Unbelievable

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=725616&page=28#ixzz2ARj3xoAy Our dear friend Paxton with their latest bit of mackem logic: our players can't be quality because they play for us..

AmI allowed to pass judgement and conclude he was not what I think we needed based on the fact I've seen him play for Ajax for the last five or so seasons, or is that irrelevant?

May have been 8 million euros. Still a big outlay tbf.

8 million is a lot for a utility man though, especially if it means not getting in the players we needed far more.

I said in the summer I felt he was not what we needed, and I remain as yet unconvinced that he is.

Agreed. He's a much better player when he keeps to the basics of nicking the ball and laying it off to more technically gifted players. He's still fantastic at winning the ball and turning his way out of trouble, but he has become more sloppy in his passing as he's trying to be more adventurous. The coaching staff badly need to have a word with him about this aspect of his game.

About sums it up, when he came in and tore the league up we was consistently creating chances every game at the moment we are struggling to create. 15 goals in 14 games in all comps is something we need to improve on. I'm not sure that excuse can bet trotted out again after Ferguson put it on a plate for him in the first half. Even then, last season he only needed a half chance to score a wonder goal. He's low on confidence, not sure why, but he is. Nah not tonight he should have scored tonight. I was talking about in general he has not had many chances to feed on compared to when he joined. It's obvious he's low on confidence as well. Fair enough I guess. I'm still not sure I agree we created much more last season. We had Ba being very clinical in the first half of the season, than Cisse in the second half. We didn't create boatloads as I can't recall them missing that many. Ba went through a similar patch and is back to full confidence and his goalscoring has returned; I'm sure Papiss will be the same. I wish they could both score at the same time though. How many teams do you know in the world that play 2 out and out goalscorers. Ba can play other roles Cisse maybe can, can't play 2 the way the both want to play, one of them has to play wide and deeper. Where did I suggest they need to play together? Seems only one can score goals at any one time even if they're not on the pitch together. I all seriousness, I think Ba is more of a 4-4-2 striker, and Cisse fits 4-3-3 better. I really wish they would work better together than we've seen so far though, with Ba being the obvious choice for a deeper role.

His best match for us so far in my opinion. Is he turning the corner?

About sums it up, when he came in and tore the league up we was consistently creating chances every game at the moment we are struggling to create. 15 goals in 14 games in all comps is something we need to improve on. I'm not sure that excuse can bet trotted out again after Ferguson put it on a plate for him in the first half. Even then, last season he only needed a half chance to score a wonder goal. He's low on confidence, not sure why, but he is. Nah not tonight he should have scored tonight. I was talking about in general he has not had many chances to feed on compared to when he joined. It's obvious he's low on confidence as well. Fair enough I guess. I'm still not sure I agree we created much more last season. We had Ba being very clinical in the first half of the season, than Cisse in the second half. We didn't create boatloads as I can't recall them missing that many. Ba went through a similar patch and is back to full confidence and his goalscoring has returned; I'm sure Papiss will be the same. I wish they could both score at the same time though.

About sums it up, when he came in and tore the league up we was consistently creating chances every game at the moment we are struggling to create. 15 goals in 14 games in all comps is something we need to improve on. I'm not sure that excuse can bet trotted out again after Ferguson put it on a plate for him in the first half. Even then, last season he only needed a half chance to score a wonder goal. He's low on confidence, not sure why, but he is.

Bordeaux drew with Maritimo too, which makes the result even better..

FT. Good result, decent display, somewhat lucky that we didn't concede.

Good block Taylor

Colo

Can't get over how little Cisse has been involved second half compared to the first. Whoever said bring Shola on because Cisse is not capable of leading the line alone..

Li'l Cheick learning from the best

Aye, between him and Sammy for MOTM

Cabaye for Ferguson

Obertan Santon 1-2

Cabs coming on

Obertan can even control a football tonight..

Just noticed Cisse is still on the pitch..

Obertan done well again

Perch RB, Santon LB, Fergie LW it seems..

Well done Sammy