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Gerrard can't get forward like he used to though. I'm a Gerrard fan but this is correct. However he played the anchor man role sufficiently in Tuesday and I think he's more than good enough at prompting from deeper than he used to play.

Bit of a misleading thread title tbh.

That's just wrong. To be fair, Benteke aside, who would you want from their side? Apart from Paul Lambert. Doesn't really matter if we have better individual players, they play better as a team than we do. Exactly. Villa are a better side away from home when they can hit teams on the break. For that to happen, the opposition have to be attacking in numbers and we don't do that. Cannot see us losing. I know that sounds mental but it's just the way I'm feeling about the game... scoreless draw or 1-0 to us.

Weimann for who? Ben Arfa or Remy?

That's just wrong. To be fair, Benteke aside, who would you want from their side? Apart from Paul Lambert.

He will select Steven Taylor as he will be shit scared of Benteke's physicality.

If you ever get the chance to watch an old game with Hoddle playing, it's well worth it.Never saw a better distributor of the ball either long or short. Robson was different, he was mainly about engine and Gazza kind of combined the two .Proper greats.

He is the one I'd most compare Lampard with style wise, though Platt was a midfield penalty box predator. Phenomenal runs he used to make.

Lampard's goalscoring stats for Chelsea are amazing, but let us be honest, he buys more tickets to the raffle than anyone else. At international level you have to have more to your game than shooting from 30 yards every 5 minutes. Ok so that was an exaggeration of terms but the point stands . World class midfieders have to be able to take the game by the scruff of the neck and control the game. Pirlo does it at International level, and so did Gascoigne, Hoddle, Bryan Robson , Scholes and even Gerrard has at a very high level though obviously not for some time. Lampard never has for me.And certainly not for England.

Yep.

We actually weren't, tbf. Nope. One of the best players of the PL era and one of the best England has ever produced. Not a soul here has hated on him. It appears that way now, but the original comment was that Lampard is one of the best players England has ever produced, which he is. In an England shirt he's been very average in major competitions, he's certainly not one of England's best in that respect, although that pool is still pretty small. He is a very good club player but one of the best this country has ever produced? Never in a million years for me.

What was Scholes for England? Misused and wasted. He was only misused and wasted at Euro 2004.

What was Scholes for England? Excellent at France 98.And from then onward until he was shunted out left in 2004. Next.

We are debating England as it is the England thread. And Lampard at best has been average for England.

no you loon ...hes been conisistently ave while playing IN an england shirt. Admitedly hes had to play under various insane managers and their wacky teams selections/tactics. I guess youhave to compare him to scholes or gazza ? Perhaps his midfield role is ill defined in englands team vs chelsea....cos he seems to muddle through a fair few matches. Couldn't lace eithers boots. Good post that Womblemaster Yet Scholes was the one who was dropped from the side in favour of Lampard or shafted out on the left a fair few times? People seem to forget the stick Scholes got at international level because he regularly never transferred his form for Man Utd over to England. You're on drugs man . Clearly, by stating a fact that Lampard/Gerrard were both given a CM role over him? Was only 10 year ago...ish. Not saying Sven was correct in his decision but this was the case, unless i was on drugs back then too and just created this whole illusion? He wasn't dropped you goon, he retired. He was shunted left to accommodate Lampard and this was the reason wht ge retired. Sven obviously had more confidence in sticking Scholes there rather than Lampard. Capello did the same to Gerrard in 2010.

When did Lampard ever be the best player at a World Cup like Gazza was at Italia 90? Im starting to think that you are related to Frank such is the ridiculousness of your debate. If one 4 week tournament is the best you can throw up I don't think we can even call this a debate. As if that counts for well over a decade of consistent brilliance that's won medal after medal. We're talking about a midfielder who's the top scorer in the history of his club and the top midfield scorer in the history of his country, and you're trying to outweigh that with 5 games, and call the opposing argument ridiculous. You're being silly, man. I'm talking for England. Gazza played in 2 major tournaments and reached semi finals in both . In the WC qualifications in between, we didn't qualify. Missing for most of the campaign, Gascoigne . Coincidence? Of course not. We are talking about the highest level of football here

no you loon ...hes been conisistently ave while playing IN an england shirt. Admitedly hes had to play under various insane managers and their wacky teams selections/tactics. I guess youhave to compare him to scholes or gazza ? Perhaps his midfield role is ill defined in englands team vs chelsea....cos he seems to muddle through a fair few matches. Couldn't lace eithers boots. Good post that Womblemaster Yet Scholes was the one who was dropped from the side in favour of Lampard or shafted out on the left a fair few times? People seem to forget the stick Scholes got at international level because he regularly never transferred his form for Man Utd over to England. You're on drugs man .

A better footballer is one who contributes more to winning games. And how many times has Lampard done that for England? Not many I can think of

When did Lampard ever be the best player at a World Cup like Gazza was at Italia 90? Im starting to think that you are related to Frank such is the ridiculousness of your debate.

no you loon ...hes been conisistently ave while playing IN an england shirt. Admitedly hes had to play under various insane managers and their wacky teams selections/tactics. I guess youhave to compare him to scholes or gazza ? Perhaps his midfield role is ill defined in englands team vs chelsea....cos he seems to muddle through a fair few matches. Couldn't lace eithers boots. Good post that Womblemaster

I've never really been a Lampard fan but the last year or two, i've really come to appreciate what he has actually achieved, for club and country. For that reason i do think you would have to say he is one of the greats that we have ever produced. Is he fuck, he is part and parcel of an England side that has been cock for years . I've seen 10 to 15 better midfielders for England in my lifetime comfortably.

Dunno, don't care. Football isn't always about figures.

Nope. One of the best players of the PL era and one of the best England has ever produced. Not a soul here has hated on him. I'm sorry but Frank Lampard's not one of the best players England has ever produced. None of the players in the current squad bar Ashley Cole and maybe Wayne Rooney are in that category.

I would go with Gerrard, Lampard and Wilshere purely because they are the best 3 we have who are fit and available.

Jayums MaClayun to get 100 caps.