Parky

quality. Class.

I doubt they were expecting us to be a top 4 club after one summer's spending tbf. The emphasis was on long term improvement I believe. While every year falling behind our competitors? I would say the squad is better than it was last season, even though we have not spent enough. I agree, but only very slightly and still remains unbalanced and very vulernable to injuries and suspensions.

I doubt they were expecting us to be a top 4 club after one summer's spending tbf. The emphasis was on long term improvement I believe. While every year falling behind our competitors?

It's beyond delusion it's psychosis.

Tried to do it from memory... Basically this Arsenal analogy they are parading is completely vacuous or a con. Club Honours League Champions (13) 2004, 2002, 1998, 1991, 1989, 1971, 1953, 1948, 1938, 1935, 1934, 1933, 1931. FA Cup Winners (10) 2005 Beat Manchester Utd 5-4 on penalties (after 0-0 draw) 2003 Beat Southampton 1-0 2002 Beat Chelsea 2-0 1998 Beat Newcastle United 2-0 1993 Beat Sheffield Wednesday 2-1 1979 Beat Manchester United 3-2 1971 Beat Liverpool 2-1 1950 Beat Liverpool 2-0 1936 Beat Sheffield United 1-0 1930 Beat Huddersfield Town 2-0

I can't fucking remember all the facts...When was the FA cup 93? They won the league in 91. Happy? The point is we are building from a much lower base and can't hope to emulate Arsenal till the first team is taken care of and is more competitive. Where we are and the squad and what KK identifyied and went on about ad nasueum was addressing the emergency correctinons for the first team squad, something we can all see.

This Arsenal lark is a red herring. They has already won the PL in 91 and the FA Cup in 95 prior to Wengers appointment in 96. "Arsene replaced Bruce Rioch at Highbury in 1996 but prior to officially joining the Gunners from the J-League, Arsenal had, under the Frenchman's advice, signed two French players. They were Remi Garde from Strasbourg and Patrick Vieira from AC Milan. More Frenchmen soon joined the Gunners including Emmanuel Petit (Monaco) and Nicolas Anelka (Paris St Germain). Dutch winger Marc Overmars also joined the club from Ajax Amsterdam." http://www.4thegame.com/club/arsenal-fc/manager-profile/44/arsenewenger.html The PL didn't exist in '91. You know what is meant.

This Arsenal lark is a red herring. They has already won the PL in 91 and the FA Cup in 95 prior to Wengers appointment in 96. "Arsene replaced Bruce Rioch at Highbury in 1996 but prior to officially joining the Gunners from the J-League, Arsenal had, under the Frenchman's advice, signed two French players. They were Remi Garde from Strasbourg and Patrick Vieira from AC Milan. More Frenchmen soon joined the Gunners including Emmanuel Petit (Monaco) and Nicolas Anelka (Paris St Germain). Dutch winger Marc Overmars also joined the club from Ajax Amsterdam." http://www.4thegame.com/club/arsenal-fc/manager-profile/44/arsenewenger.html

Cry? I could have laughed. No vision, no commitment, no clue.

Why is that fella?

What is on Dennis Wise's CV to inspire confidence that he can shop round Europe and bring the best players to St James' Park? He worked for Swindon, Millwall and Leeds. SBR quote. Mail on Sunday.

"What is on Dennis Wise's CV to inspire confidence that he can shop round Europe and bring the best players to St James' Park? He worked for Swindon, Millwall and Leeds." SBR. Mail on Sunday SBR article.

"It reminded me of a pre-season match at Doncaster. I was sitting at the back of the stand and Dennis, who had watched the first half much nearer the front, accidentally tried to take my seat when I had popped away for a half-time cup of tea. His reasons later became clear to me: he wanted to slip out unnoticed 10 minutes into the second half. At such a crucial time for watching and learning, as pre-season is, I was surprised - I would have thought he would have wanted to watch the game to the end, and talk with Kevin about where the team needed strengthening." SBR.

Kevin Keegan said: “At the time at which I joined Newcastle United Football Club it was made very clear to me that I would have the final say on player movement in and out of the club.”

Instead of managing the situation correctly and moving on with careful diligence it looks like the half-wits have decided to go to war with Keegan. Short sighted and will do no good for the club.

Yes. It will happen sooner or later one day.

Bevan insisted that Ashley's largely London-based management structure was doomed to failure: "If you look at a football club when people are running it from different parts of the country, when you've got a manager who doesn't know who is being signed, who is leaving and who is coming in, it's a recipe for disaster.

the only direction the club should be going is the tried, tested and proven method of the last 100 years Which is quite simply that the highest placed clubs are that because they buy the best players. So less of the "system" bollocks and attempting to defend a bunch of amateurs. The manager runs the club. He picks his staff and scouting systems. He picks who to sell and who to buy. And his board back him as much as possible, which in the case of NUFC is a damn sight more than poxy little clubs that have to incorporate "business plans" and financial limits simply because they are poxy little clubs that need to do it because they are poxly little clubs. Whatever people who say they supported the club when they tried to adopt such a policy.........as mick says to the contrary............ mackems.gif End of story More or less yes. People need to grasp that MA had put in to place quite strong financial barriers to the things KK wanted to do, he either totally misjudged the kind of stubborn and pround man KK is or he was deluded enough to think he could charm him and whatnot....

Hope to god Ashley sells asap.

To the point and a fair appraisal. Ashley Out. If Alex is right, its got f*** all to do with Ashley, its all about Wise. This is just more of the same mindless tripe that has been flying around for the last few days. This evil system which has supposedly caused all the trouble is the same one that Keegan bought into when he agreed to join the club, and the same one that seems to have done a good job of strengthening the team over the summer. Now because Keegan throws a hissy fit, everyone decides that things were no good all along. I don't think it's occurred to many that it might well be Ashley who's the one that's acted with integrity here. Keegan was trying to use his standing with the fans to force him to sack Wise. In many ways that would have been the easy option for Ashley - that would have kept the peace. But he decided that Wise was doing the job that he'd been asked to do, and there was no justification for sacking him. Regardless of whether you think the DOF system is the right one, at least Ashley was prepared to stick to his beliefs and not make Wise a sacrificial lamb, no matter what the outside pressure was. Good post - i just dont see the logic that people are forming there opinions from. The way i see it is that Keegans targets didnt fit in with the direction the club wanted to go - what were they supposed to do? Break that fundamental pricipal of the club in order to appease the messiah or stick to there guns? The picture i see in my mind is Ashley sitting lonely in his mansion whilst Keegan has his credit card like a spoilt wife. Why hire him then? Is that a genuine question? Well yes, cause I'm sure it is one KK is still asking himself.

I'm beginning to think if he hired a hot air baloon and shat on supporters during a match it would somehow still be ok...COUGH new direction and all that.. mackems.gif

To the point and a fair appraisal. Ashley Out. If Alex is right, its got f*** all to do with Ashley, its all about Wise. This is just more of the same mindless tripe that has been flying around for the last few days. This evil system which has supposedly caused all the trouble is the same one that Keegan bought into when he agreed to join the club, and the same one that seems to have done a good job of strengthening the team over the summer. Now because Keegan throws a hissy fit, everyone decides that things were no good all along. I don't think it's occurred to many that it might well be Ashley who's the one that's acted with integrity here. Keegan was trying to use his standing with the fans to force him to sack Wise. In many ways that would have been the easy option for Ashley - that would have kept the peace. But he decided that Wise was doing the job that he'd been asked to do, and there was no justification for sacking him. Regardless of whether you think the DOF system is the right one, at least Ashley was prepared to stick to his beliefs and not make Wise a sacrificial lamb, no matter what the outside pressure was. Good post - i just dont see the logic that people are forming there opinions from. The way i see it is that Keegans targets didnt fit in with the direction the club wanted to go - what were they supposed to do? Break that fundamental pricipal of the club in order to appease the messiah or stick to there guns? The picture i see in my mind is Ashley sitting lonely in his mansion whilst Keegan has his credit card like a spoilt wife. Why hire him then?

I'm still wondering reading some posts how long it will take for people to accept that Ashley doesn't give a toss about the club. People are writing essays on why if Keegan had just worn the green top that day all would be alright.