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Hasselbaink was powerfully built and could hold them off though, so that was his advantage. Doesn't apply to all strikers. There's always been a place for the likes of Rio's partner, Vidic. Uncompromising, physical defenders that are strong in the tackle.

If the team keeps losing games, will they just keep him in there regardless?

Since they asked him to do it. We've seen other interim appointments till the end of the season. Based on what he had to say at the end of it, it looked like a great call, had they bothered to follow up with his recommendations and keep him on to restructure the club. It seemed to give him a greater insight to all of the issues they had internally with the players. And every problem he raised is still in place there up till now!

Ragnick was supposed to manage them short term to get a full understanding of the internal issues with the squad, before then taking up a consultancy role to restructure things from the ground up. Don't think they even signed any players under him. Certainly not the types he was recommending to bring in.

I see this said a fair bit and I kind of understand the sentiment but it depends. Slide tackling is a skill in itself and it really is useful when mastered. It can be part of the makeup of a physical aggressive defender that can intimidate the opposition. Provided it's not just some hot headed rash oaf diving in, I don't have an issue with it.

That chance he created for Tonali that drew the great save from Martinez man ... Waits on the ball for Tonali to start moving forward into the gap, carries it forward a bit to draw the defender then lays it on a plate for him. So good. Love that Tonali saw to attack that space too. Creating some fantastic openings for us.

Yeah, was talking more about the players, regarding the pressure, because they are getting rinsed by the fans, and rightfully so.

Our situation was quite different though. Fortunately we largely had a group of players with great attitudes, work ethic and a desire to do better. They were just hamstrung by horrible leadership at the top and more importantly, in the dugout. I think that's why Howe was then ultimately able to turn things around, once his training finally bedded in, and overcame the nonsense Bruce was doing. I like Amorim, but man, that set of players seem to lack commitment and the right mindset to turn things around, and the pressure is building.

Man ... That was such a key moment for you lot. That guy's reputation and contacts are incredible in football. Your team by now would have looked so different, with the signings that would have come in. Part of the reason I'm so desperate for Mitchell to work well with Howe is due to the fact he worked so closely with Ragnick.

I feel bad for the manager. I don't think he could have imagined the players would be so poor tactically. ETH was a victim of this too. Shockingly enough, I even recall the same issue under Ragnick. He tried to play the 4-2-2-2 system he had Austria playing so well this past Euros, but the Man Utd players couldn't manage it back then.

When you lot first got Ragnick in, I remember reading about him and the experience he had, his philosophy and everything. I thought it was such a good move. At the end of the season when he gave that report and none of it was taken on board, and instead they ushered him out, I was so shocked man. I think that's when I really felt you guys were headed for trouble. Why the board at the time would just ignore Ragnick and throw ETH in there I have no idea.

Can you imagine that it was over two years ago that Ragnick gave them the feedback below before being unceremoniously dumped and scape goated for how crap they were that season he was brought in to analyse the issues at the club before moving upstairs to support ETH. Eye opening reading the below report. He was absolutely spot on about everything. ------------------------------------- Ralf Rangnick will present incoming boss Erik ten Hag with a shocking dossier of shame on every first team Manchester United player. After talks with Director of Football John Murtough and CEO Richard Arnold the interim Old Trafford chief has been asked to hand Ten Hag a brutal “no holes barred” rundown on the players the Dutchman will inherit this summer. And Rangnick, 63, has told them he won’t hold back after believing he’s been let down and hung out to dry by a dressing room he’s privately branded “selfish, over-inflated, lacking quality and too powerful”. Senior sources inside United’s Carrington training ground say Rangnick has been staggered by the lack of professionalism amongst the first-team squad. And he’s claimed some players have blatantly IGNORED his instructions when he’s given them a pattern of play to employ in certain games. Rangnick has also told Murtough and Arnold many of United’s players are “not fit for purpose” and physically cannot cope with high-energy opponents who run further, faster and harder. And that’s why he’s told Arnold the club needs a clear-out and an influx of hungry young players. He’s also advised the hierarchy to ditch their habit of signing big-name players for a short-term fix. The highly respected German, who has managed Schalke, Hoffenheim and RB Leipzig, even told staff at the club he believes former star and Sky TV pundit Gary Neville is right in his assessment that United’s team is “broken”. Rangnick joined United as interim head coach last November and quickly insisted HE might be the long-term managerial answer the club were looking for But in the space of less than five months Rangnick has seen at close quarters the mess United are in and is happy to hand the reins to Ten Hag who will leave Ajax next month. Rangnick’s murderous assessment of the current United squad will make bleak reading for 52-year-old Ten Hag. The German doesn’t rate defenders Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Eric Bailly, Phil Jones and is unsure about Victor Lindelof’s decisiveness and positioning. He believes Harry Maguire has carried the can for a series of inept defensive displays by the team but feels United’s £80million investment is so substantial the club can’t simply write off the England centre-back. In midfield Rangnick has been shocked that United don’t have the energy and physicality needed in the modern game. And he believes it’s an area that needs urgent attention with at least two hard running, high-energy recruits needed plus a play-maker. In attack Rangnick believes United have big problems despite Cristiano Ronaldo ’s 20 goals this season. He’s told Murtough signing players like Edinson Cavani at the end of their careers – after a failed experiment with 30 year old Shanghai Shenhua attacker Odion Ighalo in 2020 – is short-sighted and a sticking-plaster strategy that has no future. He’s banking on Ten Hag getting more from Marcus Rashford and £72 million winger Jadon Sancho but believes United need a main striker with Anthony Martial, on-loan at Seville, unlikely to be the answer. The dossier will make grim reading for Ten Hag. But Rangnick, who will move upstairs in a consultancy role this summer, is adamant United must address their problems now – or face more years in the wilderness.

My God

When are we getting the automated offside they use in the Champions League? This offside line drawing is what takes the most time with replays. Sort it out man.

Salah scores there if he goes with his right. That was a Miggy type attempt.

It's astonishing. Crazy amounts of money thrown away.

All the money in the world spent and so little to show for it. It's just so immensely satisfying. There's a deep rot that has set in at the club that will take some sorting. They keep looking for individuals to throw under the bus, but it's so much more than that.

Nope Can't even manage that anymore

Vitor Pereira showing Amorim how to do the new manager bounce

Perfect finish to the match.

They should have brought him early in the summer so he could get in players that make it work or looked for a manager better suited to the players they have. If they just keep losing games, it's going to look a crazy situation

Onana said, whatever you can do, I can do better! Conceding more than one goal direct from a corner within a week of each other is so crazy

Fernandes off

Wolves seem to be pressing more under this new manager. Suits their personnel.