Parky

Spot on someone should tell the jokers running Newcastle that its not a crime to talk to the fans. They'll talk when things have died down a bit and they've hired a new manager.

The capacity for self-delusion that exists within our fan base never ceases to amaze me. That said, it's probably what also makes the Toon Army so special. Do you report directly to the owner of the company at your job or do you report to a line manager? There is a chain of command at every comapny and it's no different at Newcastle United. What do you think he was told by Ashley 'if you have any problems report them directly to me because i've got loads of time on my hands. Forget about Lambias, he's only there to do the paperwork'. The manager of a football club reports into the Chairman in most cases, not the owner. Why is the possible scenario i've suggested so delusion then? We live in an age of mass communication (24 hours TV news, RSS web feeds, mobile internet, blackberries, mobile email etc). I just find it a tad incredible to even contemplate Ashley would have had no idea what was going on back at the club, let alone that something as politically and commercially sensitive as sacking Keegan/or accepting his resignation would take place without Ashley knowing about it. Just wouldn't happen. Ashley may want to dissociate himself from what has happened, for reasons of personal safety/commercial interest etc, but I just don't buy it. Spot on.

Are you living in the 50's?

It wouldn't surprise me if they've had someone lined up for weeks. Just a thought.

Yeah of course selling the club to someone who will put good players on the pitch will be a disaster. To be fair, the players are the least of our worries. The processes of obtaining and keeping players would still be problematic, as would the communication between manager and owner = nothing new! I'd much rather have a club that is united, sustainable and distinctly average than having this shit year in, year out. I'm sorry I can't share that vision. I accept your point however.

Yeah of course selling the club to someone who will put good players on the pitch will be a disaster.

To the point and a fair appraisal. Ashley Out.

I admitted my love for her a week ago on TT.

Seem to have spouted a lot on KK what do you think about Ashley and Co? Curious.

Bye, Bye King Kev and take care.

Don't talk s***. Who the f*** do you think gets the blame if they're s****? How often do we say of a new manager "he needs time to get his own team together" and you reckon that he shouldn't get the opportunity at all? Give your head a f***ing shake. Who's to stay the club didn't bust their balls to get the players Keegan wanted but couldn't for whatever reason? Did Keegan then offer up alternatives? Or did he not have any? If he didn't have any alternatives, should the club then do what? Are they then wrong to offer up alternatives and try to bring these in as long as they are good players, which they have been? My head doesn't need a shake. I'm thinking about this very clearly and rationally, without getting emotional. A lot of you guys need to calm down. Bailing out on the club now will acheive what exactly then? Keegan is a great man, but he is not God. I'm sure he has some faults as well, and maybe they let him down in this instance. Everyone is just assuming the club was hell bent on making his life hell. I am yet to see good evidence of this. We are now hearing Keegan was not even willing to take their offers of changes into account ... why? This is just an infortunate situation and we have to move forward, and continue to support the club. Don't talk s***. Who the f*** do you think gets the blame if they're s****? How often do we say of a new manager "he needs time to get his own team together" and you reckon that he shouldn't get the opportunity at all? Give your head a f***ing shake. Who's to stay the club didn't bust their balls to get the players Keegan wanted but couldn't for whatever reason? Did Keegan then offer up alternatives? Or did he not have any? If he didn't have any alternatives, should the club then do what? Are they then wrong to offer up alternatives and try to bring these in as long as they are good players, which they have been? My head doesn't need a shake. I'm thinking about this very clearly and rationally, without getting emotional. A lot of you guys need to calm down. Bailing out on the club now will acheive what exactly then? Keegan is a great man, but he is not God. I'm sure he has some faults as well, and maybe they let him down in this instance. Everyone is just assuming the club was hell bent on making his life hell. I am yet to see good evidence of this. We are now hearing Keegan was not even willing to take their offers of changes into account ... why? This is just an infortunate situation and we have to move forward, and continue to support the club. Yes Kaka we know. You're an Ashleyite.

Tragedy.

Fair post. Nobody minds a stronger structure if the right people are in positions of responsibility and there are open lines of communication. Ashley has filled his shops with cheap crap and built it up. Maybe this is what he's good at. Should have stuck to the formula and bought a shitty little club in the championship that you don't need to spend money on. I just hope he sells asap to someone who actually wants to succeed at the top level of the game and understands that its only done by buying top footballers that the other top clubs want. Notably, that having bumped this post, it is seen that the usual culprit has opted out of replying to me when he was found lacking ............ Ok, thats a fair post. So just to make sure I'm getting this right, you don't consider Woodgate and Modric top footballers that other top clubs want? Also, did Chelsea show a lack of ambition in failing to land Robinho ahead of Man City? edit: i think it's laughable that you have a dig at Ashley for his private business strategy which has made him a billionaire from nothing. Enlighten me, I didn't realise Woodgate and Modric had signed for Newcastle ? Or even a top 4 club ? I don't give a toss how Ashley made his money, he came into this club, knew nothing about football, and proceeded to prove it. Quite amazing that anybody can still not see this after recent events. This has been coming for months, as obvious as the nose on your face. Woodgate and Modric didn't sign for Newcastle, that's as obvious to me as the nose on my face, aye, i agree. not so obvious the rest of it. Fact is, Keegan mentioned Woodgate, Modric and even Nasri as players we have either bid for, or were looking at. Woodgate and Modric joined the Spurs "revolution", a London club playing in Europe, who's manager had just won 2 european trophies on the bounce. Nasri joined Arsenal. We tried to get them, but they chose not to come. How the f*** that is Ashley's fault I'll never know. What's as obvious as the nose on your face is that the club is still recovering from the bullshit it had endured in the last few years of Shepherd's reign. We were in so much "trouble" that most fans were delighted with the Messiah coming back, because we could all feel that the club needed "saving". Now let's give this lot a bit of time to signal their intentions and proceed with their plan. Fact is, whether you like it or not, Ashley owns the club, and will run it the way he wants to. In principle, he's already made a few positive changes which cannot be ignored. Yes he's also made a few mistakes, but who doesn't. How he recovers from these mistakes and builds on the positives, will determine whether or not he has failed us. As has been said, to suggest that a man who bought the club a year ago has "failed" us, or even ask it, is as deluded and pathetic an idea as they come. Well for starters, it wasn't me who titled this thread, it was Parky. Even though I agree with him and would go further, thats not the point. Are you saying losing Keegan - and replacing him with who exactly - is a price worth paying ? I know who I would rather lose. As for "bullshit", don't make me laugh. 2 years ago we were in europe. And 52,000 fans we still supporting the club. Some bullshit. I can show you what s*** is, its the state the Halls and Shepherd found the club in, thats s***. Don't bother replying with bollocks about stadium debt, that stadium is an asset to the club, and all the other major clubs have similar or higher debts for exactly the same reason. The alternative is yuo think they should have kept it at a 36,000 capacity, and if you seriously think THAT, then you deserve to watch a club selling itself short which will ultimately only lead to the crowds going back down to 36000 anyway and less. Stadium debt was manageable i thought, didn't everyone know that? Thought problem was we were running a bit dry (transfer funds) having given loads of money to an idiot like Souness and then drifting away with a man out of his depth, Roeder. Wouldn't have been surprised if we didn't have too much in the pot. We would've needed a good manager to get us up the table which increases revenue. Didn't look like BSA was gonna be that man tbh. Let's hope KK can. Shame, you can be astute but you've so blatently got an agenda you're weakening a good arguement by behaving like a bairn. You are entitled to your opinion. I suspect that what I say, rather than saying its "like a bairn" is simply what you don't want to hear. The bulk of the debt was due to the stadium, was it not ? And yes, it was "manageable". I'm pleased you see this, sadly, it appears that others do not. I too wasn't happy with Souness behaving like a trigger happy clown with the clubs money, both in sales and purchases, but unfortunately you will have to accept that the people who run the club have to be entitled to make their own decisions and stand or fall by them. They don't employ managers with the intention of not doing their best to back them, well the old board didn't anyway.........of course they backed their man, it wasn't up to me, or you, or Dave, or HTT. He was their appointment. You aren't going to tell me that you have never worked anywhere, found a s**** manager, and said to yourself "what knacker appointed him" ? It happens everywhere, and it also happens at all other football clubs. Its just life. You back people you appoint, until you feel he has to be sacked. I agree with that. I think the old board earnt their right to make mistakes. They done a lot right. This lot i just don't know about. KK says there's money available, says we've made bids, we haven't got the players, such is life. Spurs looked a better team than us (until they sold Berbs and Keane), couple of players went there instead. Oh well. I am deeply pissed off though because i think we've missed an opportunity. Liverpool look average, if we've have bought better we could have had a run at the 4th spot, now Man City will have a crack at it instead. As to what went wrong (assuming we don't have a great season cause we might), i don't know who to blame. But i think mistakes have been made, if Ashley learns from them, all good, if not fuck off. I'll not jump the gun though and start assuming what happened. It's too easy to let the heart do the thinking in these situations, we don't follow football for anything else tbh. Fair comment. A lot of it frustration, cause in all honesty most on this board were really looking forward to this season.

We could go round in circles about this for ages, obviously we have different views about the merits of the new owner. But if you mean that Ashley doesn't have a clue what's going on, then you don't know that and neither does anyone else. Look. None of us are party to 'the facts' and in these situations we probably never will be. But I know what I see...I see a man who loves the club and even with mighty odds stacked against him has got an average side to play spells of good football (even a respectable draw at ManU)...I see a man who is clearly our key asset behaving like a person who clearly feels alienated and fed up with things around him.

You're right it would be easier to blame Ashley if he actually had a clue what was going on.

Fair post. Nobody minds a stronger structure if the right people are in positions of responsibility and there are open lines of communication. Ashley has filled his shops with cheap crap and built it up. Maybe this is what he's good at. Should have stuck to the formula and bought a shitty little club in the championship that you don't need to spend money on. I just hope he sells asap to someone who actually wants to succeed at the top level of the game and understands that its only done by buying top footballers that the other top clubs want. Notably, that having bumped this post, it is seen that the usual culprit has opted out of replying to me when he was found lacking ............ Ok, thats a fair post. So just to make sure I'm getting this right, you don't consider Woodgate and Modric top footballers that other top clubs want? Also, did Chelsea show a lack of ambition in failing to land Robinho ahead of Man City? edit: i think it's laughable that you have a dig at Ashley for his private business strategy which has made him a billionaire from nothing. Enlighten me, I didn't realise Woodgate and Modric had signed for Newcastle ? Or even a top 4 club ? I don't give a toss how Ashley made his money, he came into this club, knew nothing about football, and proceeded to prove it. Quite amazing that anybody can still not see this after recent events. This has been coming for months, as obvious as the nose on your face. Modric and Woodgate did, however, sign for a club that's clearly had to sell in order to buy. I don't really care about Spurs and am surprised that you are, having witnessed the utter farce of this week. You aren't defending the actions of the club this week are you and the fact that Keegan has clearly shown you that he feels he will get nowhere while they are running the club ? For once, can you just try not to superimpose a straw man argument over someone's post? Where am I defending the club's ridiculousness this week? You're the one who mentioned "its only done by buying top footballers that the other top clubs want.". Mention of another 'top club' as a specific example and it's "WHO CARES WHAT OTHER TOP CLUBS WANT?" And where has Keegan clearly shown that he feels he will get nowhere while 'they' are running the club? I didn't see his announcement, obviously you must have. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, same goes for negative fuckers. Err...I think his actions this week cover that.

As deluded as it gets.

Fair post. Nobody minds a stronger structure if the right people are in positions of responsibility and there are open lines of communication.

Some papers are saying he is in the United States but they may well be stirring trouble again Holiday Barbados or States business, take your pick. I'll have the holiday thanks. When do I fly? Yesterday.

There are no guarantees in life Lotus sweetie. The transitory nature of reality at this level of conciousness makes it impossible, i'm learning.

Some papers are saying he is in the United States but they may well be stirring trouble again Holiday Barbados or States business, take your pick.