle ? Like I said, what the previous boards did is totally irrelevant to how Shepherd has managed the club. You're right, it could be a whole lot worse with another Chairman........but it could and should be a whole lot better. I can think of at least 10 Chairmen in the Premier League who have done a much better job at their respective clubs than Shepherd has. Why should we settle for second rate management just because we had it in the past? The club is dying on it's feet and only heading in one direction, so personally, I'd rather take a gamble on a new owner than continue with the fucking shambolic state that the club is in at present.

thats a fair comment, so I'll give you a straight answer. If you want to know about the club before your time and learn from its history, why no try listening and taking it in ? FWIW, I don't mind and wouldn't mind at all - observations you make, but constant bluesleep.gif signs aren't contributing to anything other than giving the impression that you think what we say about the clubs history to be either incorrect or irrelevant, or both. You should also note that these sort of discussions aren't normally started by either myself of HTL, most of my posts are a response. My comments towards Mick are based on the impression that I have, which is that he is a KK bandwagon jumper. That is not the same as younger lads like yourself and others who can't support the club for geographical, financial or other reasons. I didn't used to think he was but I do now due to his opinion that the has club not made massive progress under this board, which is complete rubbish, nobody who supported the club earlier says this. This is absolutely correct, and has been backed up with solid fact, whether it has gone pear shaped over the last few years is a different point, the attitude and setup of the club whatever its faults is light years superior to what it was, and we can advocate replacing the board if we like but there is no guarantee a new board will be better, have ambition, have the interests of the club at heart, and won't be after a quick killing and sell it on again quickly, any scenario is possible. The club has not made progress under this chairman and that will not change, no matter how much you try to spin it out to look as if it has, 2nd to 17th is not progress, cash rich to debt is not progress. You're pathetic, you're trying to give Shepherd credit for what Sir John did while chairman, the record under Shepherd is of failure except for 3 seasons while Robson was manager, the rest is shite. Well said mate. What happened in the past under Westwood, McKeag et al is completely irrelevant to how Shepherd has managed the club in all honesty. Like you say, he took over a financially healthy and vibrant football club from Sir John Hall and has slowly reduced us to an average club with apathetic support, that is up to it's eyes in debt...........whilst rewarding himself huge sums of money in the process. I really can't see how people can honestly continue to support Shepherd.

Was playing for their reserves against the Spurs youngsters last night and was one of the worst players on the pitch by all accounts. He may have been distracted to be fair.

No, it would be yet another ludicrous FS appointment.

I think it would be a right laugh.

http://www.nufcpics.com/pictures_100591/Richard-Dinnis.jpg http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mickzoe/picfolder/mira/mcfaul.JPG http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icnewcastle/apr2006/7/4/00077A92-F850-1430-B4090C01AC1BF814.jpg Anybody got a familiar feeling?

Sol Campbell was desperate to come but Roeder turned him down. Destroyed.

Bellamy.................and the £4m change to buy a half decent centre half. :wullie:

Corrected for you.

Fucking hell, this better not be true. :wullie:

Shepherd 100%. The bloke's a fucking clown.

What the hell are you talking about Red Ronaldo Robot To the cluless fans like you Duff was the best player...You must like wasteful players a lot...I probably should have guessed that from your avatar I'm amazed at how stupid you're willing to make yourself look in defense of that useless arsehole. He did nothing last night to earn anyone defending his performance. He tracked his marker when we had the ball, he never came near or far post when we had the ball in advanced positions, preferring to plonk himself between both central defenders, making it impossible for a team mate to find him. In short he was completely shit and disinterested, and still the fan boys like you can't see it. Is the right answer. He's either a) shit or b) not interested........either way, he's of no use to this club so we should get rid at the first chance.

Thought he was a parcel of shite again yesterday and was highly amused with the 'Luque Crew' zanies at the back of the Gallowgate today...........spent the whole match singing Luque songs.....and booing Nicky Butt. Crazy kids.

It's nothing to do with being fickle or getting on Roeder's back...you're missing the point entirely. It's everything to do with our chairman, (who told us that he would take his time and appoint a world class manager) getting the appointment spectacularly wrong again. Do you honestly believe Roeder was the best candidate for the job? Do you think it is an ambitious appointment? Do you think Roeder would get the job at Chelsea, Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal or even Spurs? Would he fuck. Freddie will appoint Roeder because a) he's cheap b) he'll keep the seat warm 'til Shearer fancies it and c) he knows the majority of fans will let him get away with it. Mediocrity here we come...........what a fucking joke.

Don't think about them, name them. It's a discussion board thats how it works Hitzfeld Scolari Sven Mancini O'Neill Deuchamps Le Guen (Could have if Freddie moved quicker) Thats just off the top of my head, It seems Freddie put all his eggs in one basket with O'Neill with no thouight of a back up which has left us with Roeder. A joke. Despite all his wind and piss about waiting and getting in a "top class manager", it's yet another second rate appointment from a third rate chairman. Still, the money he saves in having to pay the wages of a decent manager, should see him and Douglas alright for dividends come November. What a fucking joke.

I'm sure Mourinho, Ferguson, Benitez, Jol and Wenger are shitting themselves. :roll: McFaul II.

He's a great bloke and he's done a good job but it would be huge mistake in my opinion.........McFaul II.