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If you give £50m to a fool he'll waste it, but you can't blame him, that's what fools do. Blame yourself, you knew he was a fool - or at least you should have, only a fool woudn't have known - and you still gave him the money. I think we all know who "you" is here. Everyone knew Souness wasn't up to the job, everyone except Fred that is, I think even Souness realised it wasn't going to work out pretty quickly and that's why he gave up, but he was too proud to admit it. Fred was the one who was flogging a dead horse, by giving Souness all that money to waste, again you can't really blame Souness for spending it, that's what managers do, good ones spend it wisely, bad ones don't.

People were saying Souness needed time and money because he did, all managers do, we knew he wasn't going to get sacked or would be able to do anything without some money so what did you expect people's reactions to be to his appointment which BTW I can't remember one single person on or offline being happy with? I doubt anyone was happy with being forced into saying he needs money and time, I know I wasn't because I knew it would all end in tears the day he was appointed because he was shit and proved that, but when your club makes an appointment you can do two things, accept it and hope for the best or withdraw your support. Just because some fans didn't prefer to piss and moan at every turn doesn't mean they are responsible for Souness just like some preferring to piss and moan at every turn didn't undermine him or make his job harder. Don't blame fans for Souness, blame who appointed him and the man himself for failing, not to mention his players. BTW when it looked like we were going to sack Souness many predicted today's state of affairs, i.e. that Souness wasn't the main problem and that just with his sacking, those problems would go away, which many people thought would happen. I maintained all along that getting rid of Souness would just be akin to a token gesture. Read the "are we better off today than under Souness thread". In some ways we are but in some we aren't and in many ways things just haven't changed. FWIW I absolve Roeder of any blame for the state of affairs, he is way out of his depth and I pretty much expected things to turn sour following his appointment because he's an average manager, some would say shite, and our performances and points tally reflect this fact so if anything, he's doing the job his ability allows him to do, i.e. not an awful lot. I just hope fans don't turn on what is essentially a good man who for what he did last season, deserves our forgiveness for any shite performance or poor league finish that comes our way. As with Souness, Roeder isn't the problem. There is a malaise at the club that has slowly built up at the club since KK left and the change of ownership took effect/or control and we are now feeling the full effect of this cancer. That bit applied to Souness and all.

Wasn't the first, won't be the last, what is it with us and knackering young talent?

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/72042199.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A687EE73F504955CF9810F755E003CBEB8 Pav's saying: I know I have been away for a while, but I'm not having it that these new balls electrocute you when you catch them. If you want to keep your starting place you'll just have to stop fucking up instead.

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I can't see even the remotest possibility of us ending up with anyone better, until that changes, it's a bad idea to get rid of Roeder. Fat Fred has already got a reputation as a trigger-happy chairman and too many times he's pulled that trigger without the faintest idea what to do next. If he does it again we will seriously struggle to attract anyone with any kind of reputation to take over as manager and that'll just make things worse. Before anyone says it, Shearer is NOT the answer.

All of it, it seems.

It's alright mate. At the moment you have to post a new thread in the post moderation forum then it's ok'd (or not) by one of us (mods) and we put it in the appropriate forum. It's just a trial though and it's going to be dumped in a matter of days, because people didn't like it, at which point it'll be back to the usual method.

Him and Shola were really good today, they bullied the West Ham back four all match, I bet they have the bruises to show for it. He did put in a lot of work coming back into the midfield and winning the ball and got that block in right near the end - with his hand like!!

Sppedball 2, I love that game.

No wonder, you're missing a keeper.

Stickied.

I'm in.