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Except it perpetuates myths - like the myth that we peddled Chopra when the fact was that the lad ran out of patience waiting for a chance in the first team! I'm sure every one of us would rather see Chopra here instead of Rossi but at the end of the day that was Chopra's decision...

The LB will be Bridge I hope

 

Methinks after Clarky's comments then probably not - he's hardly going to criticise Chelsea if there's business to be done...

dont shoot the messenger but have it on good authority that shearer does not want the job as he wants a break from major involvment with the toon.

 

Thank god for that!!

 

Hang about, it's just this kind of sensible decision making that we need at NUFC!!

 

Shearer for manager!!

 

I like your logic

shearer is quite clearly the fans choice i would love him to finally make the players realise what it means to play for newcastle united because i believe that he is the only person who truely understands that in reality!

 

He most certainly is not "quite clearly the fans choice" - he is the choice of a few fans who think he will be some magical panacea to all our problems.

Other fans are terrified of Shepherd's dream appointment for a variety of reasons such as:

inexperience,

fear his legacy will be tarnished by the poison chalice that is the NUFC hotseat,

a suspicion that his man management skills leave much to be desired, (such as his suspected role in Bobby's removal, and his support of Souness)

that he will, despite claims to the contrary, toady to the chairman in order to save the club embarrassment etc (as apparently he does on BBC, keeping to the party line*)

* going on the reports of others as I don't get BBC coverage...

But then I'm becoming a naysayer - I know what I don't want but don't have any positive answers these days

RIP osci basci

“I was with Puskas coaching in Australia the players he was coaching did not respect him until he put the ball down outside the area and intentionally hit the cross bar ten times in a row” – George Best

Its a shame players like this are slipping through the catch nets of the Australian youth system, further shows the need for a youth league to be setup beneath the current A-League

I was thinking something similar - especially when I read about our "much-vaunted football institute programs" :roll: If they're so fantastic why did Kewell, Troisi, Cahill, Neill et al all head overseas as boys :mad:

just a quick point but why do you have a right winger on the left a left winger in the middle and a central midfielder on the right

To be fair, Milner's cross for the Spanish prick's goal against Palermo was from the left, and neither Duff nor the Zog are doing much, so fair do's really...

Agreed,at least if he scores goals he (or they..) will improve their case

 

To be honest,these days i am more intrested in the reserve's then the first team,where else can u see a newcastle side winning!

 

 

Maybe Lee Clark isn't so shit after all

Roeder out, Clark in

I think its a disgrace that the head of any FA should make such comments :wullie:

Anyone find an e-mail addy for him ?

I don't know why, but when I read this post I imagined the head of the English FA criticising Real Madrid for not playing Beckham!

I'd bring Given in goals, Nobby in for Gillespie and Duff (at his best) over Ginola, and a debate then over Batty or Parker think I would edge towards Scott Parker.

Parker couldn't hold a candle to Batty, and I have to say Duffer, even at his best, is no Ginola...

maybe hes looking at some australian players.....vince grella is a brilliant defensive midfielder and voted so at the world cup....he may also be looking at patrick kisnorbo a standout performer in central defence for leicter scoring 5 goals this year

You've mentioned Kisnorbo quite a few times - he's simply not good enough my friend!!! I also think you're overstating the qualities of Vinnie Grella too, after all, we've already got a sideways passing central midfielder in Parker...

As much as it hurts to say, there's not much real quality in the Aussie squad - if we needed a midfielder then Jason Culina could be an option, Lucas Neill of course is a rock, while Josh Kennedy would be a good addition to the Toon squad if only as a target man. (This of course does not include Cahill and Bresciano who would be beyond our reach...)

That said, the Aussie I really want to see in black and white is Marko Viduka - and not many else want to see that!

No. There will be better players on frees in the summer.

 

If we can't get a better youth team players in then we should also ask what the hell is going on at the academy.

Quoted for truth

Trying to be positive after that dross is a bit difficult, but let's see what we can come up with:

1) Whether you love Shola or hate him, he was a passenger today, so it's a positive that he's now off for the operation and we can wait six months to renew the "love him/hate him" debates

2) Duff being subbed - thought it was great to see Duff dragged, I was afraid he was one of Roeder's "sacred cows' as he's been turning in rubbish shifts since he arrived, so it was positive to see him being punished by being substituted

3) Dyer - again, love him or loathe him, he added real spark to our team, running with real pace and purpose. Rusty, admittedly, but injected real drive to our team

4) A clean sheet - we're down in the mire, so the ability to keep a clean sheet (admittedly a lucky one against a powder-puff attack) should hopefully give us some confidence that we can build on.

5) Martins is coming back soon - our biggest problem is scoring goals, so I'm looking forward to the possibility of playing Oba with Dyer on his shoulder.

6) One for all the Luque lovers - Duff and the Zog turning more shite performances will surely see your hero being given a chance on the left. Me, I fucking despise Luque, but right now I'd rather see the Spanish wastrel than the Irish one...

 

Glenn Roeder was already without three strikers in Michael Owen, Oba Martins and Shola Ameobi and Kieron Dyer, who can also play up front. Then Antoine Sibierski, whom the United boss was looking to take some of the weight off the diminutive Seppe Rossi, decided he wasn't fit enough to play on Saturday lunch-time.

Le Sib - a shirker? Or more that he's foreign?

Its shake up time I think for a few players..

 

-------------------Harper

 

Taylor----Rmage------Moore©-----Bernard

 

 

Milner-------Dyer--------Emre-------Duff

 

--------------Sibi----------Rossi

 

 

BECNH

Krul

Bramble

Nobby

O'Brian

Carroll

 

If you're planning to drop Carr, Babayaro, Zoggy and Parker, then surely Duff has to be axed too? You've even got O'Brien on the bench...

No place for Pattison either?

 

would love to stay and play, but im out tonight to enjoy the fruits of thailand........in 34 degrees of warmth, in me t shirt and strides........be good x........ill try.

 

Remember the ones with the willies are the boys! xx

 

how will i know?

Some mates travelling to Thailand gave me the following advice - ALWAYS look for an Adam's Apple

We sell Emre to Bayern. Man utd get Hargreaves . We get Rossi for the rest of the season on loan. Probably.....

 

I hope we get Rossi permanently if the deal involve those 3 players.

That's about as likely as Newcastle signing Cannavaro, which you also suggested in another thread. Are you sure you're supporting the right club?!?

Ive said it many times before that we should have gone for Fabio Cannavaro after Italy won the World Cup.

Why stop there - why not get Grosso, Nesta and Zambrotta too? :roll:

OWEN HARGREAVES will get his dream move to Manchester United in January — if Bayern Munich land Newcastle midfielder Emre.

 

Sources claim the Turkish international is desperate to join the Germans, after Emre revealed Bayern made an £8million move for him during the summer.

 

Emre’s claim puts the pressure on at St James’s Park and should he get his wish, England star Hargo (left) will be Old Trafford bound.

 

The midfield ace is recuperating from a broken leg but is set to return to training in a fortnight’s time.

 

United boss Alex Ferguson has the funds to finance a £14m swoop and Hargo has made no secret of his desire to join the Premiership leaders.

 

The Canadian-born star almost went on strike in a bid to move in August but backed down after a public slanging match with the Bayern board.

 

Emre did not expect to be fighting a relegation battle when he joined Newcastle in July 2005 for £6m from Inter Milan.

 

And he could be helped in his search for a move because Toon will have to sell to finance any recruitment during the January transfer window.

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2006500755,00.html

 

 

Quality of journalism highlighted in italics - was closer to £3.5 m :roll:

Here's hoping Luque starts - and is dragged for "disciplinary reasons" just like John Beresford was by KK all those years ago. Then someone who really should be getting a chance, like Troisi or Carroll can come on...

Where's your optimism, such gloom, get behind the lads.

I'm confident of a performance.

That's the problem - we've been producing the odd performance, unfortunately we're not producing any results...

Besides, equal top in the world's best league versus... us.

(That said, giving who is posting this, my irony detector is flashing )

 

Same question to you. Do you think they had to give £200m to the managers to buy players.

 

We know that many people get a rag on at Fred for calling Geordie women dogs ( FYI I didn't marry one ) and so think he's a wanker. How exactly does that stop Newcastle supporters appearing as wankers to outsiders by not being happy with a Board that funds it's managers to that extent? These are two different things.

 

Perhaps you will actually answer these questions. Or will it be a snip of a few words and a bit of sarcasm as usual?

I might have a bash HTL

"Do you think they had to give £200m to the managers to buy players." Well, as that money was generated by the club, primarily through the fans (via tickets, TV subscriptions, merchandise et al) then the options were to cream that cash off, accumulate it in the bank or spend it on the club - either players or infrastructure. So in a sense YES, they were obliged to spend that money on players, pay off the debt on the stadium and develop training and corporate factilities. Are you suggesting that as shareholders they should simply pocket all profits (as has been suggested was done in the old days?)

"How exactly does that stop Newcastle supporters appearing as wankers to outsiders by not being happy with a Board that funds it's managers to that extent?" Only the ignorant would suggest we are angry with Freddy for spending so heavily on players - we are angry that despite this investment we are still failing to reach achievable goals. We have seen a succession of managers who have failed to bring success - the media and outsiders would probably latch onto this fact as a flaw in our supporters, but those campaigning for Shepherd's removal feel that the malaise runs deeper than flawed players and managers, that something deeper is holding us back, and large sections of the Newcastle support group feel that "something" is the board, embodied by Mr. Fred Shepherd Esq

Sibierski - When you say Cole I assume you mean Carlton Cole. You may recall that Spurs were after him and the reports said he failed the medical due to a dodgy knee. He turned up for the medical seriously pissed, which by all accounts is not unusual. Kanu is talented without question but has never been prolific (except this season) so I would say no. That doesn't mean to say I can't understand why anyone would want to sign him, Kanoute falls into the same category. As for Chopra, totally agree. He was never given a serious chance at Newcastle, I would have kept him rather than get £500k. You really can't get much for £500k unless you're really lucky.

 

Pretty sure he meant Andy (sorry, Andrew) Cole...

 

I disagree with you and I think the strikers in your list could not save us from troubles. Hasselbaink, Viduka, Sutton, Hartson, Cole are just past it. They still have flashes of class in them but they shouldn't be more than a 3rd or 4th strikers unless we aspire to be a low table team. John Hartson scores 3 goals in 9 games for the Baggies, a championship club; Last season Chris Sutton scores 1 in 10 for Birmingham. Mark Viduka 17 in 57 for Middlesbrough since joining them; Hasselbaink 1/9 for Charlton this season; and Andy Cole 10 in 20 games for Man City last season. [soccerbase]

 

Apart from Andy Cole, none of the above will do a satisfying job for us I am afraid. And Andy Cole is an immobile striker who is just a year younger than Shearer. We have already got a very decent striker in our squad, his name is Giuseppi Rossi. He not only scores, he also contributes a lot more to the game, and a lot more mobile than the strikers above.

 

Have you heard the cliche "Lies, damned lies and statistics"?

Some players can't be judged on stats - in particular I'm talking about Marko Viduka. His style of target man with technique would not only have brought a few goals for himself, but created many more chances for his team mates. Of course, then the problem is that you need midfielders coming forward to take advantage of those opportunities...

Oh, and that sometimes he doesn't turn up - but that's better than Luque who never turns up...

I think 4-5-1 is a certainty - limited options up front, away game, likely to get pummelled. If Sibierski is fit he could play up front by himself to some effect, but the thought of Milner or Duff (or even that Spanish prick) leading the line by themselves is truly horrible...

I anticipate something like

--------------Harper----------------

Carr---Bramble---Moore---Baba

---------------Butt------------------

Solano---Parker---Zoggy---Duff

---------------Milner---------------

= a raping by the Sicilians!

I'd also love to see Troisi or Finnigan sit on the bench - we might need them in the coming months...

EDIT: I've just seen in another thread that Sibierski has been declared fit - Le Sib up front, Milner on the right and Nobby on the bench... Makes it look slightly better - still likely to get bent over with no lube

I'll stick my hand up - at the time I was pleased with Roeder's appointment.

At first I hoped we would sign a world class manager - all hope of that was knocked on the head with Shepherd's "betting scam" reaction to the Hitzfeld proposal. I saw that as the moment the promised "world class appointment, quality candidates lining up" was a sham.

At that point, I was impressed by Roeder's caretaker stewardship - in my defence after the shambles of Souness it was probably an overreation to seeing us charging up the table after the doom and gloom of the previous administration. I saw Roeder as a cool wise head and a steadying influence. I underestimated the infulence of Craig and Shearer. I chose to believe that his previous experiences management had extenuating circumstances, and even believed that his health issues would have made him a stronger character.

Even well into the summer I defended Roeder's transfer strategy (as I saw it) as prudent, conservative and designed to make sure he got the right players. It wasn't until the last week of the window I started to lose faith - I finally came to realise that whenever he opened his mouth about targets he was trying to placate the fans by offering them empty promises.

This continued into the season - just about every press release was either spin of a complete distortion of the facts. Think about the statements he has made - Luque has trained well and will be part of the squad, Carr is in the form of his life, Bramble has the ability etc. All rubbish.

So now I have turned 180 degrees - from wearing a Roeder ass-kisser badge over summer to now accepting he is simply not good enough. If that makes me fickle in the eyes of some - I'd prefer to think of it as accepting I made a poor judgement and adjusting my opinion accordingly