KaKa
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Yeah ... to be honest it wasn't really a solution. I don't even want Bruce to have any success at this point.
I just think if we are going to insist on these crummy managers then just give them the players geared to their nonsense football.
I'm just sick of us getting young talents that are onto a hiding to nothing, and then we end up ruining any chances of them being anything while having to listen to how shite they are. It just keeps on happening.
Another that just came to mind was Luuk De Jong under Pardew. Wasn't it the same kind of talk? How he can't kick a football and can't finish
His brother under Pardew as well and it was the same kind of talk ... I mean my goodness. Just sick of it all.
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i'm not saying don't get another target man, we clearly will cause we've got PFM steve, i'm saying getting one is unlikely to improve things because the system is fucked
Ah, right. I see what your saying about Ki and the removal of Shelvey. Yeah, that's a valid point.
I'm coming more from the viewpoint that the manager is not even considering the way we play out and the players to improve that at all, because he is completely oblivious to it
And so knowing that, the only chance we have is to have a really powerful presence up top. Not because this is going to produce better football per se, but because it will allow for what is already terrible football to likely create more chances albeit not a whole lot more.
We are going to be a percentage football team essentially. In the mould of your Boltons, Stokes and Burnleys in recent times.
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yeah i understand what both of you are saying but it won't work
instead of ASM or Almiron carrying the ball 40 yards to find themselves & Joelinton isolated from the entire team you're hoping that a 40 yard hoof to Giroud would somehow lead to those three somehow not being isolated from the team...we'll still have the same setup and static CMs
the answer is not hoofball, the best we've looked all season is when ASM takes 2-3 players out creating space for others with his runs from deep, if you cut that avenue out we'll be even easier to defend against imo
I don't think anyone is saying we should hoof the ball. We are hoofing it regardless, and so might as well have someone that can at least occasionally get a hold of it.
I don't understand why you think that having a target man will prevent ASM from running from deep like he was doing with both Joelinton and Carroll playing the target man role pretty poorly anyway. How does a better target man then prevent him from doing this?
Just not understanding what you mean? And what kind of player you then think we'll need to sort things.
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i remain unconvinced that "our system", such as it is, is all about booting it up to a big man when ASM and Almiron are both on the pitch, if that's the road you go down i think you take away ASM's impact in particular
unless the argument is being made that we should be going to a giroud type up top and playing it more direct, but that's different i think
We defend so deep and when we win the ball back we are not good enough to play the ball out from those areas and so we usually play a long ball up to the striker to relieve pressure.
A strong target man that can get possession of the ball and drop it off to either ASM or Miggy would be what would help improve things, is what people are thinking.
Yes occasionally we'll be able to get the ball straight to ASM and Miggy to transition if those options are available, and so it would be a mixture of both.
At the moment though, if we can't find ASM or Miggy to advance the ball with their dribbling, we just end up punting it long for it to come straight back at us and the pressure builds and builds.
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Simple google of "Mitrovic missed chances" brings up actual articles with headlines like "Missed chances leave McClaren's side deeper in trouble," and results with sentences like "striker Aleksandar Mitrovic failing to make the most of his many chances..."
This f***er couldn't finish for us. I simply don't understand the constant, rampant revisionism.
His misses against Everton & Sunderland alone cost us valuable points that season.
Get the f*** outta here with this Mitro love-in.
You're straw-manning the f*** out of this to make an argument like, there's no love in and nobody is saying Mitrovic isn't appalling infront of goal. You're just talking relentless s****.Simple google of "Mitrovic missed chances" brings up actual articles with headlines like "Missed chances leave McClaren's side deeper in trouble," and results with sentences like "striker Aleksandar Mitrovic failing to make the most of his many chances..."
This f***er couldn't finish for us. I simply don't understand the constant, rampant revisionism.
His misses against Everton & Sunderland alone cost us valuable points that season.
Get the f*** outta here with this Mitro love-in.
Mitrovic was s**** all in all in his first season, he shouldn't have been our main striker and his lack of cutting edge cost us points. He still looked better than Joselu.
Stumbled on some comments in the Mitro thread
Can't believe the similarities to what is being said about yet another young striker we currently have that has not been put in a great position. This club is so rubbish at the minute man
Kaka kicking up old beefs in 2020. Bring it on, son!
Nah, man. Nothing personal. It wasn't about singling you out. I didn't even pay attention to who had said what!
Most people were saying the same sort of thing. If I could have pulled all the comments I would have. Just wanted some examples
I just thought it was really interesting that most people had decided that Mitrovic couldn't finish! And when you look at his record since leaving us both in league and international fixtures it clearly isn't true.
We are not setup to get the best out of strikers at the minute, just as has been the case previously, and we ended up jettisoning a good young striker that most would likely still have now in Mitrovic.
The manager has got to go, and I am really starting to drift more towards wanting him to get humiliated every game.
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Simple google of "Mitrovic missed chances" brings up actual articles with headlines like "Missed chances leave McClaren's side deeper in trouble," and results with sentences like "striker Aleksandar Mitrovic failing to make the most of his many chances..."
This fucker couldn't finish for us. I simply don't understand the constant, rampant revisionism.
His misses against Everton & Sunderland alone cost us valuable points that season.
Get the fuck outta here with this Mitro love-in.
You're straw-manning the fuck out of this to make an argument like, there's no love in and nobody is saying Mitrovic isn't appalling infront of goal. You're just talking relentless shite.Simple google of "Mitrovic missed chances" brings up actual articles with headlines like "Missed chances leave McClaren's side deeper in trouble," and results with sentences like "striker Aleksandar Mitrovic failing to make the most of his many chances..."
This fucker couldn't finish for us. I simply don't understand the constant, rampant revisionism.
His misses against Everton & Sunderland alone cost us valuable points that season.
Get the fuck outta here with this Mitro love-in.
Mitrovic was shite all in all in his first season, he shouldn't have been our main striker and his lack of cutting edge cost us points. He still looked better than Joselu.
Stumbled on some comments in the Mitro thread
Can't believe the similarities to what is being said about yet another young striker we currently have that has not been put in a great position. This club is so rubbish at the minute man
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Been to a couple of Leeds games with my pal who is big Leeds fan. They play well knock it around really nicely, work hard, and create tons of chances but wasteful in front of goal.
And despite that they have the best goal difference in the championship and are top of the league which is awesome.
Sure beats having no possession, not knocking it about nicely, not working hard, not creating chances and then castigating the strikers for wasting the rare chances they get.
Leeds are a pretty good side. Should get promoted. I like the manager. He loves the game. They do miss a few chances though. That's a fact
I hear you. Wasn't having a dig. Was just saying that due to how good the football is and the chances they create, it still allows them to score goals and win games even though they're not clinical.
Our fans however, bemoan our striker as being the worse footballer ever, and have decided he is to blame for us not scoring goals, while we do absolutely nothing to facilitate any type of decent opportunities consistently.
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Roberto do Matteo won a Champions League ffs! Fucking ludicrous argument
Yeah but that’s all he’s won.
You have to win trophies in multiple countries and win league titles to be a top manager.
So Alex Ferguson wasn’t a top manager then?
Please kind sir, stop encouraging that man.
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Been to a couple of Leeds games with my pal who is big Leeds fan. They play well knock it around really nicely, work hard, and create tons of chances but wasteful in front of goal.
And despite that they have the best goal difference in the championship and are top of the league which is awesome.
Sure beats having no possession, not knocking it about nicely, not working hard, not creating chances and then castigating the strikers for wasting the rare chances they get.
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Leeds play much nicer stuff than us.
They play nicer stuff than everybody bar City
Strange what having a top class manager does. Is bamford a quality striker?
How many trophies has he won?
Great coach but a very flawed character he’s massively underachieved as a manager considering his coaching abilities.
Tell you what I'd rather have him than Bruce, Moyes and Pearson.
Why has he not been considered by these types of Prem clubs?
Seems to produce excellent football with whatever players are made available to him.
So yeah, perhaps not a great option for the top clubs but my goodness Leeds are very fortunate to have him IMO.
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Just look at the numbers they are able to get forward without a striker that is even that accomplished in any area.
This is actually pissing me off watching it. We'd have come out and sat so deep as a given against Arsenal.
It's so incredibly annoying.
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Leeds play much nicer stuff than us.
They play nicer stuff than everybody bar City
Strange what having a top class manager does. Is bamford a quality striker?
It's startling man.I bet if they had Joelinton upfront it would suddenly cause the team to sit in their own box and only be able to pump the ball up to him from 50 yards away.
If only we could swap for Bamford to transform our team!
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Imagine paying compensation for Bruce when Bielsa was managing in the same league for goodness sake.
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i don't think a top class target man would make the slightest bit of difference personally, we'd still be lumping it up to a guy 50 yards or whatever from the rest of the team
better to add a couple that are able to transition the ball themselves on the ground supported by almiron, leave the rest of the team defending, and hope that there's enough goals in there
Honestly the target man doesn't even need to be class per se. Just needs to be strong with his hold up and be a good header of the ball in the box.
I think that improves the team overall and allows us to get chances and goals from multiple players.
don't we cross the ball less than anyone else in the division? and again, we have carroll who has played a fair bit and i don't think we've created a clear headed chance for him in the box in that time, not one that stands out to me
we don't have the players for a hold up game, our CMs aren't up to the cut and thrust of supporting play (shortstaff aside) on the regular so you'd be as well aiming for another ASM or two and hoping they can wreak enough havoc to make a difference as bruce isn't going to coach an improvement to the current setup
We have the least everything from an attacking standpoint because we spend so little time in the opposition's half. I think as a starting point we need someone to hold defenders off and lay the ball off simply to ASM, Miggy or Joelinton.
Once we get up the pitch I think we will at least get some decent crosses into the box occasionally and we need to capitalise. I can't see us using the ball well enough to create as many other types of chances.
That was my thinking around things.
just don't see how it works overall, take manyoo away as an example of us playing ok and getting the ball up early to the strikers and for once we had midfielders willing to get up in support of the attack; go a goal ahead and all looks good until the other team realise that there's a massive gap between the defence (that haven't moved forward with the midfielders) and the midfield who are trying to support the forwards
unless there's a fundamental change in the overall approach nothing matters - reminds me of that merson clip where he said about maguire for england along the lines of "you play CBs in a 3 when they're not good enough to play in a 2" and rafa knew that better than anyone about our CBs and overall team, either be cautious or get killed
we were good end of last season, as i've said, because we were playing through the middle and moving the defence up with the ball so the gap no longer existed and we could defend in the same way just higher up the pitch, this put us in much better areas when we were winning the ball back
steve bruce does not have the nous to see this, under him we'll always sit deep because he'll fear "getting caught in behind" more than anything else being a classic PFM
Well, we're never going to play through the middle with this clown, so that is a complete non starter.
Just seen the Glenn Murray link and that is the absolute kind of thing I was expecting. So humiliating.
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i don't think a top class target man would make the slightest bit of difference personally, we'd still be lumping it up to a guy 50 yards or whatever from the rest of the team
better to add a couple that are able to transition the ball themselves on the ground supported by almiron, leave the rest of the team defending, and hope that there's enough goals in there
Honestly the target man doesn't even need to be class per se. Just needs to be strong with his hold up and be a good header of the ball in the box.
I think that improves the team overall and allows us to get chances and goals from multiple players.
don't we cross the ball less than anyone else in the division? and again, we have carroll who has played a fair bit and i don't think we've created a clear headed chance for him in the box in that time, not one that stands out to me
we don't have the players for a hold up game, our CMs aren't up to the cut and thrust of supporting play (shortstaff aside) on the regular so you'd be as well aiming for another ASM or two and hoping they can wreak enough havoc to make a difference as bruce isn't going to coach an improvement to the current setup
We have the least everything from an attacking standpoint because we spend so little time in the opposition's half. I think as a starting point we need someone to hold defenders off and lay the ball off simply to ASM, Miggy or Joelinton.
Once we get up the pitch I think we will at least get some decent crosses into the box occasionally and we need to capitalise. I can't see us using the ball well enough to create as many other types of chances.
That was my thinking around things.
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i don't think a top class target man would make the slightest bit of difference personally, we'd still be lumping it up to a guy 50 yards or whatever from the rest of the team
better to add a couple that are able to transition the ball themselves on the ground supported by almiron, leave the rest of the team defending, and hope that there's enough goals in there
Honestly the target man doesn't even need to be class per se. Just needs to be strong with his hold up and be a good header of the ball in the box.
I think that improves the team overall and allows us to get chances and goals from multiple players.
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If we bring in a striker it better be someone that is incredibly strong at holding the ball up, which Batshuayi is not, because that is the only way we will manage to consistently get out of our half.
theoretically correct but we can't do that with carroll in the team tbph and he's as good as it gets up there when able to walk
what we probably need is another ASM who can do it all on his own so there's at least one of them potentially always fit
Carroll is spent though, as his mobility is so bad now. We basically need a younger version.
In addition another ASM type would definitely be smart too, absolutely. The difference with him out is embarrassing really. However, again they'd better get a player that is physically gifted and energetic. Don't go and start bringing in a Thauvin or Cabella.
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Rather sign Batshuayi than Giroud.
He's at a good age(26) and would score goals if he played continually. He's never been given a proper chance at Chelsea. Strong with good feet and I think he would fit in perfectly with ASM and Almiron.
If we bring in a striker it better be someone that is incredibly strong at holding the ball up, which Batshuayi is not, because that is the only way we will manage to consistently get out of our half.
In fact with Bruce, we better not bring any foreign players, because they will not be prepared for this bollocks man. Then the next thing you know the fans are on their backs.
Just keep it real and go and find some physical grafters from the championship that have potential to maybe get better. Tron always mentions Chris Wood, and that is the type we should go and look for from the lower leagues.
Do not give this dufus any technically gifted players that are used to being on teams that actually have the ball. We need to stop this nonsense of bringing these types of players when we have these PFM managers.
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I am genuinely disappointed by the quality of comments here. I won’t waste time to defend for Joelinton but if you are criticising how shit Bruce tactics is then you shouldn’t blame any players who could not perform.
Asking Joelinton to do Carroll’s job is just fucking insane. And the fact we are playing a tactic that requires Carroll to shine worths to be relegated.
Feel free.
I don't understand why it's so hard for people to see this, but just let them vent man.
It's so interesting because I look at Firmino, who Joelinton was compared to in Germany, and everyone loves him now, but he has grown into the excellent player he is. He also clearly benefits from a system that allows him to drop into space and create for both Mane and Salah. It's perfect for him.
Do you really think if Firmino had come to this ridiculous club he would be what he is now? Or anything even remotely close. Even if Liverpool gave us Firmino right now do you think he would be upfront alone in our system doing what he does for Liverpool?
The whole thing just makes me laugh. Let's wait and see if anyone will ever perform for this joke of a manager. I really hope we get Giroud like a lot of people are hoping, so I can have a good laugh when he's up front for us looking ridiculous too.
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Can only imagine what these Liverpool youths would have done to us.
If we go through I hope we get them next for the laughs.
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Garbage 2nd half from NUFC - Rochdale were well worthy of their draw and perhaps should have won. Another unwanted replay, which I of course won't be attending.
Joelinton needs a spell out of the side - he's been hung out to try by Bruce and it shows.
i hate bruce, the clueless cunt. but you cant blame him for that shitshow from joelinton today.
Yes, I absolutely can
The team went from creating chances every 2 mins to being pinned back by League 1 Rochdale after some senseless substitutions
Bruce is absolutely a far bigger problem than any player on this team.
sorry - i mean you can blame the shitshow of a game on bruce - but not the poor finishing from joelinton.
I will never excuse that finishing as it was comical
However, after the first half I was actually pretty confident he would score at least one today such was the ease with which we were completely opening them up.
Amazingly, Bruce still managed to find a way to mess this whole thing up. It was truly astonishing man. I still can't quite believe it
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Garbage 2nd half from NUFC - Rochdale were well worthy of their draw and perhaps should have won. Another unwanted replay, which I of course won't be attending.
Joelinton needs a spell out of the side - he's been hung out to try by Bruce and it shows.
i hate bruce, the clueless cunt. but you cant blame him for that shitshow from joelinton today.
Yes, I absolutely can
The team went from creating chances every 2 mins to being pinned back by League 1 Rochdale after some senseless substitutions
Bruce is absolutely a far bigger problem than any player on this team.
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Ryan Babel discussions apparently.
Looked good at Fulham last time around.
Not sure we'd put him in positions to be useful. I do like him though.