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That's a crazy thing to say! It is a rather ridiculous statement. Just to use Domenech and the french squad as an example, he picks players based on astrological signs. So no, the best player is not always playing regardless of coach, tactic or anything else. I agree it does sound a bit silly. Didn't phrase it well. And really can't be bothered to rehash, what I've said about 40 times before.

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You've never seen him play and you're talking about how he won't be good enough for us? Are you a complete idiot? Did you actually read anything that I said At no point did I say he wasn't good enough. Like I said, I haven't seen enough of the lad to say he is or not. I said based on the fact that he can't dislodge other Turkish "superstars" who have failed in the PL, this puts a big question mark over his quality for me and wheteher we should be taking a gamble on him, if we are indeed interested. Doesn't particuarilly sound too idiotic to me ?? Based on one game that isn't even correct yet. I thought we were supposed to type in English on this forum ? I guess you are saying that: Afar, how can you make that judgement on him based on his selection or non selection for one game? Well if that is what you meant, can I direct you to my early points ? To summarise: I said we should be looking at the best players from countries such as Turkey. The best players of any country, will play in ALL international games they are available for selection for, regardless of coach, tactics or anything else. Again I'll say it, cos it just doesn't seem to be going in with a few, his apparent non selection puts a big question mark against him IMO. That's not to write him off as not good enough or crap, it just asks questions why Emre and Tuncay are considered better options for the national team ? This is so uncontroversial, I'm amazed at the defensiveness that it seems to have generated, for a player I would bet most haven't seen outside youtube.com We are not talking about peanuts here, we have to be damn sure that he really is going to improve the quality of our first team.

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Well I hope he is, so we can all get a look at this so called 'wonderkid'. And people can stops basing their opinions on him solely off youtube clips.

That we have previous, this has been said nearly every closed season and every closed season the same thing happens, we wait too late, the best players have gone, we pay over the odds for average players and they miss the bulk of the hugely important pre-season.

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You've never seen him play and you're talking about how he won't be good enough for us? Are you a complete idiot? Did you actually read anything that I said At no point did I say he wasn't good enough. Like I said, I haven't seen enough of the lad to say he is or not. I said based on the fact that he can't dislodge other Turkish "superstars" who have failed in the PL, this puts a big question mark over his quality for me and wheteher we should be taking a gamble on him, if we are indeed interested. Doesn't particuarilly sound too idiotic to me ??

6 mill is a hell of a wedge for potential which has only so far proved that he can't play in a 4-4-2.

Yeah it's plenty of time. Lets not worry, we've proved in the past how effective we are in transfer windows. Hell lets wait till the last day of August, for sure we'll pick up some bargains then, clubs never raise their prices as the market narrows, just doesn't hapen. Sure these players will miss pre season preperation, but what the hell that's for wusses anyway.

Like I said I know next to nothing about the player, so he could well be the word beater that people are making him out to be. But his non selection has me thinking that perhaps even those that know him well, do not have full confidence in him. If we are looking at players from the historically lesser lights of world football, we should be looking at players like Niko Krancjer, the undoubted star of the Crotian team at the last world cup. He was undroppable and went on to prove a huge success at Pompey. I'm not sure we should be spending these huge amounts on players whom have yet to fully establish themselves in the national teams of nations like Turkey. Its' too big a gamble and with money apparently in short supply this summer and a lot of work to do, risks should be kept to a minimum.

But doesn't that also invalidate your argument that England would never drop its best creative player to play it safe so why should Turkey? Like you said Turkey aren't England and we know nothing about Turkey's manager so its silly to make the leap from Turan not starting to Turan not being good enough surely. I can have double standrads, cant I Seroiusly though, that wasn't my point. I used England as an example because they are my country and I know their players. My whole point was really very disrepectful of Turkey and if this guy isn't rated as one of the best that less the illustrious footballing national has then why are we interested ? If indeed we are ? Emre and Tuncay are hardly world beaters are they ? Yet they make the team ahead of this chap.

Or perhaps most of it is total cobblers because the papers and shitty rumour websites know f*** all? I refuse to believe that

No he has not, Milner has proved a hell of a lot more than huddlestone, a hell of a lot more. Simply because huddlestone has proved precisely nothing. Spurs will snatch their hands off if Everton are foolish enough to hand over that wedge for him. Milner has achieved nothing either! Other than of course being fortunate to play because of the lack of quality at Newcastle in the last few seasons. Huddlestone would walk into our midfield in much the same way, as he would be the best passing midfielder if he were in our team right now. Milner wouldn't get into Tottenham's team. Huddlestone is clearly a far more talented player than Milner. Hudd just needs to be used in a 4-3-3 as he doesn't quite have the mobility for the 4-4-2. Kaka, most of the time you talk a lot of sense but I'm sorry that is a bunch on baloney. Milner was first shone at a very early age in the prem with leeds, he went on to be one of our few consisten performers (admittidly not our best but consistent and more than justifying his place in the team) over the next years, he also had a hugely successful year on loan with Villa, arguably their best player that season. All of this has been done in the PL, he's rack up around 200 games in the top league or something hasn't he ? That's fantastic going for a player of his age. On the other hand Huddlestone, played decent for Derby in the Championship, was bought by Tottenham, and has played at the very most a handful of games where he's looked compendent. I don't deny Huddlestone's got potential, but that's all he's got, I think the majority of Spurs fans would agree that he's a long way from realising it. I understand all that, however do you not feel that Milner has benefitted from the mess the club has been in lately. The reality is if we had a decent right winger in the team these past few years then Milner wouldn't have been playing. My argument is that at a better team Milner wouldn't have played much, and at a worse team Huddlestone would have played a lot more. But tbh, Spurs have hardly been pulling up trees this season just ended. He's had the opportunity to shine, but hasn't so far taken it. I get the feeling that Spurs are loosing patience with him, and are getting a little fed up with waiting for his talent to come through. Milner has benefitted in terms of number of appreances, for playing for struggling team. But it's hard to say if the team was playing better and he was seeing more of the ball, whether he would actually have benefitted more from this. At the end of the day, I honestly believe that Milner is one of our better players and that we should be in no hurry to let him go but at the same time if some one comes in with 10mill, lets talk. Anything less and I would tell them to bugger off.

I'm a little concerned then by the boys quality, to be frank if Tuncay and Emre are considered better than him then I hope we are not looking at him. I know absolutely bugger all about him, not exactly a huge follower of the fantastic turkish league and youtube is such a liar. It is a selection question, that probably any other manager wouldn't answer the same way. They are playing different (in comparison to Arda) and the Turks will play against the biggest favourite of the Group first. They want to take the safer option, i think. Bet, he will play against Switzerland. If you are good enough, you'll get picked no matter what formation you are playing. Would England leave out Gerard or Rooney, because they want to play a bit more defensive against team X ? The turkish national team hardly supplies the premiership with the leagues best player. If we are interested in a Turkish player then they need to be of the relative standard of a Gerard or a Rooney is to the the Turkish team. (and before you start I don't mean as good as those two players, I mean as relatively better than the rest of the national team). Isn't he only 19 or something? Maybe he's still on the verge of establishing himself in the national team? I dunno, I thought he was a bit older than that. Still doesn't change my opinion. If he's good enough it shouldn't matter, it didn't for Rooney at that age. He wont be the only player not starting for his country who could be could for us though will he Gomis Gomez Crouch they are just some of them we have been linked with They don't play for Turkey though that's my point. Turkey have not supplied the PL or even world football in general with a huge amount of quality players. If we are looking at Turkish players they need to be their best ones. Think your making too big a deal out of this tbh. Some managers sre ujst obsessed with experience and this may well be the case here. Look at England for example, everyone knows Bentley and Young should be in that first team but it still isn't happening, and the likes of Joe Cole, Beckham and SWP are clearly not as good as them both. I don't know if I am, we've bought this type of player before in the past and they rarely work out. Your comparrision with England is not really valid, those players you listed would walk into Turkey's national team, they would be picked unlike Turan. Turkey are not super powers, their best players are players who have failed in the PL. I'm sure someone will say well at least they are at Euros and England aren't. TBH there is not one of their players I would have ahead of England's, it's criminal that we didn't qualify, incredible how bad a job Steve mcLaren did.

No he has not, Milner has proved a hell of a lot more than huddlestone, a hell of a lot more. Simply because huddlestone has proved precisely nothing. Spurs will snatch their hands off if Everton are foolish enough to hand over that wedge for him. Milner has achieved nothing either! Other than of course being fortunate to play because of the lack of quality at Newcastle in the last few seasons. Huddlestone would walk into our midfield in much the same way, as he would be the best passing midfielder if he were in our team right now. Milner wouldn't get into Tottenham's team. Huddlestone is clearly a far more talented player than Milner. Hudd just needs to be used in a 4-3-3 as he doesn't quite have the mobility for the 4-4-2. Kaka, most of the time you talk a lot of sense but I'm sorry that is a bunch on baloney. Milner was first shone at a very early age in the prem with leeds, he went on to be one of our few consisten performers (admittidly not our best but consistent and more than justifying his place in the team) over the next years, he also had a hugely successful year on loan with Villa, arguably their best player that season. All of this has been done in the PL, he's rack up around 200 games in the top league or something hasn't he ? That's fantastic going for a player of his age. On the other hand Huddlestone, played decent for Derby in the Championship, was bought by Tottenham, and has played at the very most a handful of games where he's looked compendent. I don't deny Huddlestone's got potential, but that's all he's got, I think the majority of Spurs fans would agree that he's a long way from realising it.

I'm a little concerned then by the boys quality, to be frank if Tuncay and Emre are considered better than him then I hope we are not looking at him. I know absolutely bugger all about him, not exactly a huge follower of the fantastic turkish league and youtube is such a liar. It is a selection question, that probably any other manager wouldn't answer the same way. They are playing different (in comparison to Arda) and the Turks will play against the biggest favourite of the Group first. They want to take the safer option, i think. Bet, he will play against Switzerland. If you are good enough, you'll get picked no matter what formation you are playing. Would England leave out Gerard or Rooney, because they want to play a bit more defensive against team X ? The turkish national team hardly supplies the premiership with the leagues best player. If we are interested in a Turkish player then they need to be of the relative standard of a Gerard or a Rooney is to the the Turkish team. (and before you start I don't mean as good as those two players, I mean as relatively better than the rest of the national team). Isn't he only 19 or something? Maybe he's still on the verge of establishing himself in the national team? I dunno, I thought he was a bit older than that. Still doesn't change my opinion. If he's good enough it shouldn't matter, it didn't for Rooney at that age. He wont be the only player not starting for his country who could be could for us though will he Gomis Gomez Crouch they are just some of them we have been linked with They don't play for Turkey though that's my point. Turkey have not supplied the PL or even world football in general with a huge amount of quality players. If we are looking at Turkish players they need to be their best ones.

Now that's a bloody good post.

Enough of that talk, you're upsetting afar. I won't be loosing any sleep I love you too.

So why are Barca selling him for £4 million? If he's got so much potential then why not develop him and sell for a massive fee, or even keep him and reap the rewards? I'm not so much bothered about missing out on Dos Santos, something doesn't seem quite right there, seems too good of a deal. Barca probably know something that Spurs don't, perhaps that he's actually not all that good. What I'm more concern with is the apparent lack of effort from our team to secure the much needed players ASAP. Still things may speed up when KK returns from his "well deserved break" in August or whenever that is.

Enough of that talk, you're upsetting afar. Yes you are

He has got some talent to be fair, he wouldn't be THAT bad. He's not the player he was, he's had his time, why should we be the club to give him one last big pay day. We've been mugs before to too many other players. I know, i'm just saying he won't be as bad as Smith. Even if he has 1 leg he would be better than Smith. That's very true, I would add lost the use of his eyes, put on 100 lbs, legally wasn't allowed to enter the city of Newcastle and refused to play football on any day with the letter 'y' in it, He'd still be better than Smith.

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I'm a little concerned then by the boys quality, to be frank if Tuncay and Emre are considered better than him then I hope we are not looking at him. I know absolutely bugger all about him, not exactly a huge follower of the fantastic turkish league and youtube is such a liar. It is a selection question, that probably any other manager wouldn't answer the same way. They are playing different (in comparison to Arda) and the Turks will play against the biggest favourite of the Group first. They want to take the safer option, i think. Bet, he will play against Switzerland. If you are good enough, you'll get picked no matter what formation you are playing. Would England leave out Gerard or Rooney, because they want to play a bit more defensive against team X ? The turkish national team hardly supplies the premiership with the leagues best player. If we are interested in a Turkish player then they need to be of the relative standard of a Gerard or a Rooney is to the the Turkish team. (and before you start I don't mean as good as those two players, I mean as relatively better than the rest of the national team). Isn't he only 19 or something? Maybe he's still on the verge of establishing himself in the national team? I dunno, I thought he was a bit older than that. Still doesn't change my opinion. If he's good enough it shouldn't matter, it didn't for Rooney at that age.

OMG, I just mentioned those two players were as an example !! My point was, they are England's best players, and they'll play in every meaningful game England plays (if availble of course) no matter what tactics we employ. If Turan is of the quality we need then, he should be the same for Turkey.