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Have a read of this if you can be bothered, I reckon it gives a perfect account of what's happened since the PL was born http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2011/aug/16/premier-league-football-ticket-prices

I half agree with that, if people behind them ask them to sit then aye, that's only fair. If you're stood in the last few rows or whatever and everyone's fine with standing then I'd ignore the stewards and join in the the inevitable chorus of stand up if you love the toon. If you're stuck behind a group of people standing as I said (hence if you're forced to stand then that means you're in the minority) then it's different, I don't think one person should get a whole section sat down just because they don't like it, especially on the basis that there's roughly 50,000 other seats they could choose to sit in wheras the amount of standing is fucking tiny.

I didn't say he wasn't, I was saying his post didn't at all relate to what I was saying, how can you not see that This. I never said it was an excuse for them to stand. I was pointing out the club wouldn't act on standing if there was several thousand people doing it, as seen in previous seasons. I then said if it was the same situation in the SE corner that they wouldn't do anything. I then, however, said that as things stand the people who are stood in the SE corner are an easy target. Yet for some reason you then say this is no excuse for those currently standing and blocking peoples views, which doesn't even relate to any point I was making. The only point in my post was that when everyone in an area wants to stand then nothing will be done, which you clearly agree with me based on the first sentance of that post. The rest I have no idea why you added as I never claimed it was an excuse for standing.

Seriously, Madras, do you read my posts? I clearly said that as things stand the people that are standing in the SE corner are an easy target, I wouldn't be that shocked if something happens to them. Your post is completely baffling given what my post said, it's almost like you want to jump on the back of those standing in the corner at any oppertunity regardless of what I say. I'm lost for words really

I'm not talking about it being safe standing, just people standing infront of their seats like in the away end of SJP and the last few seasons in the Leazes Corner. If everyone stood in the SE Corner nobody would get banned as they couldn't enforce it. Either way over the next few seasons I've got a feeling more people will start moving to the SE corner for the atmosphere/to stand, I can only hope. Of course they can. They warn you, they formally warn you with a letter then they cancel your ticket so you can't get in the ground. If a steward asks you to sit down during the game and you refuse/kick up a fuss and they make a note of your seat you've not got a leg to stand on. It might not mean the coppers ejecting you during the course of a game but the stewards will quickly get sick of telling the same people to sit down. It'll start with a few and snowball if the rest don't fall into line. Didn't happen for many a season in the Leazes L7 and then 3 seasons in the Leazes Corner. If they enforced it with thousands of people standing (like I said, if everyone there stood, as things do stand at small numbers then aye they're an easy target) then they'd never have the balls to ban thousands of fans from the ground, it's not happened at a single club in England as far as I'm aware and I severly doubt we'd be the first to attempt it. Edit: Suppose I should have said wouldn't than couldn't, but point still stands. They could, but like I said I very much doubt they'd dare ban thousands of ST holders from the ground.

I'm not talking about it being safe standing, just people standing infront of their seats like in the away end of SJP and the last few seasons in the Leazes Corner. If everyone stood in the SE Corner nobody would get banned as they couldn't enforce it. Either way over the next few seasons I've got a feeling more people will start moving to the SE corner for the atmosphere/to stand, I can only hope.

You're right. Ever been to an away game? Hope you sat down and reported all those rascals around you for standing. After all it's proven just how unsafe it is to stand on your own 2 feet. Look,I don't disagree with you,I believe there should be standing areas in grounds. I stood watching football for 20 years and I far preferred it to sitting. The fact is,since 1989 and Hillsboro, Lord Justice Taylor outlawed standing areas,and now they don't exist at top flight grounds. I think the last time I stood at a game legally would have been at Selhurst Park in 1994ish? for Ruel Fox's debut vs. Wimbledon. When something exciting happens,ie,we are in a very promising attacking position,you naturally stand ,but only until the move ends,not for the whole match...it isn't fair for your fellow fans who don't want to/cannot stand for long periods. You're right, I'm not trying to argue with anyone here. There's not a single point there I don't agree with. Of course it isn't fair to stand infront of those wanting to sit, but surely if you look at the bigger picture - the fact those who want to stand have now had to move several times, then the outcry over fans having to move a few rows down or to any other section of the ground isn't that bad, in my honest opinion. People aren't standing to be cunts and spoil peoples match day experience, they just want to re-produce the atmosphere Newcastle is apparently famous for. People can claim it can be just as good sitting all they want - all I know is the atmosphere can be pretty fucking terrible at SJP, yet look at games like the Sunderland 5-1 and the whole ground was on it's feet for the majority of the game, and as you can guess, the place was bouncing.

Because that's what they should be doing if there are people behind them sitting. All the same, well done to them for finding the mental strength and determination to sit down for an hour and a half Mentioned it because people were saying that everyone was moving down from level 7 and standing/causing bother despite people telling them to sit down, tarring them all with the same brush. Just wanted to point out that plenty didn't cause any hassle. I thought this was pretty obvious.

You're right. Ever been to an away game? Hope you sat down and reported all those rascals around you for standing. After all it's proven just how unsafe it is to stand on your own 2 feet.

What arguement? That we should be able to stand? I'm not trying to back up standing by saying you can't get arrested for it, was just stating it as a fact. However fact of the matter is a majority of clubs turn a blind eye to persistant standing as they know it causes no harm (other than on stairs etc, which is fine) and so did we until the LC was closed. No club has ever been in bother because of standing, all we've ever seen is away allocation cuts from local councils. I also don't think it's fair to call someone a cunt for wanting to stand at a foobtall match for fucks sake. Fair enough if they're the only ones and are blocking the views of people and not being considerate, but if they're stood in a big group that continues in every row behind them as we saw in the LC then I don't see the problem. On top of that I've read a few comments from people who'd moved down from level 7 and sat for the entire game, were disappointed that they had to but had respect for those around them and remained seated. Don't see that getting mentioned in this thread, mind...

I think you can be thrown out, but you can´t get arrested or fined as it´s not breaking the law. Unless you resist or something that is, then they can of course arrest you for that or other similar offenses. Sounds right to me aye. I think I'm right in saying that the law is that a ground must be all seater in order to be granted a safety certificate for it to be allowed to be used as a venue. Standing in a stadium, in law, is not an offence.

It's against ground regulations, which is why a police officer can't touch you on the basis that all you're doing is standing, as it's not breaking any law. Job for the stewards.

Canny outburst I had my season ticket moved (for nowt) a couple seasons ago so assumed you still could. If you can't then fair enough I don't know, I just prefer standing, sorry? Thousands of people stood at SJP last season and thousands stand all over the country every week. Personally if I pay alot of money for a season ticket I want to go and stand, sing, get behind the team and back the lads. I know this can be done when sitting as well, but for me max enjoyment at a match is when I'm stood. I actually hate sitting down and find it boring as fuck, it just feels wrong, and for me that's not what going to the match is about. Again bare in mind, this is just my opinion, I don't have a single problem with anyone who wants to sit which is exactly why I'm so vocal for the need of standing areas in order to avoid all this daft conflict. It's not like those who want to stand are some mad minority, I know thousands of others can relate and I've never seen our lot sitting down at an away, whats the difference with wanting to stand at home?

I'm just going to stop replying, because not only are you devoid of being reasonable enough to take any of the points I make on board, you also just completely ignore them and continue spouting shite. Literally having a go at people you've never met and basing your opinion on nothing other than the fact you can't understand why people are standing. You've somehow come to the ridiculous conclusion that they're doing it to deliberatly ruin peoples matchday experience :lol: Your post is complete bullshit, btw. I'd take it apart just like I just did before, but there's no point as you can't admit when you're wrong, I actually seriously question whether you even read what I wrote. It's not even against the law to stand in a football ground, btw

Um, how's it wrong? You claimed my idea of going about having a standing section was going and standing infront of people on purpose so they can't see: To which I replied the move to the SE corner was 3rd choice on the list of actions made to organise fans to stand. So how am I 'wrong'? Standing could be a reason why it was shut, I don't dispute that, although you would hope the club would have been able to predict people would stand in a singing section, especially since 1,000 or so standers from the Leazes L7 were being moved into it, non? That plus it took 3 seasons of 3,000 people standing for them to eventually close it, in my mind if they were closing it because of standing then they'd have made it clear in order to send a strong message out that they won't tolerate it again. Couldn't give a shit about anyone else? OK. You're coming to your own conclusions and you're welcome to your own opinion. But look at the facts that people were happy to stay in the LC, they then attempted to move down to an unpopulated section (in other words giving as much as a shit as they could about other fans) and it's clear that those who want to stand have been backed into a corner to the point where they're now having to argue with fellow fans. Like I said before, I feel for those who want to move because they want to sit, but their numbers pale in comparison to the amount who've been forced to move 3 times: from Leazes L7 to the LC, LC to Level 4 and then eventually to the Gallowgate. I don't want to have a go, but you're not being at all reasonable mate

No, the right way to go about it was having the singing section, which we got. That got closed so fans went the right way about things by spreading the word to move down to the least populated section of the stadium ST wise to Level 4. That then got closed. So fans organised to move down to an area where a couple of rows already stand. In the process what sounds like a couple of people have had their view obscured, which is of course not ideal but it's not as if they can't move a couple rows down/anywhere the fuck they want. Don't know why you're so mad.

Instead of coming up with so many ideas yourself why don't you actually look into the issue. Then you'd see that a few of the things you said are indeed correct and mentioned within the links I've provided. They'd be cheaper as they'd fit more people into an area since they're stood, as showcased here, a section of 4 seats would allow 8 people to stand: You can find out more about the source of these pictures from here http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/home If so then why are safe standing sections always packed in Germany? Why do people still stand on terraces in the lower leagues when they have the option to sit? Sorry mate but what you've just said is complete shite. Comparing standing on a metro to standing and singing at a football match ffs, give over.

You're wrong on several levels. Firstly people aren't arguing for terracing, they want safe standing (which is what they have in Germany, not terraces). The argument is overwhelmingly in favour of safe standing, it is safe, cheaper and is what people want. If you don't agree I suggest you pay attention next time you watch MOTD and see how many people stand in the premier league. We're talking about full stands as well, not just a few blocks. Not to mention most away crowds will stand all game. Search on Youtube for safe standing if you want to learn more. So I'm supposed to look at a video on youtube thats biased in the fact that it wants to bring back safe standing made by supporters of safe standing and not actually take into account the other facts around safe standing that is ignored by these youtube videos and has not been carried out by an independent survey? Well there's a documentary on there which I helped to make, interviewing an employee of Sunderland council who was behind cutting away allocations for fans standing, Don Foster MP, a police officer from Northumbria police and a representative from the Football Supporters Federation. None have any reason to be bias towards standing. The FSF are in favour of safe standing because it has been used in Germany for many years without any problems, they are a group that represent fans so why would they endorse something that could put fans in any danger? You can read their in depth report on safe standing here which includes their survey of fans opinions on standing. Safe standing is safe, so are terraces infact. Over how many years of their use (still seen in league 1 and below to this day) have we seen any accidents as a direct result of them? Very little, hillsborough had nothing todo with terraces, it was fences and too many people in an area not built to hold them all. People would get crushed to death at sjp if there was way too many people inside and fences at the front of the stand, it's not a direct link to terraces/standing at all. Like I said watch the video on youtube, it's impartial and will let you make your own mind up.

You're wrong on several levels. Firstly people aren't arguing for terracing, they want safe standing (which is what they have in Germany, not terraces). The argument is overwhelmingly in favour of safe standing, it is safe, cheaper and is what people want. If you don't agree I suggest you pay attention next time you watch MOTD and see how many people stand in the premier league. We're talking about full stands as well, not just a few blocks. Not to mention most away crowds will stand all game. Search on Youtube for safe standing if you want to learn more.

Why should people have to move though? Of course they shouldn't, but on the other hand it's not as if they're the only ones, considering everyone over 18 from the LC had to move. In fact I can say without any doubt that more people will have had to move from L7 than those who'd have to move away from the corner so they can sit, of course it's unfair but where's the outcry for those in L7? It's shit as fuck, I've been at away games and felt like a cunt standing infront of older people but that's the nature of the game. Nobody should have to move but obviously we can't all have our way. It's not as if people who want to stand have an option to move elsewhere, and it's not as if they didn't try (see level 4 fiasco). I know it's against regulations so it's easy to dismiss my argument saying they shouldn't be standing in the first place, but look at any stadium in the world and you'll see that a good atmosphere goes hand in hand with standing. Not only that but people want to stand and their opinion should be just as valid as anyone elses.

I love the irony of the fact people on here claim the level 7 lot think they're better than everyone, yet we have people from other parts of the ground claiming for some reason the amount of years you've had a season ticket somehow makes your opinion more important. Why don't they get stick? I couldn't give a fuck if you've had a season ticket since St James' was built, tbh. I'm delighted to hear a more people were standing, hopefully it continues to grow over the following seasons. Nobody is to blame other than the cunts that shut off L7, while I sympathise with those who are forced to stand against their will this only makes it evident how much a standing section is required. Plus if you're forced to stand then that means you're in the minority of people wanting to sit in that section, there's still 50,000 or so seats you could move to if you can't cope with standing, god forbid, at a football match.

Away fans are going to leave SJP thinking it has little to no atmosphere other than a few kids nexto the away end by the sounds of things. The whole Gallowgate needs to be going for it to be heard well from L7.